Does Super Sayain God White exist?

[Young-Jah]

When Toriyama stated in a interview with V-Jump that he originally wanted the Super Sayain God form to be white, but kept the concept for a color clashed with a new enemy later on, many people fought that Goku Black/Zamasu was the color clashed enemy, or that Mastered Ultra Instinct was the rumour Super Sayain God White form.

However, that never happened.

Does that mean that Toriyama's interview statement was false?

Does Super Sayain God White, SSW (Super Sayain White) actually exist, or no?

[sunsetshimmer]

When Toriyama said that? Maybe he simply forgot that or changed his mind. I don't think he meant UI (there is no such thing as MUI, small reminder) or fused Zamasu because SSJG debuted in BoG movie which was years before those two and DBS wasn't even planned back then to begin with.

It kinda does exists, since Baby Vegeta had white haired SSJ. So far, that's the only "SSJ White" existing.

[SupremeKai25]

If I recall correctly Toriyama made that statement around the conclusion of the U6 arc. It indeed came to pass, because the main villain of the following arc had white hair.

The closest thing to Super Saiyan White would be Fused Zamasu, who was in a perennial state of Super Saiyan Rose (due to Black being in that form when he fused), but having white hair due to Zamasu genes. The rainbow aura around him even looks like something a Super Saiyan White would have:



I suppose you could also consider Ultra Instinct as being "Super Saiyan White"? But again I am not certain if it is a Saiyan-exclusive appearance… I am pretty sure anyone would have white hair if they mastered UI, saiyan or not (I imagine MUI 17 would have white hair, for example).

[Young-Jah]

When Toriyama said that? Maybe he simply forgot that or changed his mind. I don't think he meant UI (there is no such thing as MUI, small reminder) or fused Zamasu because SSJG debuted in BoG movie which was years before those two and DBS wasn't even planned back then to begin with.

It kinda does exists, since Baby Vegeta had white haired SSJ. So far, that's the only "SSJ White" existing.

https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations ... b-version/

It was when he started doing RoF.

[Matches Malone]

I'm pretty sure he was talking about Fused Zamasu. He went as far as to say that Goku and Vegeta would've learned to work together and teamed up to take him down...before Toyotaro pushed for Vegetto instead to satisfy the fans, throwing potential character development out the window.

[LoganForkHands73]

I'm pretty sure he was talking about Fused Zamasu. He went as far as to say that Goku and Vegeta would've learned to work together and teamed up to take him down...before Toyotaro pushed for Vegetto instead to satisfy the fans, throwing potential character development out the window.

Yeah that's how I interpreted it. I get the feeling 'Super Saiyan White' was simply discarded because of Fused Zamasu, then somewhat revisited in spirit with Ultra Instinct. It's interesting because Toriyama's sketch of Ultra Instinct is literally just a white palette swap of his original Super Saiyan God artwork, which gives me a feeling that he had it on the backburner for much longer than we know.

And yeah, it's funny when people talk about the Super plot outline by Toriyama as the only true canon, yet both Toyotaro and Toei actively went against it to bring Vegetto back when he really wasn't needed.

[miguelnuva1]

I'm pretty sure he was talking about Fused Zamasu. He went as far as to say that Goku and Vegeta would've learned to work together and teamed up to take him down...before Toyotaro pushed for Vegetto instead to satisfy the fans, throwing potential character development out the window.

They team up in the TOP against Jiren so no charcters development was lost asked any team Vegeta agrees to fuse is character development.

[Matches Malone]

They team up in the TOP against Jiren so no charcters development was lost.

That's your idea of a team up ? They weren't even working together, each one was pretty much attacking on their own. A team up that shows they've learned to work together would have them communicating and coordinating their attacks, like what Goku and Freeza did to take Jiren down.

Vegeta agrees to fuse is character development.

It was development the first time around in the Buu arc, but not in Super. Goku having to convince him a second time (Zamasu) and a third time (Broly) is just going over ground that was already covered. Vegeta being the one to suggest the fusion like in GT is what they should've done, as that would show Vegeta had develop past having to be convinced to now being the one calling for it.

[miguelnuva1]

They team up in the TOP against Jiren so no charcters development was lost.

