SSJ3 Gotenks and SSJ3 Goku

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:54 pm

He never says that Kid Buu is the most powerful. He says that it is the original form and he is the most dangerous. Why is he the most dangerous? Because he is psychotic and doesn't think at all. As his first act, he blew up the whole planet. Super Buu never did that, doesn't mean he couldn't, but Super Buu had a brain. You may be stronger than a cat, but when you're up against a vicious cat who comes at you without even thinking, you're going to have a very hard time. Kid Buu was primitive, he didn't care about getting hurt, he didn't care about anything. All he wanted to do was kill. There was no toying around with him, no giving spare time.

Super 17 · Post by **Super 17** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:07 pm

Well Super Buu is weaker because he had the Fat Buu inside him which had the Grand Kaioshin, thus making weaker because of the good in him. When Super Buu and Veggeto fought, he was not compared to him. So scratch that off, I think Goku SSJ3 would give the same fight as he did with Kid Buu, but i'm going to sat Kid Buu is stronger.

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:07 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Kid Trunks wrote:And since Fat Buu and Super Buu are both the same combinations (both are Fat Buu + Evil) then shouldn't their power be equal? Otherwise, where did all the additional power come from when they became Super Buu?
The same place all the power came from when Kami and Piccolo refused.

But that makes more sense for Kami and Piccolo than it does for the Buu's. We don't know how strong Kami was in his original form (although we don't expect him to be particularly strong) so its easier to accept that he would give Piccolo such a big boost. But Fat Buu on the other hand was one being, then split in two and joined back together in about 5 minutes, and now he suddenly has much more power? That doesn't make sense. Fat Buu's power is equal to Super Buu's. The difference being that Super Buu is better equipped to unleash that power; he is evil and nolonger innocent and naive, and is physically better able for fighting.

So in my opinion its like this:
1.Gohan Buu
2.Gotenks Buu
3.Piccolo Buu
4 & 5.Super Buu = Fat Majin Buu

As regards with evil skinny Buu and Kid Buu, I'm not sure which of the two are stronger than each other. But I beleive both are weaker than the Buu's I listed above. The weakest version of Buu is the Fat Buu that splits from the evil skinny Buu.
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Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:08 pm

Super 17 wrote:
Rocketman wrote:
Super 17 wrote:Kid Buu is definetely not weaker than both of them. Kid Buu is the strongest out of all.
Goku was scared to fight Super Buu without fusing with Vegeta.

Goku crushes the Potara himself when given the chance to fight Kid Buu.

Super Buu is stronger.
Nope still wrong. He crushed the potara because he saw that buu was in his original form ( which is the strongest of all).

Oh god. Oh god. Make it stop. Make it stooooooooooooop.

*calms down*

Ok! Time to explain things. The levels of strength go Fat Buu - Kid Buu - Super Buu - Super Buu 1.5 - Super Buu 2 - Super Buu 3. Kid Buu is not the strongest and is no where near the strongest. SSJ3 Goku would have been oblitered by Super Buu who didn't stand a chance against Gohan who didn't stand a chance against Super Buu 2. And Super Buu 3 outright states that he is the strongest form of Buu, ever. And Kid Buu came first so Super Buu 3 would know how much power Kid Buu has.

EDIT

Well Super Buu is weaker because he had the Fat Buu inside him which had the Grand Kaioshin, thus making weaker because of the good in him.

No. The Dai Kaioshin restrained Fat Buu's power. But that was the entire point of Super Buu. The Evil took over control thus the restraint was now gone.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:15 pm

No, I think that the original Super Buu is weaker than Kid Buu.

Look, it's true, Daikioh (can you believe that's his dub name? O_O) restrained his power. But Gotenks, Piccolo, and Gohan more than crossed that boundary.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:35 pm

Super 17 wrote:Nope still wrong. He crushed the potara because he saw that buu was in his original form ( which is the strongest of all).

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What? Why the fuck would Goku not fuse if Kid Buu was the strongest form?

Super 17 · Post by **Super 17** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:49 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Super 17 wrote:Nope still wrong. He crushed the potara because he saw that buu was in his original form ( which is the strongest of all).
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What? Why the fuck would Goku not fuse if Kid Buu was the strongest form?

He didn't fuse because he wanted to fight Kid Buu with his own strenght because he saw Kid Buu was the original form.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:51 pm

Super 17 wrote:He didn't fuse because he wanted to fight Kid Buu with kis own strenght because he saw Kid Buu was the original form.

But he was terrified of fighting Super Buu.

Super 17 · Post by **Super 17** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:09 pm

Yeah I know.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:30 pm

Super 17 wrote:Yeah I know.

So, why would Goku be scared of Super Buu, but "lolsweet" about Kid Buu, if Kid Buu is stronger?

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:57 pm

Anybody remember my question?

