Why isn't Piccolo as strong or even stronger than Android 17 currently is?
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Re: Why isn't Piccolo as strong or even stronger than Android 17 currently is?
well piccolo is currently superior to SSB are all happy now?
Re: Why isn't Piccolo as strong or even stronger than Android 17 currently is?
Because Dragon Ball Super is shit.
In DBS Trunks became stronger than Vegetto because power of love.
No Power-Up in DBS makes sense, Android 17 is a great example of that.
In DBS Trunks became stronger than Vegetto because power of love.
No Power-Up in DBS makes sense, Android 17 is a great example of that.
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I agree with you completely. The moment Kaioken x20 SSJB Goku was still weaker than Beerus was the moment logical power scaling went out the window entirely.
There is no logical reason for anything anymore. Piccolo could've went from SSJ2 level to SSJB level in the space of 2 panels but who cares anymore.
But to be fair, the manga's power scaling is much more consistent than the anime's.
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and that's false because piccolo is stronger than ssb currently in mangaThe Monkey King wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:55 pmI agree with you completely. The moment Kaioken x20 SSJB Goku was still weaker than Beerus was the moment logical power scaling went out the window entirely.
There is no logical reason for anything anymore. Piccolo could've went from SSJ2 level to SSJB level in the space of 2 panels but who cares anymore.
But to be fair, the manga's power scaling is much more consistent than the anime's.
the kaioken does not have to be illogical ... frieza was about 20 times stronger than "goku base" in the manga and so the fight worked well because he was contained
and the other user is wrong because vegito is stronger than trunks rage
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Since the Resurrection of F arc was obvious that Dragon Ball Super is trash.The Monkey King wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:55 pmI agree with you completely. The moment Kaioken x20 SSJB Goku was still weaker than Beerus was the moment logical power scaling went out the window entirely.
Tagoma went in 4 months from having the same strength as Dodoria to being stronger than Piccolo.
Krillin and Roshi Surviving the attack of a guy who is stronger than Gohan and Piccolo.
Freeza's increase in 4 months was absurd, but that was even worse.
Trunks is weaker than Base Black.
Trunks fighting Rosé Black.
Why? Because nothing on DBS makes sense.
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Where is suggested Piccolo is stronger than SSB in the manga right now?Tai Lung wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:08 pm and that's false because piccolo is stronger than ssb currently in manga
the kaioken does not have to be illogical ... frieza was about 20 times stronger than "goku base" in the manga and so the fight worked well because he was contained
and the other user is wrong because vegito is stronger than trunks rage
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Gohan and piccolo fighting together against sagambo (Power up) using all their power is enough. that taking into account the enormous increase that gohan in the Top (manga), piccolo can now feel the energy of the gods and even mentions that goku has surpassed them again giving the understanding that he had already reached that level etc etcDragon Wukong wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:22 pmWhere is suggested Piccolo is stronger than SSB in the manga right now?Tai Lung wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:08 pm and that's false because piccolo is stronger than ssb currently in manga
the kaioken does not have to be illogical ... frieza was about 20 times stronger than "goku base" in the manga and so the fight worked well because he was contained
and the other user is wrong because vegito is stronger than trunks rage
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Yes Piccolo teamed up with Gohan, but Piccolo fails to do anything to Saganbo. I fail to see how the past two chapters showed him to be at SSB's level. And at no point is it suggested he can sense god ki, quite the opposite in the latest chapter in fact. Piccolo fails to sense Goku's presence and it's all but stated that it's because he's using Ultra Instinct.Tai Lung wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:29 pm Gohan and piccolo fighting together against sagambo (Power up) using all their power is enough. that taking into account the enormous increase that gohan in the Top (manga), piccolo can now feel the energy of the gods and even mentions that goku has surpassed them again giving the understanding that he had already reached that level etc etc
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I’m not sure about it, but Piccolo hanging in there against Saganbo while 17 is left aside might be a hint that he powered-up to that SSBlue level of Goku and Vegeta in the Jiren Arc, if not surpassed it, which helps to understand why he assumes SSBlue Goku got stronger.
