Is anyone else dissapointed that Vegeta doesn’t get a new transformation?

[Melee_Sovereign]

Ssj4 is black.

Is it though?

Either way, it's non-canon.

[Jord]

Ssj4 is black.

Is it though?

Either way, it's non-canon.

Boo hoo. Who cares about what's canon or not? A transformation is a transformation.

TC, you shouldn't have too much expectations with Vegeta. The guy is a bum. He has always been second banana. He gets transformations AFTER other people get a cool new transformation.

From a design standpoint, there is not much the people behind Dragon Ball can do with Vegeta's hair to signify a new transformation except dying it. Every transformation up until SSJ4 was just a color swap of his hair. And even SSJ4 Vegega still had his original haircut but now with a mullet.

[Matches Malone]

You shouldn't have too much expectations with Vegeta. The guy is a bum. He has always been second banana.

Every transformation up until SSJ4 was just a color swap of his hair. And even SSJ4 Vegega still had his original haircut but now with a mullet.

Never mind the fact he's done plenty already and is considered the best developed character in the franchise.

That's because Vegeta's hair is perfect, no need to change such a great design. 1000 years from now, his hair will be studied in universities as the gold standard of what a hair style should look like.

[Jord]

You shouldn't have too much expectations with Vegeta. The guy is a bum. He has always been second banana.

Every transformation up until SSJ4 was just a color swap of his hair. And even SSJ4 Vegega still had his original haircut but now with a mullet.

Never mind the fact he's done plenty already and is considered the best developed character in the franchise.

That's because Vegeta's hair is perfect, no need to change such a great design. 1000 years from now, his hair will be studied in universities as the gold standard of what a hair style should look like.

His overall development was nice, especially during the Buu saga his development was stunted a LOT during the whole Android/Cell part. The wily Vegeta on Namek was so interesting and it was a shame how they degenerated his character after his #19 fight. He basically turned to constantly saying "Lolz I am WAY stronger. Go ahead and get immensely stronger." only to get his ass kicked. Time and time again.

I agree on Vegeta's hair but it does make his forms less distinctive/exciting, much like how Goku's Super forms were pretty disappointing.

[Matches Malone]

His overall development was nice, especially during the Buu saga his development was stunted a LOT during the whole Android/Cell part. The wily Vegeta on Namek was so interesting and it was a shame how they degenerated his character after his #19 fight. He basically turned to constantly saying "Lolz I am WAY stronger. Go ahead and get immensely stronger." only to get his ass kicked. Time and time again.

His Cell arc phase was a part of his development. Vegeta went from a smart character in the Namek arc, being 2 steps ahead everyone, to someone believing power was everything once he reached Ssj. Once the Buu arc started, he realizes that's not the case, and went back to his more tactical self from earlier on. The point of Vegeta's character wasn't to be the strongest, or to win the most battles, it was to show someone grow and change as a person.

[Grimlock]

Who cares about what's canon or not?

Especially in a franchise that didn't establish it. By the way, white is taken too, they both possess it.

[GodVegetto91]

Ssj4 is black.

Is it though?

Either way, it's non-canon.

Boo hoo. Who cares about what's canon or not? A transformation is a transformation.

TC, you shouldn't have too much expectations with Vegeta. The guy is a bum. He has always been second banana. He gets transformations AFTER other people get a cool new transformation.

From a design standpoint, there is not much the people behind Dragon Ball can do with Vegeta's hair to signify a new transformation except dying it. Every transformation up until SSJ4 was just a color swap of his hair. And even SSJ4 Vegega still had his original haircut but now with a mullet.

I care what is canon or not. As is the person you’re responding to, aswell as MILLIONS of other fans. So please stop speaking for others. It’s highly offensive. That said. No. This ain’t Z my friend. Vegeta is AT LEAST on par with Goku most of the time. And now it seems he will finally surpass him once and for all thanks to spirit control (which IS the sole defining factor that decides how much of your inner latent hidden potential power you’re able to actualize).

[theherodjl]

What is "canon", whether it be strength debates or in general, is meaningless except to establish which canon is being referenced. There's never been such thing as "SSJ4 doesn't exist or count because GT is non-canon" because GT happened. It might not have occurred in DBS but it is still a valid future that branched off from Z and sits parallel to DBS.
Toriyama recognizes the manga, anime, and movies as being DB and he has never stated that any one DB isn't real except for maybe DB Evolution(who can blame him?)

[God]

People wanting transformations for every single power-up or growth is what's killing Dragon Ball. Good writing is put on the back burner while coming up with the new shiny flashy transformations that Shueisha can sell toys by creating is at the forefront, regardless of it making sense or not (take Rage SS2 Trunks, or whatever it's called, for example).

[Akyon]

New techniques are infinitely more interesting than transformations IMO.

Techniques and attacks tend to be reused later down the line whilst nearly every transformation aside from the latest one immediately become irrelevant.