That's your idea of a team up ? They weren't even working together, each one was pretty much attacking on their own. A team up that shows they've learned to work together would have them communicating and coordinating their attacks, like what Goku and Freeza did to take Jiren down.

Vegeta agrees to fuse is character development.

It was development the first time around in the Buu arc, but not in Super. Goku having to convince him a second time (Zamasu) and a third time (Broly) is just going over ground that was already covered. Vegeta being the one to suggest the fusion like in GT is what they should've done, as that would show Vegeta had develop past having to be convinced to now being the one calling for it.

Several team ups have two people working together by just attacking the same person. We have no prove Goku and Vegeta would have fought Zamasu any differently then they fought Jiren or Buu. All Toriyama said was two Ssj blues would beat Zamasu not they would work together.

Both Goku and Vegeta regress fighting wise regardless expect for GT anyway.

[Grimlock]

Does SSW (Super Sayain White) actually exist, or no?

In a way, yes, it does. According to V-Jump, "Super Mira" is a transformation that comes from the Saiyans DNA. So you can say that this is Mira's Super Saiyan. Naturally, Fu also has it. This is the closest to a "Super Saiyan White" so far.

[blacksymbiote]

We called it Super Saiyan 5 back in the day.

[LoganForkHands73]

I wonder if Gotenks' Super Kamikaze Ghosts also count?

[Darkprince410]

I'm pretty sure he was talking about Fused Zamasu. He went as far as to say that Goku and Vegeta would've learned to work together and teamed up to take him down...before Toyotaro pushed for Vegetto instead to satisfy the fans, throwing potential character development out the window.

It's far too early for that. He said it when he was designing the form for the Revival of F movie, so we're talking about before Super was even greenlit, much less when he had anything planned for it. Likewise, the Future Trunks arc wasn't even his idea to begin with, but something that Toei's higher ups suggested first, so it's even less likely that it had anything to do with Zamasu.

Given what he said and the timing related to it, I think he was actually talking about Freeza, at a time potentially before he had come up with the concept of giving Freeza another form. Toriyama doesn't say that the individual's hair would clash with the white Super Saiyan hair (or that the individual would even have hair, just that their color would conflict with a white-haired form. If it was early into Revival of F's concepts, and he had yet to come up with Freeza having his Golden form, then Freeza's final form would perfectly fit this conflicting color.

[miguelnuva1]

I think SSJ white would have been a nice twist against Frieza going Gold.

[SupremeKai25]

I'm pretty sure he was talking about Fused Zamasu. He went as far as to say that Goku and Vegeta would've learned to work together and teamed up to take him down...before Toyotaro pushed for Vegetto instead to satisfy the fans, throwing potential character development out the window.

It's far too early for that. He said it when he was designing the form for the Revival of F movie, so we're talking about before Super was even greenlit, much less when he had anything planned for it. Likewise, the Future Trunks arc wasn't even his idea to begin with, but something that Toei's higher ups suggested first, so it's even less likely that it had anything to do with Zamasu.

Given what he said and the timing related to it, I think he was actually talking about Freeza, at a time potentially before he had come up with the concept of giving Freeza another form. Toriyama doesn't say that the individual's hair would clash with the white Super Saiyan hair (or that the individual would even have hair, just that their color would conflict with a white-haired form. If it was early into Revival of F's concepts, and he had yet to come up with Freeza having his Golden form, then Freeza's final form would perfectly fit this conflicting color.

Are you sure the Future Trunks arc wasn't his idea? Because I remember reading an interview with Toriyama and Toyotaro in which the former said he came up with the concept of the arc and its main villain Zamasu.

[Darkprince410]

Are you sure the Future Trunks arc wasn't his idea? Because I remember reading an interview with Toriyama and Toyotaro in which the former said he came up with the concept of the arc and its main villain Zamasu.

From his announcement for the arc:

Next up in Dragon Ball Super, adult Trunks will be putting in his first appearance in a long time! I put together this story based on a suggestion from the editorial office. Like last time, I write an outline of the entire plot, then the script writers break it up into episodes, expanding on things, changing things around, or adding in new bits as need be.

So, while he came up with the actual material for it, the idea to have such an arc wasn't originally his idea, and therefore, unless he had the idea for Zamasu well ahead of Super even being greenlit, then it wasn't Zamasu he was envisioning when he was coming up with the original design for Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan.