Preserving the Nicktoons Airings of DB Material

[Arteaga4K]

Crazy to think that nicktoons Kai is something nostalgic now. I was in high school during its run and I was one of those who wasn't a fan because I grew up mainly in the toonami era and wasn't a fan because of the edits (folks couldn't afford to buy any home release either so I was stuck with what was on tv) but the improved voices almost made up for it (I really hate watching a censored product)

[MasenkoHA]

I can’t believe people are advocating to preserved the censored version of a show.

[KPike87]

Crazy to think that nicktoons Kai is something nostalgic now. I was in high school during its run and I was one of those who wasn't a fan because I grew up mainly in the toonami era and wasn't a fan because of the edits (folks couldn't afford to buy any home release either so I was stuck with what was on tv) but the improved voices almost made up for it (I really hate watching a censored product)

Crazy to think that nicktoons Kai is something nostalgic now. I was in high school during its run and I was one of those who wasn't a fan because I grew up mainly in the toonami era and wasn't a fan because of the edits (folks couldn't afford to buy any home release either so I was stuck with what was on tv) but the improved voices almost made up for it (I really hate watching a censored product)

It generated many new Dragon Ball fans, and I think it's important to preserve for that. And personally, it's just something that holds a lot of nostalgia to me, it was one of my favorite shows growing up.

[MasenkoHA]

It generated many new Dragon Ball fans, and I think it's important to preserve for that. And personally, it's just something that holds a lot of nostalgia to me, it was one of my favorite shows growing up.

You can buy the dvds/blue rays. It’s the same show except the characters have blood on them instead of dirt and sometimes swear and use too harsh for Nicktoons language like jerk and idiot.

[KPike87]

I just came across a YouTuber named Nicktoons Kai. He uploads clips and bumpers from shows, primarily from the Nickelodeon stations and primarily from Dragon Ball, though he uploads other odds and ends.

In addition to having a lot of Kai material, including episode 98 (!!), but also material for the Bardock special, and A Hero's Legacy. Unless I'm really stupid, it doesn't seem you can send private messages anymore. I left a comment on his latest video asking if there's a way I can speak to him in private, but who knows if/when he'll get back to me.

He also had an old channel (Ultimate Sandwich Productions) which had a Fusion Reborn clip, which he said he also had.

You can buy the dvds/blue rays. It’s the same show except the characters have blood on them instead of dirt and sometimes swear and use too harsh for Nicktoons language like jerk and idiot.

I'm well aware. I have the whole show on Blu Ray (minus Part 4, still looking for the Yamamoto version for a decent price).

[Robo4900]

It generated many new Dragon Ball fans, and I think it's important to preserve for that. And personally, it's just something that holds a lot of nostalgia to me, it was one of my favorite shows growing up.

You can buy the dvds/blue rays. It’s the same show except the characters have blood on them instead of dirt and sometimes swear and use too harsh for Nicktoons language like jerk and idiot.

Not so. There are some parts of the censored version that are superior to the uncut version.

For one, in episode 1, Bulma says two entirely different responses to "Where's Yamcha?"
The uncut one is a bit clunky, and significantly less accurate to the original dialogue, whereas the edited version is a much closer translation. Neither contains anything vaguely profane, lewd, or violent.

Another is that in uncut, Sabat does the clunky "It's over eight thousandUGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" thing that he first did in the Ultimate Uncut redub, whereas in edited, he full-on screams "IT's OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAND!"
Both are weird, but the latter is signficiantly less clunky, and signficantly more natural. It sort of embraces the inherent goofiness of it all. Whereas the former is sort of embarrassed by it.

Plus, this dub was put together on top of Ocean's video track for their edited Kai dub. Its video contains interesting hints regarding Ocean's Kai dub; the tournament banner has the Japanese text painted over with English text reading "Tenkaichi Budoukai", for instance.

And arguably some of the edited replacements for the swearing in the uncut version comes off more natural.
This is 100% a YMMV thing (then again, most of this is, so whatever), but I always thought a good chunk of the profanity in Kai came off as feeling a bit forced and jarring. Dragon Ball is ultimately a kids' show (it's just that, like all the best kids' shows, it also has a strong appeal among adults too), so it feels odd to hear Goku say "You heartless bastard!"

