Femme Fatale Kikaza wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 9:50 am
Merus probably assumed he trained Goku enough for UI but he didn't cause UI is a pain in the ass and he didn't consider how long Goku could actually use it. And how strong Moro got within two months because Moro's literally been eating planets for two months and that has put him at a higher weight class.
Merus did in fact know that Goku couldn't maintain UI omen for long. That's why he wanted Goku to go in and manage the energy carefully by not going full power right away. However, Goku just said forget it and he went full throttle.
As you said, maybe Merus miscalculated something about Moro's strength? Or is it Merus figuring the Saiyan instincts wrong and expecting Goku to stick with the plan? However, Moro figured out the game and Goku went full power assuming Moro couldn't beat him at his best. Sounds like a legit response.
It's going to be interesting but I'm hoping it's as you said. Merus missed the mark about Moro. The guy did say he has many magic techniques and various ways of absorbing in the early parts of the story?
Moro seemed to figure out Goku was juggling his UI to keep it in his favor. UI is massive bitch to maintain, this is a technique the gods have trouble doing. Goku said fuck it and decided last moment, "Sorry Merus, but fuck balancing acts! I'm doing this the GOKU way!"
I can't say I'm too shocked, Moro and his cronies, that are now either dead or arrested, have been going across Universe 7, stealing treasure and Moro was eating the planet's energy and their life force for the past two months. Moro also probably has some ace card up his sleeve, the guy has had two months and Moro is a quick thinker, he'll probably think of something to turn the tides in his favor. The guy is millions of years old, wouldn't surprise me if Moro said,"HAHAHAHA! I've been saving (insert magical abilities that he's never shown until now) for a worthy opponent!"
Wait a second, how much damage has Moro caused again? Like in the past he's eaten 320 planets before his imprisonment. And he's eaten.....who knows how many planets for like two months. Universe 7 must look like absolute chaos given all this free reign Moro had to himself. And there aren't that many planets with intelligent life in Universe 7. Are they gonna address this because I imagine Moro eating planets has rendered Universe 7's life quality to a new low. I can't imagine Moro's planet feast hasn't fucked Universe 7's inhabitants of a large degree.
I think Moro taking away the little life universe 7 has was addressed with Freeza's bonus appearance with the last chapter. Freeza's business actually supplies planets to Orb less inhabitants. Balancing the cycle of life and destruction.
I don't know how much damaged Moro has caused Goku but in the two times he has connected Goku was damaged badly. The punch to the gut had him squirming and holding his stomach and when Moro bear hugged Goku out of UI omen after powering up. But you made a good point. Moro is old and experienced; A quick thinker and probably has some scheme in mind.
I don't know about you guys but I'm excited from a plot point of view to see what the "miscalculation" is while watching a good battle!
So is Moro's little planet feast going to have any effect on the series? I mean, given Moro's kill count, this is bound to cause problems for Universe 7 as a whole. Universe Seven's quality of life was horrible from the start of the series, but with Moro running around I wouldn't be surprised if it was worse than Universe 9's quality of life. What else do you expect after a planet eating psychopath and his cronies have been stealing and looting everything from countless planets like nothing? Moro's entire goal is to have the universe to himself so he can consume everything. That is literally asking for death.
I know dragon ball isn't the series ot have long lasting consequences but...
I kinda hope after Moro is defeated the damage he's done is so great that they can't reverse it with the regular dragon balls. Simply to show not everything can be wished back. I mean, Moro's been running around, eating planets like there's no tomorrow,with no leash to inhibit him.
I bet there's only a handful of decent planet's left with mortal life on them at this point after Moro's planet hunt. Moro is many things, but I doubt he was lying when he said that he ate countless planet's during those two months....and given Universe 7's quality of life is pretty bad....I bet its down the drain at this point.
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Femme Fatale Kikaza wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 8:20 pmI kinda hope after Moro is defeated the damage he's done is so great that they can't reverse it with the regular dragon balls. Simply to show not everything can be wished back. I mean, Moro's been running around, eating planets like there's no tomorrow,with no leash to inhibit him.
I was wondering about too! When Goku first sensed Moro, he said it left like countless people screaming in pain or something like that. What if those absorbed by Moro can't be revived by the Dragonballs? Since DBS is an interquel, we know the Z fighters and Earth are safe by the end but not what happens to the rest of universe. I suppose it depends if this ends up being only in the manga since that could mean it won't have any lasting consequences. I assume Toriyama is still checking the manga each month so I don't think it's just a filler saga while Toriyama works on his next storyline.
