The Dragonball Misinformation Thread.

[God]

What's confusing about what I said? Toriyama/Toyotaro's manga is the canon continuation of Toriyama's original story, which is why it's still on-going writing his canon story.

Toriyama's story is the "canon" continuation.

Glad we agree here.

The manga and the anime are interpretations of said story, with creative liberties by other parties.

All of Toyotaro's interpretations are personally checked and approved by Toriyama, meanwhile Toriyama went on record stating he has faith in the team behind the anime and essentially allows them to do whatever they want (as evident by the ridiculous, often contradictory, stuff they come up with). So yeah, Toriyama has much more input in the manga than the anime (as evident by which story is still on-going), or do you need me to post Toriyama literally correcting panels from Toyotaro's manga in order for you to accept this fact?

[Vijay]

Broli is the strongest Saiyan.

This may have been false a few years ago, but the new Broly is (currently) the strongest Saiyan outside of fusion.

Not anymore. Current Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan have all surpassed him in terms of the power Broly displayed. ToP Goku also would have stomped Broly if he actually had control over UI like he does now.

Cmon. ToP Bluper Goku, Veggie were going all-out against Jiren & even managed to land some hits. To no effect sure, but same Bluper Goku & Veggie had to escape against LSSJ Broly.

UI Goku or Veggie wud stomp Broly sure. But that's for nother debate. It's not a form that has been acquired & utilized at will like Super Saiyan grades & stages

[God]

The discussion is about how Broly has been surpassed and isn't the strongest Saiyan, not about if ToP Goku / Vegeta could defeat him. I'm just pointing out how if ToP Goku could use UI in his battle against Broly he'd easily win.

[Sadala Elite]

Current Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan have all surpassed him in terms of the power Broly displayed.

ok I get Goku and Vegeta because of current arc but Gohan did nothing since then so heck no.

He canonically beat a fused Legendary Super Saiyan in the ToP while only in his base form, and he's stated to be even stronger now. Current Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan all destroy Broly.

Kefla even in the anime was nowhere near Broly level.

There's no way Gohan in either version could beat Broly.

[God]

ok I get Goku and Vegeta because of current arc but Gohan did nothing since then so heck no.

He canonically beat a fused Legendary Super Saiyan in the ToP while only in his base form, and he's stated to be even stronger now. Current Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan all destroy Broly.

Kefla even in the anime was nowhere near Broly level.

Epic headcanon. Are you just forgetting how Kale, who is far weaker than Kefla, completely fodderized everyone in the ToP (numerous SSB tier fighters)?

[Sadala Elite]

This may have been false a few years ago, but the new Broly is (currently) the strongest Saiyan outside of fusion.

Not anymore. Current Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan have all surpassed him in terms of the power Broly displayed. ToP Goku also would have stomped Broly if he actually had control over UI like he does now.

Cmon. ToP Bluper Goku, Veggie were going all-out against Jiren & even managed to land some hits. To no effect sure, but same Bluper Goku & Veggie had to escape against LSSJ Broly.

UI Goku or Veggie wud stomp Broly sure. But that's for nother debate. It's not a form that has been acquired & utilized at will like Super Saiyan grades & stages

There's also Broly's rapid growth in battle that you have to take into account.

[God]

Not anymore. Current Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan have all surpassed him in terms of the power Broly displayed. ToP Goku also would have stomped Broly if he actually had control over UI like he does now.

Cmon. ToP Bluper Goku, Veggie were going all-out against Jiren & even managed to land some hits. To no effect sure, but same Bluper Goku & Veggie had to escape against LSSJ Broly.

UI Goku or Veggie wud stomp Broly sure. But that's for nother debate. It's not a form that has been acquired & utilized at will like Super Saiyan grades & stages

There's also Broly rapid growth in battle that you have to take into account.

Irrelevant considering all Saiyans rapidly grow mid-battle, take Vegeta and his evolved Super Saiyan Blue or Gohan and him becoming above Kefla in just his base form; both of these scenarios have other characters stating how fast they've grown mid-battle.

[Sadala Elite]

He canonically beat a fused Legendary Super Saiyan in the ToP while only in his base form, and he's stated to be even stronger now. Current Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan all destroy Broly.

Kefla even in the anime was nowhere near Broly level.

Epic headcanon. Are you just forgetting how Kale, who is far weaker than Kefla, completely fodderized everyone in the ToP (numerous SSB tier fighters)?

And? Gohan could only match manga Kefla (who was even compared to nor ever stated to be around Beerus level like Broly was)

[Sadala Elite]

Cmon. ToP Bluper Goku, Veggie were going all-out against Jiren & even managed to land some hits. To no effect sure, but same Bluper Goku & Veggie had to escape against LSSJ Broly.

UI Goku or Veggie wud stomp Broly sure. But that's for nother debate. It's not a form that has been acquired & utilized at will like Super Saiyan grades & stages

There's also Broly rapid growth in battle that you have to take into account.

Irrelevant considering all Saiyans rapidly grow mid-battle, take Vegeta and his evolved Super Saiyan Blue or Gohan and him becoming above Kefla in just his base form; both of these scenarios have other characters stating how fast they've grown mid-battle.

You mean his Ultimate form right? Also, there's no evidence for Kefla in either version being anywhere near the level of Beerus, Broly and Jiren.

[God]

Kefla even in the anime was nowhere near Broly level.

Epic headcanon. Are you just forgetting how Kale, who is far weaker than Kefla, completely fodderized everyone in the ToP (numerous SSB tier fighters)?

And? Gohan could only match manga Kefla

The same Kefla who is far stronger than CSSB Goku/Vegeta and stated by Vados to be unrivaled in the entire tournament, also far stronger than Kale who was stated to be a threat even outside of this tournament; with Vados proclaiming to Champa how this tournament would be the least of their worries with Beserk SS1 Kale around.