And one could argue that edited Kai is better to show to kids, since it edits out some of the more lewd jokes, and some parents don't feel okay having their kids see violence that's too intense, or hear much swearing.

So... There's plenty of reasons the edited version has value as an alternate version.

[KPike87]

It generated many new Dragon Ball fans, and I think it's important to preserve for that. And personally, it's just something that holds a lot of nostalgia to me, it was one of my favorite shows growing up.

You can buy the dvds/blue rays. It’s the same show except the characters have blood on them instead of dirt and sometimes swear and use too harsh for Nicktoons language like jerk and idiot.

Not so. There are some parts of the censored version that are superior to the uncut version.

For one, in episode 1, Bulma says two entirely different responses to "Where's Yamcha?"
The uncut one is a bit clunky, and significantly less accurate to the original dialogue, whereas the edited version is a much closer translation. Neither contains anything vaguely profane, lewd, or violent.

Another is that in uncut, Sabat does the clunky "It's over eight thousandUGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" thing that he first did in the Ultimate Uncut redub, whereas in edited, he full-on screams "IT's OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAND!"
Both are weird, but the latter is signficiantly less clunky, and signficantly more natural. It sort of embraces the inherent goofiness of it all. Whereas the former is sort of embarrassed by it.

I actually noticed that, too. Some better ones on Nicktoons are when Krillin reacts to Nappa surviving Chiaotzu's blast, Kami telling Mr. Popo his life will come to an end soon, Krillin telling Master Roshi where he'll find everyone (their bodies), and Krillin telling Master Roshi he won't find Chiaotzu's body.

[Stridster]

Nicktoons kai also uses the localised attack names for the kienzan and taiyoken (with the exception of the first kienzan for some reason) the whole time, unlike the uncut version which uses the regular japanese names and then switches them back to the localised ones when the Artificial Human saga begins.

[KPike87]

I just realized, since the Special Beam Cannon is never seen going through Goku in the cut version, that actually fixes continuity from the uncut version, where it goes through him but only leaves him with a bruise.

[KPike87]

Here are some things I managed to dig up using Archive.org, a lot more Toonzai than Nicktoons sadly, but at least they can be preserved:

[KPike87]

So I was able to get some recordings thanks to the Archive.org, most of which are VHS. A lot more Toonzai than Nicktoons sadly, but I'm not sure if these episodes were otherwise preserved. I mentioned I found some of these in some posts before, but here are the links.

Toonzai Episode 21: https://archive.org/details/TapeTwelve (1:55:46)

Toonzai Episode 75: https://archive.org/details/Tape35 (2:37:26)

Toonzai Episode 72: https://archive.org/details/Tape86 (1:00:42; missing left audio channel)

Toonzai Episode 63: https://archive.org/details/FullVHSRecordingTape46 (4:11:05; missing left audio channel)

Nicktoons Episode 8: https://archive.org/details/Tape25 (3:43:52; missing left audio channel)

These are DVR recordings, with varying levels of audio. Toonzai episodes 90, 91, 92 (partial), 94 95, 98 (!!), and 53. https://archive.org/details/4KidsKaiPar ... WMV+V9.wmv
Links to parts 2 and 3 are below the player. All of the episodes in this message use the Kikuchi score. Sadly, I had no such luck in finding GT using this site. I do have another idea for that show, though. Haven't tried searching for the movies, but maybe they're here but not listed as Nick specific?

[KPike87]

Bumping thread, new info (kinda).

It's well known Nick had a lot of the movies, the two TV specials and episode 98 on their site. There are archives to most if not all of them, but the TV Specials and episode 98 are special as they seem to be the only ones that can load the player, at least from what I can get to work.

Trunks Special: https://web.archive.org/web/20130307220 ... isode.html
(Oddly, the thumbnail on the site uses a screenshot from episode 98. I guess that's less weird than using GT Trunks in the TV promo)

Bardock Special: https://web.archive.org/web/20130717103 ... isode.html

Episode 98: https://web.archive.org/web/20130621204 ... -pet1.html

I have absolutely no idea if the player loading means the video itself can somehow be recovered. I managed to recover deleted YT videos that were archived by using inspect, clicking network, refreshing and finding the video file to open in a new tab to download or record it, but this was years ago, and I'm not sure if something similar could be replicated here.

