What would happen if a Human had gotten Ultra Instinct "Omen"?

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Re: What would happen if a Human had gotten Ultra Instinct "Omen"?

Post by Peach » Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:38 am

I think the form would kill them, just like it almost killed Goku the last time.

It's said the form emits heat. Maybe only Saiyan bodies can handle techniques like Ultra Instinct and Kaio-Ken

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Re: What would happen if a Human had gotten Ultra Instinct "Omen"?

Post by miguelnuva1 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:09 am

Peach wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:38 am I think the form would kill them, just like it almost killed Goku the last time.

It's said the form emits heat. Maybe only Saiyan bodies can handle techniques like Ultra Instinct and Kaio-Ken
Omen is something created by the saiyan body it seems.

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Re: What would happen if a Human had gotten Ultra Instinct "Omen"?

Post by It_Is_Ayna_You_Flips » Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:14 am

Peach wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:38 am I think the form would kill them, just like it almost killed Goku the last time.

It's said the form emits heat. Maybe only Saiyan bodies can handle techniques like Ultra Instinct and Kaio-Ken
Kaio-ken was invented by a god so it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for it to be a Saiyan only move. Then again Saiyans get so many handjobs on the regular that I'm sure it'll soon be revealed that they're all secretly Kais who were cast out of heaven or something.
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Re: What would happen if a Human had gotten Ultra Instinct "Omen"?

Post by SupremeKai25 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:39 am

It_Is_Ayna_You_Flips wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:14 am
Peach wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:38 am I think the form would kill them, just like it almost killed Goku the last time.

It's said the form emits heat. Maybe only Saiyan bodies can handle techniques like Ultra Instinct and Kaio-Ken
Kaio-ken was invented by a god so it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for it to be a Saiyan only move. Then again Saiyans get so many handjobs on the regular that I'm sure it'll soon be revealed that they're all secretly Kais who were cast out of heaven or something.
If I am not mistaken we have also never seen King Kai use that technique successfully. Funny how a technique invented by a Kai is never actually used on-screen by a Kai. They had the chance to do that with Zamasu (a Kai who had Saiyan cells, that's the perfect match) and they didn't do that. It just screams bias for Saiyans.
At his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
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Re: What would happen if a Human had gotten Ultra Instinct "Omen"?

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:13 am

SupremeKai25 wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:39 am
It_Is_Ayna_You_Flips wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:14 am
Peach wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:38 am I think the form would kill them, just like it almost killed Goku the last time.

It's said the form emits heat. Maybe only Saiyan bodies can handle techniques like Ultra Instinct and Kaio-Ken
Kaio-ken was invented by a god so it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for it to be a Saiyan only move. Then again Saiyans get so many handjobs on the regular that I'm sure it'll soon be revealed that they're all secretly Kais who were cast out of heaven or something.
If I am not mistaken we have also never seen King Kai use that technique successfully. Funny how a technique invented by a Kai is never actually used on-screen by a Kai. They had the chance to do that with Zamasu (a Kai who had Saiyan cells, that's the perfect match) and they didn't do that. It just screams bias for Saiyans.
Who would he have learned it from?
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Re: What would happen if a Human had gotten Ultra Instinct "Omen"?

Post by SupremeKai25 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:28 am

Polyphase Avatron wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:13 am
SupremeKai25 wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:39 am
It_Is_Ayna_You_Flips wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:14 am

Kaio-ken was invented by a god so it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for it to be a Saiyan only move. Then again Saiyans get so many handjobs on the regular that I'm sure it'll soon be revealed that they're all secretly Kais who were cast out of heaven or something.
If I am not mistaken we have also never seen King Kai use that technique successfully. Funny how a technique invented by a Kai is never actually used on-screen by a Kai. They had the chance to do that with Zamasu (a Kai who had Saiyan cells, that's the perfect match) and they didn't do that. It just screams bias for Saiyans.
Who would he have learned it from?
He learned Kamehameha and Instant Transmission just by adapting to Goku's body. It would have been interesting to see someone else other than Goku use Kaio-ken, and it would've been ironic in this case, because Zamasu used to be North Kai too.
At his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
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Re: What would happen if a Human had gotten Ultra Instinct "Omen"?

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:49 pm

SupremeKai25 wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:28 am
Polyphase Avatron wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:13 am
SupremeKai25 wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:39 am

If I am not mistaken we have also never seen King Kai use that technique successfully. Funny how a technique invented by a Kai is never actually used on-screen by a Kai. They had the chance to do that with Zamasu (a Kai who had Saiyan cells, that's the perfect match) and they didn't do that. It just screams bias for Saiyans.
Who would he have learned it from?
He learned Kamehameha and Instant Transmission just by adapting to Goku's body. It would have been interesting to see someone else other than Goku use Kaio-ken, and it would've been ironic in this case, because Zamasu used to be North Kai too.
I thought he learned those by watching Goku use them in the tournament against Hit. Then again, he could also have potentially learned Kaio-Ken that way. :think:
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Re: What would happen if a Human had gotten Ultra Instinct "Omen"?

Post by SupremeKai25 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:32 pm

Polyphase Avatron wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:49 pm
SupremeKai25 wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:28 am
Polyphase Avatron wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:13 am

Who would he have learned it from?
He learned Kamehameha and Instant Transmission just by adapting to Goku's body. It would have been interesting to see someone else other than Goku use Kaio-ken, and it would've been ironic in this case, because Zamasu used to be North Kai too.
I thought he learned those by watching Goku use them in the tournament against Hit. Then again, he could also have potentially learned Kaio-Ken that way. :think:
Indeed, he also saw Kaio-ken in the video. Since this was a technique invented by a Kai, it's sad that not a single Kai ever uses it.
At his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
Akira Toriyama, DBS vol.4 joint interview with Toyotaro

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Re: What would happen if a Human had gotten Ultra Instinct "Omen"?

Post by Lionel » Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:57 pm

Most Shinjin seem to be inclined towards magic and psychic abilities. Kaioken is primarily a power amplification technique. I think if anyone from their species was going to use it then it would have been Merged Zamasu thanks to the knowledge of it gleaned from Goku Black.

Ultra Instinct needs to be elaborated on. Is the power enhancement just a product of Saiyan physiology reacting to it or can anyone improve in power as a result of accessing it? You would think the inspired "Mushin" concept of it would permit an increase in general since ki partly has to do with the mind. Make some extrapolation to have it be power increasing through that logic somehow.

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Re: What would happen if a Human had gotten Ultra Instinct "Omen"?

Post by ZesaInfiniteX » Tue May 12, 2020 11:45 am

Uh no. You can shut up and humans can do it, saiyans don’t have a monopoly over power ups.

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