[God]

There's also Broly rapid growth in battle that you have to take into account.

Irrelevant considering all Saiyans rapidly grow mid-battle, take Vegeta and his evolved Super Saiyan Blue or Gohan and him becoming above Kefla in just his base form; both of these scenarios have other characters stating how fast they've grown mid-battle.

You mean his Ultimate form right?

Base. Ultimate isn't a transformation, it's a permanent unlocking of one's potential.

[Sadala Elite]

Epic headcanon. Are you just forgetting how Kale, who is far weaker than Kefla, completely fodderized everyone in the ToP (numerous SSB tier fighters)?

And? Gohan could only match manga Kefla

The same Kefla who is far stronger than CSSB Goku/Vegeta and stated by Vados to be unrivaled in the entire tournament, also far stronger than Kale who was stated to be a threat even outside of this tournament; with Vados proclaiming to Champa how this tournament would be the least of their worries with Beserk SS1 Kale around.

None of that points to Kefla being even close to Jiren level (the actual strongest enemy of the ToP arc, and the only one there stated to be above any of the 12 GoDs.)

[Sadala Elite]

Irrelevant considering all Saiyans rapidly grow mid-battle, take Vegeta and his evolved Super Saiyan Blue or Gohan and him becoming above Kefla in just his base form; both of these scenarios have other characters stating how fast they've grown mid-battle.

You mean his Ultimate form right?

Base. Ultimate isn't a transformation, it's a permanent unlocking of one's potential.

Unless Manga Gohan is proven to be able to stack SSJ1 on top of his new base, the evidence points to Ultimate being a transformation.

[God]

And? Gohan could only match manga Kefla

The same Kefla who is far stronger than CSSB Goku/Vegeta and stated by Vados to be unrivaled in the entire tournament, also far stronger than Kale who was stated to be a threat even outside of this tournament; with Vados proclaiming to Champa how this tournament would be the least of their worries with Beserk SS1 Kale around.

None of that points to Kefla being even close to Jiren level (the actual strongest enemy of the ToP arc, and the only one there stated to be above any of the 12 GoDs.)

I dunno about that last part, sounds like Toei fanfiction, but Kefla was stated to be unrivaled in the tournament and believed a single blast was enough to take out both Goku and Jiren. She's definitely stronger than the pre-UI Jiren.

You mean his Ultimate form right?

Base. Ultimate isn't a transformation, it's a permanent unlocking of one's potential.

Unless Manga Gohan is proven to be able to stack SS1 on top of his new base, the evidence points to Ultimate being a transformation.

Did you not read the fourth chapter or the Resurrection of F manga? Also what evidence? Sorry to break it to you, but "Ultimate" has always been nothing more than an unlocking of one's potential, not a transformation.

[TheBigBoy]

I remember wayyyyyy back in 1998 or 1999 I was in a javascript chatroom on some random fansite and one of the guys in the room started talking about the series to Dragon Ball Z called...no, not GT, but Dragon Ball XY. He in the series, Goku and Vegeta died of old age and Gohan led the remaining members of the team around the galaxy and fought Freeza's extended family. He went into so much detail that I just assumed it was true. The internet was a much smaller place back then and it was much harder to refute bullshit.

[SupremeKai25]

"Goku Black is Goten" theory will always hold a special place in my heart.

Also apparently there were also some theories that Goku Black was CHI CHI....



The power of imagination, I guess...

[VegettoEX]

A couple quick things:

A lot of what I'm seeing here is standard-fare strength debates. We have a place for that!

And I know I'm late to the party, but with regard to the "STORY BY" on the Super manga: it's a little bit of unfortunate credit translation vagueness by Viz. Toriyama's credit on the Dragon Ball Super manga is the same credit he received on the Dragon Ball Super television series, the same credit he received on Dragon Ball GT, the same credit he received on the 2008 Jump Super Anime Tour special, and the same credit he received on Episode of Bardock: it's 原作 (gensaku), which means "original" or in this case "original work". It's saying he's the original creator of the franchise, and he receives that same credit on anything and everything produced with the Dragon Ball name on it.

(Yes, there is some obvious oversight and guidance that Toriyama provides to Toyotaro on the manga, as we've heard about in media interviews and have been explicitly told in the series' own interviews/bonuses.)

[God]

Toriyama's credit on the Dragon Ball Super manga is the same credit he received on the Dragon Ball Super television series

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBMwKJcIK4g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtWXBCZYvp8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PevIIN4DKY

Unless my eyes are deceiving me, I don't see "story by: Akira Toriyama" anywhere in the anime. I do see all the people actually working on and writing the story (not Toriyama) being credited though.

[Matches Malone]

The idea that any kind of widescreen presentation of the TV anime is acceptable.

I don't have an issue with fans doing that on their own TV, but the show (mainly Z and Kai TFC) definitely should have been released in its original aspect ratio.

Speaking of, another popular lie is Funimation's claim that the orange sets were "they way Z was always intended to be seen". I cannot believe an official company put something like that out.

[God]

What's confusing about what I said? Toriyama/Toyotaro's manga is the canon continuation of Toriyama's original story, which is why it's still on-going writing his canon story.

The manga is ongoing because of marketing reasons, and there are a lot of unanswered questions regarding the legitimacy of Moro's arc being a Toriyama story and not a Toyotaro one (with some Toriyama help). The arc is ongoing for almost 2 years, and the extent of Toriyama's involvement is still unknown, which is very very unusual.

Fitting for something like this to be in the "misinformation thread."



It's okay to be upset, I'm sure the promotional anime will come back eventually (...hopefully right?) and will adapt the canon story from Toyotaro's canon continuation of Toriyama's original story.