One last thing. I didn't watch GT on Nicktoons because I was watching the Buu sagas on the orange bricks at that point, but I found a screenshot on the Nick website, which shows deep red on cuts we oh so missed with Kai on the channel. I know the movies were the same way, but still. https://imgur.com/ro4gx7e

[Robo4900]

I have absolutely no idea if the player loading means the video itself can somehow be recovered. I managed to recover deleted YT videos that were archived by using inspect, clicking network, refreshing and finding the video file to open in a new tab to download or record it, but this was years ago, and I'm not sure if something similar could be replicated here.

The videos were hosted on a server that would have purged the files long ago.

I did check, actually, messing around with inspect element type stuff, but the site is requesting files that simply don't exist.

[Aim]

It's kind of hard to believe it's been a decade since Kai started airing on Nicktoons. It's what got me and countless other kids at the time into the fandom. While generally not remembered too fondly now due to the censoring, they're still unique versions of Kai, GT, and some of the movies.

This is a great example of debunking the bullshit people spew when they say "They didn't stay faithful to the original because the DUBISMS were so ingrained in the fandom!". Imagine how much better it would be if they did things right from the start.

[ArmenianPepsi]

If I understand correctly, didn't Toonzai Kai and Nicktoons Kai share the same edited dub? With Nicktoons doing a little less editing to the visuals? (So no blue Popo, no sparkly deaths for Krillin and Nappa, no total removal of blood, etc)

[MasenkoHA]

If I understand correctly, didn't Toonzai Kai and Nicktoons Kai share the same edited dub? With Nicktoons doing a little less editing to the visuals? (So no blue Popo, no sparkly deaths for Krillin and Nappa, no total removal of blood, etc)

I guess I’m confused by the question? The Kidswb/CW/Toonzai/4kids dub was more visually edited and also had had some further dialog changes from even the Nicktoons version like the groaning dead crap and I think some language was deemed to harsh like iirc when Piccolo is explaining Goku’s death to Gohan in the Nicktoons he just said “your daddy didn’t make it” in the CW version he says something like “your dad gave himself” I think Nicktoons also used the word destroy a few times and that was too much for the CW

[SuperSaiyaManZ94]

If I understand correctly, didn't Toonzai Kai and Nicktoons Kai share the same edited dub? With Nicktoons doing a little less editing to the visuals? (So no blue Popo, no sparkly deaths for Krillin and Nappa, no total removal of blood, etc)

Actually, the CW/Toonzai version is more edited visually as MasenkoHa noted above than Nicktoons' broadcast with things like the aforementioned infamous neon blue Mr. Popo, sparkly glittery deaths of certain characters, even further dialogue editing and altering of halos on dead characters to nondescript round orbs, The Nicktoons run had none of these things, it was mostly small line changes to tone down direct death references to some extent, cutting scenes, putting flashes over impact of punches to the face and editing blood to make it less apparent on character's faces.

[Hellspawn28]

I can’t believe people are advocating to preserved the censored version of a show.

You have people that want the edited episodes because they want to show their kids them. Honestly, uncut DBZ is not much different than your typical PG-13 movie with the violence and swearing.

[MasenkoHA]

I can’t believe people are advocating to preserved the censored version of a show.

You have people that want the edited episodes because they want to show their kids them. Honestly, uncut DBZ is not much different than your typical PG-13 movie with the violence and swearing.

I feel like uncut DBZ is pretty tame. I can understand the issues with the sexual content (most of which was in early Dragon Ball and toned down in the English dub) I but the violence is all pretty much in the realm of fantasy violence in DBZ and I feel like it was mostly children consuming the uncut tapes from 2000-2003

[ArmenianPepsi]

I can’t believe people are advocating to preserved the censored version of a show.

I don't really see why we shouldn't. Obviously nobody should be watching it in place of uncut Kai except out of nostalgia, but it would be nice to have decent quality versions to have for preservation's sake.