How Powerful Was Freeza Supposed To Be On Namek Originally?

[theherodjl]

I ask because Toriyama likely didn't have it pre-planned that Freeza was able to transform exactly 4 times and then power up to his actual BP of 120 million right after Vegeta left Earth all injured. Toriyama's writing style, which leads the story's direction, is a bit more spontaneous than that and is sometimes subject to the editor's approval of how intimidating the villains look(the Androids & Cell). With that in mind and at the very start of the arc, is it possible that Freeza may have been considerably below his eventual BP of 120 million as well as not being able to transform a bunch of times?
I can buy that Toriyama would make Freeza stronger than Vegeta...but was the power progression always intended to be as huge as it got?

[Polyphase Avatron]

I don't know, you'd need to find an interview from Toriyama that talks about it I guess.

[Grimlock]

Not to mention that Freeza's transformations work backward. What we call "final form" is actually his base form and whatever amount of power he possesses in it is probably meant to be his power originally. The other three forms Freeza "created" to contain his immense power.

[theherodjl]

I don't know, you'd need to find an interview from Toriyama that talks about it I guess.

If not any exact number on how strong Freeza could've been, how about the power progression on Namek? Do you imagine that Toriyama intended on Goku shooting from 8,000 to 3,000,000 just so he could combat Freeza's absurd increase?

[Lionel]

We know Toriyama had conceived of the idea of Freeza transforming at least as far back as Vegeta battling Zarbon the first time since the latter confessed that his superior could do so. Now did Toriyama mean for Freeza's power level to be so grossly over-inflated? Who can say for certain except for the man himself? What we are aware of is the amplifiers already established for things such as Kaioken and Oozaru. For Freeza to pose a threat he would have needed to be greater than a transformed Oozaru Vegeta at his top performance. In other words, Freeza would have required at least a power level exceeding 180,000 or even 240,000 since Vegeta appeared to still be under the impression that his tail would grow back immediately after exiting the healing tank prior to journeying to Namek; this same Vegeta being adamant about not crossing Freeza directly despite his recent zenkai.

I think Toriyama may have had a power level for Freeza in the hundreds of thousands early on. If the tyrant's transformation was more like Zarbon's instead of the exaggerated multiplicative mess that it and others later became he may have only reached 1 million at his strongest. It's still a huge leap to go from a potential 180,000 from the previous arc to that but not an absurd one.

[Peach]

Not to mention that Freeza's transformations work backward. What we call "final form" is actually his base form and whatever amount of power he possesses in it is probably meant to be his power originally. The other three forms Freeza "created" to contain his immense power.

Wait.. That doesn't make any sense.

Cooler and Frieza both unlocked a 5th form.

[LoganForkHands73]

Not to mention that Freeza's transformations work backward. What we call "final form" is actually his base form and whatever amount of power he possesses in it is probably meant to be his power originally. The other three forms Freeza "created" to contain his immense power.

Wait.. That doesn't make any sense.

Cooler and Frieza both unlocked a 5th form.

Frieza and Cooler managed to create fifth forms "the Saiyan way" by training themselves up, but I'd say it's probably not a natural ability for their species as they are freakishly strong mutants after all. Nevertheless, their species are all born in what we originally knew as their "final forms", i.e. smooth skin, bulbous heads.

[Peach]

Not to mention that Freeza's transformations work backward. What we call "final form" is actually his base form and whatever amount of power he possesses in it is probably meant to be his power originally. The other three forms Freeza "created" to contain his immense power.

Wait.. That doesn't make any sense.

Cooler and Frieza both unlocked a 5th form.

Frieza and Cooler managed to create fifth forms "the Saiyan way" by training themselves up, but I'd say it's probably not a natural ability for their species as they are freakishly strong mutants after all. Nevertheless, their species are all born in what we originally knew as their "final forms", i.e. smooth skin, bulbous heads.

Are you sure his forms are suppressed versions? Cell inherited the ability to transform from Frieza i think and he wasn't suppressed..

[dario03]

Wait.. That doesn't make any sense.

Cooler and Frieza both unlocked a 5th form.

Frieza and Cooler managed to create fifth forms "the Saiyan way" by training themselves up, but I'd say it's probably not a natural ability for their species as they are freakishly strong mutants after all. Nevertheless, their species are all born in what we originally knew as their "final forms", i.e. smooth skin, bulbous heads.

Are you sure his forms are suppressed versions? Cell inherited the ability to transform from Frieza i think and he wasn't suppressed..

When he first transforms he says his reason for having transformations is because he can't control his power. And I think he calls his final form his normal form in the DBS Broly movie, though I'm not sure if that was just the dub or not.

[Grimlock]

Wait.. That doesn't make any sense.

Conceptually, it does. Restraining power is a smart decision when you have no control over it. Which is something that was somewhat explored and talked about during his saga.

Cooler and Frieza both unlocked a 5th form.

I don't know or remember if Cooler's forms were ever explained, but if it works the same as Freeza's, the Cooler we saw in the beginning of the movie is his base/natural form and his fifth form is actually his first transformation forward (like Golden Freeza is to Freeza). Or his fifth form is his base form, I don't know.

Freeza doesn't have a fifth form (unless you count Golden Freeza, that is).

[Darkprince410]

Are you sure his forms are suppressed versions? Cell inherited the ability to transform from Frieza i think and he wasn't suppressed..

Cell's transformations were based around him absorbing the Artificial Humans, and wasn't indicated to have been something he inherited from Freeza. After all, Gero wasn't even aware of Freeza's existence at all, much less his ability to transform, yet he designed Cell with the ability to transform upon absorbing the two, so it was independent of Freeza's ability.