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Anyway, keeping up with Gohan is enough as Goku and Piccolo did against Raditz.again gohan is not holding back he is using all his powerDragon Wukong wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:57 pmYes Piccolo teamed up with Gohan, but Piccolo fails to do anything to Saganbo. I fail to see how the past two chapters showed him to be at SSB's level. And at no point is it suggested he can sense god ki, quite the opposite in the latest chapter in fact. Piccolo fails to sense Goku's presence and it's all but stated that it's because he's using Ultra Instinct.Tai Lung wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:29 pm Gohan and piccolo fighting together against sagambo (Power up) using all their power is enough. that taking into account the enormous increase that gohan in the Top (manga), piccolo can now feel the energy of the gods and even mentions that goku has surpassed them again giving the understanding that he had already reached that level etc etc
at first everyone is fighting ... then saganbo focuses on the strongest ... piccolo and gohan
after 17 and 18 they are observing because they cannot keep up but piccolo and gohan can do
it is not said directly but it is what is observed
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I agree, I doubt Piccolo has reached that level.Dragon Wukong wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:57 pm I fail to see how the past two chapters showed him to be at SSB's level.
Showing teamwork between characters with very distant levels is one of the usual nonsense in Dragon Ball Super.
Krillin has the same level as Android 18 for teaming up with her.
Android 18 has the same level as Android 17 for teaming up with him.
Android 17 has the same level as SSGSS Evo. Vegeta for teaming up with him.
conclusion.
Krillin has the same level as SSGSS Evo. Vegeta...
The teamwork scenes are just absurd fanservice.
If we used those scenes to say what level the characters have, all Z-warriors would have the same strength in DBS.
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Piccolo is just serving a supporting role in the fight in a classic team-up. At no point during this fight is it implied Piccolo is anywhere near Gohan's strength just for fighting alongside him.
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I think a better question would be, why is 17 anywhere near his current level ? How on earth did he go from being equal to Cell arc Piccolo to now being on Blue's level, which is trillions of times stronger ? Then again, Krilin can somehow hold his own for a bit against Blue Goku, so I guess they've done worse.
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androids and jaco are secondary ...Dragon Wukong wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:23 amPiccolo is just serving a supporting role in the fight in a classic team-up. At no point during this fight is it implied Piccolo is anywhere near Gohan's strength just for fighting alongside him.
gohan and piccolo are starring in a team fight and they are fighting at the same level .. another thing is that piccolo was lying on the ground while gohan fights as happened with tagoma
they have to say? because I do not see that they have done it with 17 and all already assume their power
FillerMatches Malone wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:32 am I think a better question would be, why is 17 anywhere near his current level ? How on earth did he go from being equal to Cell arc Piccolo to now being on Blue's level, which is trillions of times stronger ? Then again, Krilin can somehow hold his own for a bit against Blue Goku, so I guess they've done worse.
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That is not the function of the filler, as I said before, when a script adapts to an anime format, the material has to be extended ... especially when you only have a "script" for chapters of about 30 minutes and to it doesn't feel rushed or cut much of this can be to illustrate some event .. roshi explaining the origin of the dragon balls doesn't make sense but it works to give a message or a narrative mediaMatches Malone wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:30 amFiller is used to buy time for an anime to not catch up to the manga, something Super wasn't doing, so calling it filler doesn't excuse it.
no different to script, manga or visual novel the content may be finished but when changing to the animated medium much can change
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The more time passes, the more I realize how many of these huge powerscaling problems super had. I never was much into power levels, but when analyzing the whole series now that it's been over for 2 years, so many things don't make sense, it's unreal. Some characters can train non stop for years, and still be wimps, some characters may become as strong as the latest Saiyan transformations just by fucking around for a few months, or fighting normal humans on an island. Like, whaaaat
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the message was krillin he will not give up even if he faces powerful enemies even if this means his defeat but not that he will be able to defeat them, krillin did not beat gokuMatches Malone wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:55 pmFair enough, but did Goku have to go Blue of all things to fight Krillin ? it creates plot holes for no reason.
if it makes you feel better ... the writers have clearly said that goku is contained in those battles and that is clear when he is defeated by a blow of frost
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If anything it just shows how incompetent they are. Goku in his base form is leagues ahead of Krillin, there was never a need for him to transform into anything, much less his Blue form. What's next, is he and Vegeta going to go Blue just to play a game of baseball... Logically speaking, no amount of holding back would prevent Krillin from being turned into a stain on the ground. I'm by no means a power level person, but even I expect some form of logic to be followed.