Vegeta getting a new technique will actually serve him as a character better in the long term than him obtaining a new hair colour.

[The Undying]

I mean, we're missing what, orange and purple?

Yeah, but given how similar those are to other colors, I don't see either of them being introduced. They wouldn't stand out enough visually.

I honestly think we're done with hair colors, and maybe even new transformations. Pretty much every major tone in the spectrum has been covered at this point. White/gray kinda has a sense of finality to it as well.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I prefer Vegeta's new technique to a different transformation.

[Dragon Wukong]

I kinda prefer that Vegeta is keeping Super Saiyan Blue relevant since Super Saiyan forms in general are obsolete for Goku now.

[Gogeta SSJ Blue]

I kinda prefer that Vegeta is keeping Super Saiyan Blue relevant since Super Saiyan forms in general are obsolete for Goku now.

Totally agree!

Vegeta does not really need a new transformation at all.

[TheSaiyanGod]

With the current SSBE Vegeta being stronger than UI Omen Goku, I don't see him needing a new transformation right now

But he will definitely need a new form to rival the MUI. New techniques always come together with power boosts because this is Dragon Ball, so if the character is not strong enough, he will hardly be able to close a big power gap just with techniques

[MCDaveG]

In time, I have bought this blue stuff, as I am saying to myself that it is just a Super Saiyan but wit different aura and the in-universe explanation is rudiculous the same as the classic SSJ ''Well, because of your chi somehow transforming you by some scientific weird anime stuff, your eyes turn blue and hair blonde/yellow''.

But, when I play FighterZ and see all this hair colors now in DB with magenta, blue, grey, yellow and pink in the mix, Dragon Ball was kind of tainted in my eyes as visually different to other anime. Because what I liked about Dragon Ball was, that this is not the classic pointy chins, huge eyes, weird emotional faces (with cat mouths and weird icon like elements illustrating the feeling) anime style, but is very distinct and different. Also, everyne has mostly dark hair with exception to Bulma and Trunks, that have colors that make them relatives and special looking among the cast and not like classic anime, where the more color of hair the better.
Turning SSJ then felt really unique and special and the visual formula really worked for me and helped DB to stand out from all the other generic looking anime like Inuyasha, Pokemon, Digimon, Sailor Moon, Ranma etc. that ran at the time...

To put it short, as a long time fan of the series and with the info of fusing God ki with Super Saiyan, yeah OK I get that,
but I am not really happy about it visually, because it degraded Dragon Ball from being it's own thing more to the anime otaku fanservicey realm with the emphasis on food and lot of colours tossed around. The series before Super felt more grounded visualy, even with some of the weird filler designs and particularly colorful Namek arc in anime, not to mention that Toriyamas design felt kinda out of focus and his thing for simplifying things probably went full circle and hit the limit.

Tough I am not fan of Toyble's Freeza/Cell/Hit face designs and the copycat villain from Moro arc looks kind of uninspiring and bland, I think that artwise we can thank for Toyble existing and bringing back the old visual style, even tough that he can not ever surpass the original artist that Toriyama is, because he is still the thinking force behind the stories and even tough his art changes and gets more unfimiliar and I think he reached the peak around the Sandland and Kanzenban cover arts, I have really enjoyed Jaco and still enjoy his work and it is a sheer contrast to Toyble's chaotic and condensed panel work.

But man, I went so Off topic!

About Vegeta, I was kind of happy in Super, that he got his own SSJ Blue form and thus not being always one step behind Goku, because this DBZ trope of darn, Kakarot has reached new form, see episodes with Vegeta where he will reach it as well trough hard work and sheer willpower, is getting old as well...
But it makes sense for vegeta to unlock ultra instinct as well. Which is form that I don't like visually because technically it is the state of mind, doesn't make sense for it to get you morning hair style and grey hair.
I was actually happy when before RoF, there was this promo stating how Super Saiyan is outdated and Goku and Vegeta grew beyond that, so I was thinking about the End Of Z Prologue, where Goku doesn't turn SSJ and based on the poster where they are in base thought: ''Yes, they went back to the roots and not having a flashy transformation after so much of it and relying on yourself is exactly what I think will fit a martial arts story'' and here we are!

I am actually fan of not having anymore transformation, because it already is crazy and don't forget to add SSJ4 in the mix...
But Vegeta training on Yadrat actually gave me hope, as new techniques is something I am missing from the series.
I was hyped as Goku came back from Namek and learned teleport, like what the hell! Or that you can stay SSJ as a normal person.
Going SSJ3 was novel as well but at the Buu arc, that showed us two variants of two people fusing, the series went stale with new ideas
and even GT and Super is basically still milking the status quo from Buu arc onwards. Idea of SSJ God sounds actually weird and farfetched but except for bridging again some power gap trough transformation, it doesn't bring anything new really.
But, the Broly Movie was actually interesting and the fight felt more like something I was expecting from Goku vs Beerus on god tier level.