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I mean, the arc is basically a highlight reel of Z, so it should feel somewhat like Z.Xeno Goku Black wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 10:08 pm Of all of Super so far, this arc is easily the closest to the feel of Dragon Ball Z.
Kanassa wrote:- FoolsGil, Out of Context, 2017FoolsGil wrote:I hope Mark is dead. But chances are the dragonballs will bring his stupid ass back.
Toriyama's "involvement" is almost meaningless because we have no idea to what extent he is involved. Sure in the collected volumes we've seen corrected panels but to defend the arc on that basis is speculative. My point stands, take a step back from this arc and the status quo remains relatively unchanged.Matches Malone wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 4:42 pmHe didn't come up with it on his own, as he said multiple times, Toriyama also has a hand in writing it and even correcting the art. Vegeta not wanting to use it is very in character, as his pride won't allow him to use someone else's technique. There's also the fact that he has his own technique that will most likely be used in future arcs. There's a good chance future arcs moving forward will be written like this one, between Toriyama and Toyotaro.Captain Awesome wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 4:32 pmI read Vegeta's refusal to use instantaneous movement again as a way to keep the status quo. This arc reads like Toyotaro was allowed to come up with an idea entirely on his own, provided it didn't have any long term ramifications on future projects.
Pretty much, the reuse of Namek, the violence, the lack of a Tournament featuring characters from another Universe, having the secondary characters appear to do something while we wait for the main two, the fight on an empty wasteland etc.
It’s even paced as such!Xeno Goku Black wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 4:47 amPretty much, the reuse of Namek, the violence, the lack of a Tournament featuring characters from another Universe, having the secondary characters appear to do something while we wait for the main two, the fight on an empty wasteland etc.
This is pretty much a generic Dragon Ball Z type story.
It is because the Resurrection F arc was very Dragon Ball Zish but it was a movie so it didn't have the proper pacing.
We also don't know how involved he was with Super, so I guess that's meaningless too.Captain Awesome wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 4:42 amToriyama's "involvement" is almost meaningless because we have no idea to what extent he is involved.
My point stands, take a step back from this arc and the status quo remains relatively unchanged.
It's actually the equivalent of 50+ chapters at this point, and the Saiyan arc was 50 or so.Xeno Goku Black wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 5:43 amIt's the longest saga now. It's about the equivalent of 37 Dragon Ball Z chapters which is longer than the Saiyan Sagas 36 chapters.
If he doesn't get involved, it allows there to be actual tension because earth's on its own, especially when 7-3 decided to mess things up. On the other hand, there being some history between Moro and Beerus could be very interesting. Either way, I really hope we get a satisfying ending.Femme Fatale Kikaza wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 6:56 amI have something telling me that for some dumb reason, the writers will find a way for Beerus to decide not to intervene.
A satisfying ending is what we all want.Matches Malone wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 6:59 amIf he doesn't get involved, it allows there to be actual tension because earth's on its own, especially when 7-3 decided to mess things up. On the other hand, there being some history between Moro and Beerus could be very interesting. Either way, I really hope we get a satisfying ending.Femme Fatale Kikaza wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 6:56 amI have something telling me that for some dumb reason, the writers will find a way for Beerus to decide not to intervene.
Just have Beerus assume that since Earth has powerful warriors they should be able to defend itself without the help of the gods, since they aren't saviors or whatever. He sees Vegeta clashing against Moro and assumes that Earth should be fine and that Whis and Merus should stop worrying and that mortals can handle themselves just fine.Grand Marshal 1 wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 7:03 amA satisfying ending is what we all want.Matches Malone wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 6:59 amIf he doesn't get involved, it allows there to be actual tension because earth's on its own, especially when 7-3 decided to mess things up. On the other hand, there being some history between Moro and Beerus could be very interesting. Either way, I really hope we get a satisfying ending.Femme Fatale Kikaza wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 6:56 amI have something telling me that for some dumb reason, the writers will find a way for Beerus to decide not to intervene.
But for Beerus to not intervene for stupid/random reasons takes away from the story.
I personally won't feel any stakes in a fight where Beerus can enter anytime, but chooses not to because of some awful reasoning.
That would take away from the storytelling of the Arc a lot.
People are being a bit too hyped if they think the writers will allow Vegeta to win. Vegeta will probably come close to winning before 7-3 ruins everything and sets things back at square one for the Z gang.
Considering RF and Zamasu's endings, there's plenty of ways for them to completely mess this up.
I think the ending will be very similar to the TOP. Vegeta will beat Moro, but won't be able to kill him, just as Goku beat Jiren but couldn't knock him out. And like Goku needing help to deliver the finishing blow to Jiren from Freeza and 17, I think Goku and Buu will get involved again to help Vegeta finish things.Femme Fatale Kikaza wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 8:44 amVegeta will probably come close to winning before 7-3 ruins everything and sets things back at square one for the Z gang.
I have a feeling Frieza has something coming. I don't know why but I get the sense we might see Moro press his foot on Vegeta's chest near the end of an even fight and just before Moro finishes him we see like a death beam pierce through Moro's shoulder or something. Then Vegeta finishes him or something. I feel Frieza has been strangely very absent from the story and I think there is a reasonMatches Malone wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 9:27 amConsidering RF and Zamasu's endings, there's plenty of ways for them to completely mess this up.
I think the ending will be very similar to the TOP. Vegeta will beat Moro, but won't be able to kill him, just as Goku beat Jiren but couldn't knock him out. And like Goku needing help to deliver the finishing blow to Jiren from Freeza and 17, I think Goku and Buu will get involved again to help Vegeta finish things.Femme Fatale Kikaza wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 8:44 amVegeta will probably come close to winning before 7-3 ruins everything and sets things back at square one for the Z gang.
Truth be told, when you are the Emperor of the Universe, ruling countless planets and having vast armies to command your subjects, the last thing you would like to have is for a delusional wizard with the powers of gods to go around with his minions and lay waste/take over worlds.Mad Swami wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 9:36 amI have a feeling Frieza has something coming. I don't know why but I get the sense we might see Moro press his foot on Vegeta's chest near the end of an even fight and just before Moro finishes him we see like a death beam pierce through Moro's shoulder or something. Then Vegeta finishes him or something. I feel Frieza has been strangely very absent from the story and I think there is a reasonMatches Malone wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 9:27 amConsidering RF and Zamasu's endings, there's plenty of ways for them to completely mess this up.
I think the ending will be very similar to the TOP. Vegeta will beat Moro, but won't be able to kill him, just as Goku beat Jiren but couldn't knock him out. And like Goku needing help to deliver the finishing blow to Jiren from Freeza and 17, I think Goku and Buu will get involved again to help Vegeta finish things.Femme Fatale Kikaza wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 8:44 amVegeta will probably come close to winning before 7-3 ruins everything and sets things back at square one for the Z gang.
Freeza will be in one of the previous chapters in the collected edition. In it, Freeza says he doesn't want to get involved because he doesn't want to deal with criminals, as he sees himself as a businessman. Only Freeza could kill so many yet look at himself as the good guy.