Femme Fatale Kikaza wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 8:20 pmI kinda hope after Moro is defeated the damage he's done is so great that they can't reverse it with the regular dragon balls. Simply to show not everything can be wished back. I mean, Moro's been running around, eating planets like there's no tomorrow,with no leash to inhibit him.
I was wondering about too! When Goku first sensed Moro, he said it left like countless people screaming in pain or something like that. What if those absorbed by Moro can't be revived by the Dragonballs? Since DBS is an interquel, we know the Z fighters and Earth are safe by the end but not what happens to the rest of universe. I suppose it depends if this ends up being only in the manga since that could mean it won't have any lasting consequences. I assume Toriyama is still checking the manga each month so I don't think it's just a filler saga while Toriyama works on his next storyline.
I feel like Moro's planet eating will bite Universe 7 hard. I have doubts the people Moro absorbed can even be brought back, especially the ones who have been absorbed for millions of years. They're probably good as dead.
I feel like any attempt to revive those absorbed by Moro should backfire and simply be too much to ask for. Same with reviving the planets Moro has consumed.
And the rest of the universe 7 probably looks like hell incarnate. Probably a handful of planets left unfazed by Moro while the rest is fucked. Quality of life is utter trash.
Earth may be intact because of plot power...but Universe 7 as a whole? Its fucked.
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I'm hoping that sometime in the manga they show the damage that has been caused to Universe 7 as a whole from Moro. Moro wasn't lying when he said he ate countless planets, I can't be the only one who wants to see just how bad Moro fucked things up with his planet feast. Like make sure none of the damage is reversed despite Moro being defeated at some point, and just have it pan out to show the utter hell Universe 7 is in, make it rival Universe 9's condition or even be worse given Moro has levelled civilisations.
We know Earth will....be intact by the end. But the rest of universe probably looks like hell given Moro having taken a tour around. We don't see much of Universe 7 outside of earth and it'd be cool and chilling to see just what Moro has done in two months.
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I was thinking that Seven-Three's absence of free will will have some use, maybe Shimorekka betrays Moro and orders Seven-Three to ago against Moro, or when Moro is certain of his absence of free will kills his comrades or something and Seven-Three shows some will and betrays him.
Also maybe Moro's destruction causes them to go after the super dragon balls and explore some more the other universes, they could wish for bringing everyone Moro consumed/killed, that could bring back some problems.
Anyways, I don't think the most popular predictions will occur, I think there will be some twists.
Femme Fatale Kikaza wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 11:13 pm
I'm hoping that sometime in the manga they show the damage that has been caused to Universe 7 as a whole from Moro. Moro wasn't lying when he said he ate countless planets, I can't be the only one who wants to see just how bad Moro fucked things up with his planet feast. Like make sure none of the damage is reversed despite Moro being defeated at some point, and just have it pan out to show the utter hell Universe 7 is in, make it rival Universe 9's condition or even be worse given Moro has levelled civilisations.
How many planets do you think he drained of energy so far? If we assume he only targeted planets with intelligent life then there shouldn't be too many left in U7. We saw him attack Namek, Zoon, a planet of Hedgehog aliens, dinosaur aliens, a I think a few others before the two month timeskip. He most likely hasn't found Vampa since Broly probably would've killed him and Vegeta is still on Yardrat so that's also still intact.
Part of what makes me believe they'll be able to wish back everyone Moro killed or absorbed is that there's still a Namek alive and Moori passed on Porunga to him or something like that. If all the Nameks were killed then unlikely they could be resurrected since Shenron already revived them before (unless some were born after the Freeza saga).
Femme Fatale Kikaza wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 11:13 pm
I'm hoping that sometime in the manga they show the damage that has been caused to Universe 7 as a whole from Moro. Moro wasn't lying when he said he ate countless planets, I can't be the only one who wants to see just how bad Moro fucked things up with his planet feast. Like make sure none of the damage is reversed despite Moro being defeated at some point, and just have it pan out to show the utter hell Universe 7 is in, make it rival Universe 9's condition or even be worse given Moro has levelled civilisations.
How many planets do you think he drained of energy so far? If we assume he only targeted planets with intelligent life then there shouldn't be too many left in U7. We saw him attack Namek, Zoon, a planet of Hedgehog aliens, dinosaur aliens, a I think a few others before the two month timeskip. He most likely hasn't found Vampa since Broly probably would've killed him and Vegeta is still on Yardrat so that's also still intact.
Part of what makes me believe they'll be able to wish back everyone Moro killed or absorbed is that there's still a Namek alive and Moori passed on Porunga to him or something like that. If all the Nameks were killed then unlikely they could be resurrected since Shenron already revived them before (unless some were born after the Freeza saga).