Super 17 · Post by **Super 17** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:11 pm

Raki wrote:Anybody remember my question?

Yes. I said Goku SSJ3 is stronger.

Rocketman wrote:So, why would Goku be scared of Super Buu, but "lolsweet" about Kid Buu, if Kid Buu is stronger?

Goku was scared at that time because he was outmatched and wanted to kill him already. He saw that he absorb and was cheating , so he decided to fuse. Now when he finally sees Majin Buu in his original form and seeing how he and Vegeta are not fused anymore, he is now more concern to fight him with his own strenght because he wants to prove his his pride as saiyan and he also sees that buu is not absorbing anyone anymore.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:24 pm

Super 17 wrote: Goku was scared at that time becuase he was outmatched and wanted to kill him already. He saw that he absorb and was cheating , so he decided to fuse. Now when he finally sees Majin Buu in his original form and seeing how he and Vegeta are not fused anymore, he is now more concern to fight him with his own strenght because he wants to prove his his pride as saiyan and he also sees that buu is not absorbing anyone anymore.

That's...stupid. Very stupid. Goku has never had Saiyan pride, and he should know his own strength will fail if Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu.

Super 17 · Post by **Super 17** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:33 pm

Rocketman wrote:That's...stupid. Very stupid. Goku has never had Saiyan pride, and he should know his own strength will fail if Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu.

Then why didn't he fuse then. Vegeta told him it's all about using your own strenght and Goku finally breaks the potara and says Vegeta is right and he says "and besides Buu in his original form, so it wouldn't be fair".

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:33 pm

Super 17 wrote:
Raki wrote:Anybody remember my question?
Yes. I said Goku SSJ3 is stronger.

Rocketman wrote:So, why would Goku be scared of Super Buu, but "lolsweet" about Kid Buu, if Kid Buu is stronger?

Goku was scared at that time becuase he was outmatched and wanted to kill him already. He saw that he absorb and was cheating , so he decided to fuse. Now when he finally sees Majin Buu in his original form and seeing how he and Vegeta are not fused anymore, he is now more concern to fight him with his own strenght because he wants to prove his his pride as saiyan and he also sees that buu is not absorbing anyone anymore.

That, in red, is the primary reason he fights Buu as a SSJ3, because Kid Buu is now weaker than him because he hasn't absorbed anyone.

Super 17 · Post by **Super 17** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:36 pm

Vegeta told him it's all about using your own strenght and Goku finally breaks the potara and says Vegeta is right and he says "and besides Buu in his original form, so it wouldn't be fair". That's why he didn't want to fuse, he wanted fight him one on one. Kid Buu ended up being stronger than him, he destroyed him still and had to make big genki dama to kill him.

Snail · Post by **Snail** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:36 pm

Raki wrote:Anybody remember my question?

Didn't you read Kaboom's answer on the first page? As well as the brief description mentioning 'why'.

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:46 pm

The evidence is overwhelming. Super Buu is stronger than SSJ3 Goku, SSJ3 Goku is stronger than Kid Buu (by Goku's own admission), therefore Super Buu is stronger than Kid Buu. Right?

And Goku wouldn't have said all that "fight Buu alone" crap if Buu wasn't weak enough so he would have a chance at beating him. What sense would it make to fight the most powerful form of Buu unfused?

We even saw Super Buu beat SSJ Gotenks easily, who is on a par with (or stronger than) SSJ3 Goku.

Super 17 · Post by **Super 17** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:54 pm

Kid Trunks wrote:The evidence is overwhelming. Super Buu is stronger than SSJ3 Goku, SSJ3 Goku is stronger than Kid Buu (by Goku's own admission), therefore Super Buu is stronger than Kid Buu. Right?

And Goku wouldn't have said all that "fight Buu alone" crap if Buu wasn't weak enough so he would have a chance at beating him. What sense would it make to fight the most powerful form of Buu unfused?

We even saw Super Buu beat SSJ Gotenks easily, who is on a par with (or stronger than) SSJ3 Goku.

SSJ3 is not stronger than Kid Buu, Goku got destroyed and played with. He ended up beating him by the genki dama which took Vegeta and Fat Buu to fight Kid Buu. So to answer you, SSJ3 is not stronger than Kid buu.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:09 pm

Super 17 wrote:
Rocketman wrote:Kid Buu is weaker than Super Buu, and Fat Buu (who Goku was referring to in that line) is weaker than both.
Kid Buu is definetely not weaker than both of them. Kid Buu is the strongest out of all.

Yep. Bejita, Higashi no Kaiōshin, Rō Kaiōshin, and Son Goku all say (at different points during the kid Buu saga) that Kid Buu is stronger than all other Buu's since he's the original. It's kinda like Piccolo Daimaō and Kami-sama but more powerful.