Should the whole god / angel thing continue? (DBS manga spoilers)

[Psajdak]

Even though gods were around since original 80s, and 90s, appearance of Beerus, and Whis, Zamasu, and other gods, and angel, as well as Goku and Vegeta acquiring god ki, and godly forms, it all in a way renewed franchise.

But, well, have you gotten bored of those, and would you like, when / if story continues past Moro arc, that we see something else?

To be honest, I am following Moro arc myself, and it is fine, but really, the only thing that I kind of actually care about is to see what will Vegeta end up with when he comes back from Yardrat.

A lot of people are happy for Goku showing that he (at least) mastered that first UI form, but to for me, while I like UI, I sort of had enough of it in ToP, and wasn't really missing it in DBS: Broly movie.

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Also, there is some talk about wishing for Coola to also become canon, which I personally wouldn't mind; still, is it necessary for franchise to involve someone, or something Freeza related "so soon".

[Matches Malone]

Have you gotten bored of those, and would you like that we see something else?

A lot of people are happy for Goku showing that he (at least) mastered that first UI form, but to for me, I sort of had enough of it in ToP.

There is some talk about wishing for Coola to also become canon.

is it necessary for franchise to involve someone, or something Freeza related "so soon".

I was bored of them after BOG. Beerus and Whis shouldn't be series regulars, it kills whatever tension there is. SsjG should've been the only new form introduced, and it should've only been used every now and then. Power levels were already mess before, these new forms have thrown what little logic there was left out the window.

I don't mind Goku mastering UI, as that's only natural, but I'm not a fan of him doing it so soon. The problem is that it's just going to be treated like any other form, resulting in the writers introducing yet another one, as if we don't have enough already.

Like Broly, if I want to watch Cooler I'll just watch his first movie. I enjoyed Super's Broly movie, but it wasn't necessary. Broly's first movie worked very well and did what it wanted to do, there was no need to reboot it. Although it fixed some issues I had with the original, it brought its own set of issues. Cooler getting rebooted is inevitable, but it's something I really hope doesn't happen.

Hell no. When BOG came out, I was so excited to see what would be next as the new concepts introduced were great, but instead we've been stuck with the same old things we had back in the day, just with a different paint job. If I wanted to watch Freeza, Future Trunks, or any other concept they dug out of the grave, I'll just watch the original. It also doesn't help that they pale in comparison to their original counterparts.

[SupremeKai25]

Yes, it should. I want to know more about Zeno and the Grand Priest, how they came into power (did they exist since the dawn of creation?), how the cosmos was forged, and obviously who Zalama is and why he is nowhere to be seen. There are still so many mysteries.

[It_Is_Ayna_You_Flips]

I don't mind Goku mastering UI, as that's only natural, but I'm not a fan of him doing it so soon. The problem is that it's just going to be treated like any other form, resulting in the writers introducing yet another one, as if we don't have enough already.

How quickly transformations are introduced and discarded makes them hard to care about. At least for me.

Before SSJ2 was introduced, SSJ was played with in ways that allowed the personality's of each Super Saiyan to shine through. Vegeta when trying to ascend went for bigger and better numbers because despite all he had learned that was still how he approached fighting. Trunks proved that despite his talent he really didn't understand fighting on the level his father did and ended up pursuing power he'd never be able to use. And Goku, who spent his whole life around martial arts, managed to take the form furthest by adopting a holistic view of fighting, one where strength needed to be balanced alongside speed, comfort, and ease of movement. So even while the story was transitioning to a bigger, badder power up, Super Saiyan was still integral to the story being told and helped the audience understand the characters better.

Compare that to how SSG and SSGSS have been treated. They're power ups. That's it.

It's kinda why I appreciate UI despite it being yet another excuse to sell more Goku merch. There's been a whole story attached to it and it feels like an extension of Goku's martial arts philosophy.

[Matches Malone]

Compare that to how SSG and SSGSS have been treated. They're power ups. That's it.

One thing SsjG had in its favor was the difficulty it took to reach and maintain. It wasn't just another Ssj form that could be accessed at will. In BOG, A Saiyan needed to stand still for a ritual, and when that was done, he had a very short window in which he was able to use it in. Had the form been kept as the only new one, it would've created a lot of tension for the Saiyans when it was needed, as not everyone would stand by and wait for such a power to be reached. But instead of doing something interesting like that, it was replaced with the most generic, easy to use form in the series. To make things worse, they brought back SsjG and took away what made it special.

What I liked about UI was its similarities to SsjG, in that it couldn't be used anytime, nor for a long period of time. Like SsjG though, it looks like those unique characteristics are going to be taken away, reducing it into yet another generic form that will be sidelined once the new one is introduced.

[Lionel]

Do those beings have much utilitarian value to the plot? Sure the Hakaishin are functionally intended to destroy worlds for the sake of balance and angels are attendants capable of training whomever they please. How does it apply to the narrative, though? After the BOG arc, Beerus's capacity has been more or less void of any worth unless you want to count his dying through the quintessential connection to Shin preventing him from stopping Black in the future timeline or his universe's mortal ranking being low enough to be considered for erasure by the Omni-King. Whis resurrecting Freeza had a cause & effect reaction in terms of facilitating Broly's emergence.

Something else to ask is who all benefits from their presence? Goku and Vegeta have reaped the rewards of this new realm with its unique type of ki. Beyond them, there hasn't been much assessment of its mechanics except for maybe Toppo and Moro through his now unimportant connection to Dai Kaioshin. I think the fact that so many other characters have been able to compete with such power despite not having any god ki of their own seems to cheapen its value.

So far Hakaishin and angels together largely serve as the prospective destination at the end of the journey for Goku and Vegeta. They're about the only worthwhile goalpost left outside of themselves and the few oddballs like Jiren.

[theherodjl]

I really hate how the DB pantheon of deities is sympathetic to the Z Senshi's plight/progress and will go out of their way to aid them if it grants satisfaction. Because so many powerful beings lean in favor towards the side of "good", there can never be a true threat to Earth, the universe, or existence anymore. Any villains, from the weak & mundane to the powerful & unique, have to hope that overpowered deities lack interest or concern in them and will actually leave them alone, something pretty much impossible as Goku has a freaking Deus Ex Machina button in his pocket.
Gone are the days of a Majin Boo or Super Yi Xing Long threatening to destroy all that is known and can only be stopped by a last ditch effort on the heroes part.