I'm under the assumption Moro went to planets with good intelligence first, but if he started exhausting their resources I doubt he'd be too picky. Basically what will happen is ,"Good news! The earth is..intact.. The bad news is the rest of Universe 7 is fucked!" Because Moro has basically been running around eating planets with no leash on him for two months and thats bound to have fucked things up.
Hell, they were on Yardrat, until Vegeta took care of them before they could invade.
Honestly, I'm under the assumption that Moro's completely absorbed those people. Some of those people have been a part of him for years, they might not be able to be brought back. Besides, I'd rather they keep people dead, just because it feels like in dragon ball, death is a revolving door and keeping people dead is a pain in the ass. I hope any attempt to repair the damage Moro's caused can't happen, just chalk it up to the damage being too great to repair.
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Vegeta learns instant transmission.
Personally not happy at all with that, I wanted Goku and Vegeta to have different techniques. This Goku&Vegeta show is getting out of control.
Not only is Vegeta back on earth, but it looks like his fight with Moro starts here, something I didn't think would happen for another 2 months. Finally, things are picking up. In terms of Goku, he gets beat pretty bad, and to make things worse, Moro looks to be more or less at full power still. Whatever Vegeta has learned is going to be the winning card to this, although I still believe others will contribute to the victory somehow.
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Zamasu55 wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 6:30 am
I'd be excited as hell if I did not know Goku still hasn't used MUI.
Why waste it here ? I think it was already a stretch having him master Omen, accessing MUI on top of that might be overkill. Even if he uses it, Moro can still absorb his powers. As of now , it looks like Vegeta's the key to winning this, as he might be the only one who can actually fight him.
Vegeta learns instant transmission.
Personally not happy at all with that, I wanted Goku and Vegeta to have different techniques. This Goku&Vegeta show is getting out of control.
Damn it, that's the one technique I didn't want to see him learn. I'm sure he has something else as well... or at least I'm somewhat sure, but he could've done without this one.
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Zamasu55 wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 6:30 am
I'd be excited as hell if I did not know Goku still hasn't used MUI.
Why waste it here ? I think it was already a stretch having him master Omen, accessing MUI on top of that might be overkill. Even if he uses it, Moro can still absorb his powers. As of now , it looks like Vegeta's the key to winning this, as he might be the only one who can actually fight him.
I don't know...
MUI mamga Goku is on VJumps's front page. I have a nad feeling about this...
Vegeta learns instant transmission.
Personally not happy at all with that, I wanted Goku and Vegeta to have different techniques. This Goku&Vegeta show is getting out of control.
My biggest question at the moment is when did Vegeta find the time to get a change of clothes. If it isn't because of the clothes beam that I have yet seen him use, then I'd like an explanation, lol.
Good news, V-Jump's next issue will release on the 19th next month, 2 days earlier than usual.
Zamasu55 wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 7:41 amMUI mamga Goku is on VJumps's front page. I have a nad feeling about this...
FighterZ is getting him as a playable character this week. Assuming you're right, he won't be able to do anything unless Vegeta found a way to permanently prevent him from absorbing energy. If not, he'd have to fight using long range techniques.
Yasai9001 wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 8:33 amMy biggest question at the moment is when did Vegeta find the time to get a change of clothes.
If you were going to do something epic, you'd want to look the part wouldn't you ?
I wouldn't be surprised Goku would break his limits after the pounding he gets from Moro to achieve temporary or mastered sylver-hair-form.
I'd say he will, otherwise Goku will basically be completely irrelevant from now till the end of the arc.
But when is that ending? The arc could last till the ending of the year. I honestly don't believe Toyotaro will keep him in the ropes untill then.
The only way to make him relevant again in the meanwhile, is to give him the sylver form.
As Omen appears completely useless against Moro.
Mister_Popo wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 9:30 am
I wouldn't be surprised Goku would break his limits after the pounding he gets from Moro to achieve temporary or mastered sylver-hair-form.
I'd say he will, otherwise Goku will basically be completely irrelevant from now till the end of the arc.
But when is that ending? The arc could last till the ending of the year. I honestly don't believe Toyotaro will keep him in the ropes untill then.
The only way to make him relevant again in the meanwhile, is to give him the sylver form.
As Omen appears completely useless against Moro.
That, or, find a way to weaken Moro. I believe that's also a good option. Block his ability to absorb energy and/or find a way to start sapping out of him what he has gathered. I think it would be interesting for a villain to be defeated by their own 'weakness' for once. Because Vegeta will probably play a role to this like that. Not by bringing superior firepower in the table.
And from his extremely powered up Prime form, Moro starts getting weaker and older and in the end is unable to fight. So much so that he withers away.
