Well, seems like the picture I posted before isn't appearing, so I'll post it again:


a fanart is a fanart regardless of the quality ... if we talk about editions they would also have been with the ssj5 or ssj6 etc.Skar wrote: Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:42 pmSorry I don't understand what you mean. SSJ5 was an original fanart and what someone thought the form following SSJ4 could look like. I'm talking about the fanart that use an image of one of the Saiyand and only recolor the hair or clothes with MSPaint. They weren't considered predictions because no one believed they would actually happen. They wanted to make a new form for a fanfiction but couldn't draw a new one so they just recolored an existing form. It's a joke to older fans who have seen them many times on the internet before DBS.Tai Lung wrote: Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:00 pmthe majority was never like this if not in this way about huge designs that also appear on official products ... SSJ5

Sure but all of Toriyama's SSJ forms were blonde so no one predicted he would return one day and recolor the same forms. I'm not arguing quality because that comes down to personal preference. Whatever your opinion was of these forms when seeing them years ago in fanfiction likely won't change once you saw them appear in DBS. The evil Goku fanart only had one comment between 2009 and 2018 before someone noticed the similarities with Goku Black. To most of those people, it was funny how a fan coincidentally chose the same colors for an evil Goku as Toriyama over a decade earlier.Tai Lung wrote: Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:48 pmand for a series where the transformations were very far from being something like shinigami ... in fact they were blond hair
It would be the most consistent and that does not determine that the current transformations are bad for that reason if you understand what I say
Akira Toriyama, DBS vol.4 joint interview with ToyotaroAt his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.

Totally agree. I see why they went with Pink as Blue doesn't fit him at all.SupremeKai25 wrote: Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:28 pmGoku Black in Super Saiyan Blue is a sin. Delete that, it's hurting my eyes.
There's a good reason why it didn't appear as some things can't be unseen, this being one of them. Good thing I don't eat those beans.SSJgogeto wrote: Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:32 pmSeems like the picture I posted before isn't appearing, so I'll post it again:
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in the canon no .. but if there were versions of toei ... baby vegeta is one of the casesSkar wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:23 amSure but all of Toriyama's SSJ forms were blonde so no one predicted he would return one day and recolor the same forms. I'm not arguing quality because that comes down to personal preference. Whatever your opinion was of these forms when seeing them years ago in fanfiction likely won't change once you saw them appear in DBS. The evil Goku fanart only had one comment between 2009 and 2018 before someone noticed the similarities with Goku Black. To most of those people, it was funny how a fan coincidentally chose the same colors for an evil Goku as Toriyama over a decade earlier.Tai Lung wrote: Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:48 pmand for a series where the transformations were very far from being something like shinigami ... in fact they were blond hair
It would be the most consistent and that does not determine that the current transformations are bad for that reason if you understand what I say
A coincidence doesn't mean he was trying to make a prediction is all I'm saying. Having an evil character wear black is pretty common in fiction but Toriyama never did that with previous villains. Vegeta wasn't exactly pure when he first achieved SSJ and Toriyama designed Broly for the original movie so that kid had no reason to assume there would one day be an evil SSJ with a unique hair color. Broly had green tinted hair in his first movie I guess but had bright colored clothes though and no assumed the green was meant to symbolize evil or darkness.
Baby Vegeta was a possessed Saiyan and he had a different hair color. Are you saying Toriyama was inspired by that for SSJR? Sorry I don't follow what you mean with this example. The gray Buu was the manifestation of the evil in Buu and showed up in that color. Goku Black was a Kaioshin who stole Goku's body and decided to wear black maybe to hide his identity. That evil Goku fanart is just meant to be an evil version of Goku and black and a shade of red are the two most common colors for villains in fiction. Is there anything wrong with assuming this is a random piece of fanart and not a prediction?Tai Lung wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:21 pmin the canon no .. but if there were versions of toei ... baby vegeta is one of the cases
evil buu qualifies as evil and dark colored
not only that that had existed in the broly green hair franchise, baby white hair as a different formSkar wrote: Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:18 amBaby Vegeta was a possessed Saiyan and he had a different hair color. Are you saying Toriyama was inspired by that for SSJR? Sorry I don't follow what you mean with this example. The gray Buu was the manifestation of the evil in Buu and showed up in that color. Goku Black was a Kaioshin who stole Goku's body and decided to wear black maybe to hide his identity. That evil Goku fanart is just meant to be an evil version of Goku and black and a shade of red are the two most common colors for villains in fiction. Is there anything wrong with assuming this is a random piece of fanart and not a prediction?Tai Lung wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:21 pmin the canon no .. but if there were versions of toei ... baby vegeta is one of the cases
evil buu qualifies as evil and dark colored
I mentioned Broly but I don't understand the point you're getting at. Are you saying Toriyama was inspired by the different hair colors for LSSJ and Baby Vegeta for DBS and this kid predicted it? On his profile, he mentions he's 12 year old last time that was updated. His Deviantart gallery is filled with other palette swaps like many other young fans have made for their fanfics back then. There are many other Evil Goku fanart with a combination of black and red. There was nothing particularly unique about his Evil Goku at the time and it was only noticed after Toriyama happened to come up with a similar design.Tai Lung wrote: Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:58 pmnot only that that had existed in the broly green hair franchise, baby white hair as a different form
I don't understand what you said
as such no ... but he receives advice from the toei staffSkar wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:59 amI mentioned Broly but I don't understand the point you're getting at. Are you saying Toriyama was inspired by the different hair colors for LSSJ and Baby Vegeta for DBS and this kid predicted it?Tai Lung wrote: Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:58 pmnot only that that had existed in the broly green hair franchise, baby white hair as a different form
I don't understand what you said

People who look at out-of-context screenshots duct-taped together and say "this P R O V E S my opinion is OBJECTIVELY CORRECT #libsowned!" in the middle of mostly-unrelated discussions, with no proper arguments, aren't worth talking to. It's barely a step above "watch these 30 youtube videos and it'll all make sense".Shaddy wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:06 am If this thread has convinced me of anything, it's that there's no good discussion among people who speak more with image macros than language.

Akira Toriyama, DBS vol.4 joint interview with ToyotaroAt his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.

Man, I dunno how to tell you this but Trunks was already a Mary Sue. A very well executed one with loads of personality and interesting characterization but still a Mary Sue. Trunks is a time travelling twunk with purple hair and a sword, who is the son of the series villainous bad boy and the series most prominent woman. He was trained by one of the major character's of the series, comes from a post apocalytpic future, and is the sole survivor of the Dragon Team. That is the most Mary Sue backstory since Rose Potter.Kiyoharu wrote: Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:20 am I still can't believe that DBS was able to ruin Trunks, he was one of the best Dragon Ball characters and DBS turned him into a Gary Stu that took a Genkidama out of his ass.
His entire character is being a failure who constantly gets his ass kicked and is ultimately pointless in the story he was made for. He is, by far, one of the most non-sue characters in Dragon Ball and Super only continues this with his big moment literally being the reason his entire missions fails and gives the villain the win.It_Is_Ayna_You_Flips wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:07 pm
Man, I dunno how to tell you this but Trunks was already a Mary Sue. A very well executed one with loads of personality and interesting characterization but still a Mary Sue.
Kanassa wrote:- FoolsGil, Out of Context, 2017FoolsGil wrote:I hope Mark is dead. But chances are the dragonballs will bring his stupid ass back.