The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[ZombieVito]

-New Battles-

1. 7/3 (Gohan, not injured) vs 17 (Moro)?

2. 17 (Buu saga) vs Super Buu (17 was able to dodge Buu’s extinction attack)?

3. UI omen Goku (eps. 116) vs GoD Toppo?

4. Saganbo vs FP Blue Vegeta (ToP, Manga)?

5. G. Frieza (RoF, no stamina issues) vs SsjB Copy Vegeta?

7/3 would have Gohan's strength so he wins after a good fight.
I personally think 17 is at the half way point between SS2 and SS3 so he still loses easily to Boo.
Goku but it's a tough fight.
I have no idea. Toyo never really explained what the hell was Vegeta's power up supposed to be.
Commeson Vegeta but it's a tough fight.

[Mad Swami]

SSJ4 Goku from GT Baby arc vs First Form Frieza RoF

SSJ4 Gogeta vs Final Form Frieza RoF

SSJ4 Vegeta vs SSJ2 Rage Vegeta BoG or SSJ4 Vegeta vs False SSJG Goku in BoG

[Grand Marshal 1]

SSJ4 Goku from GT Baby arc vs First Form Frieza RoF

SSJ4 Gogeta vs Final Form Frieza RoF

SSJ4 Vegeta vs SSJ2 Rage Vegeta BoG or SSJ4 Vegeta vs False SSJG Goku in BoG

1) Goku takes it. He actually pushes Freeza to 50% Final. But if he goes Golden it's game over.

2) For me GT stays relatable until the Black Arc. SS4 Gogeta actually is on got tier until the Broly movie. So no, Freeza can't defeat him. Broly Movie Freeza can.

3) GT bases are superior to BoG. SS2 Quake of Fury Vegeta should have a boost superior to SS3 but not by much. SS4 Vegeta.

Failed Ritual SS Goku should be even superior than Vegeta. But the gap is too great still. So Vegeta.

[Mad Swami]

SSJ4 Goku from GT Baby arc vs First Form Frieza RoF

SSJ4 Gogeta vs Final Form Frieza RoF

SSJ4 Vegeta vs SSJ2 Rage Vegeta BoG or SSJ4 Vegeta vs False SSJG Goku in BoG

1) Goku takes it. He actually pushes Freeza to 50% Final. But if he goes Golden it's game over.

2) For me GT stays relatable until the Black Arc. SS4 Gogeta actually is on got tier until the Broly movie. So no, Freeza can't defeat him. Broly Movie Freeza can.

3) GT bases are superior to BoG. SS2 Quake of Fury Vegeta should have a boost superior to SS3 but not by much. SS4 Vegeta.

Failed Ritual SS Goku should be even superior to Vegeta. But the gap is too great still. So Vegeta.

1) I personally don't see SSJ4 Goku comparing to 50% may be more like 25%.

2) Wasn't Frieza in RoF god tier in his final form, however? Or are you saying that SSJ4 Gogeta is stronger than initial god Goku

[Grand Marshal 1]

SSJ4 Goku from GT Baby arc vs First Form Frieza RoF

SSJ4 Gogeta vs Final Form Frieza RoF

SSJ4 Vegeta vs SSJ2 Rage Vegeta BoG or SSJ4 Vegeta vs False SSJG Goku in BoG

1) Goku takes it. He actually pushes Freeza to 50% Final. But if he goes Golden it's game over.

2) For me GT stays relatable until the Black Arc. SS4 Gogeta actually is on got tier until the Broly movie. So no, Freeza can't defeat him. Broly Movie Freeza can.

3) GT bases are superior to BoG. SS2 Quake of Fury Vegeta should have a boost superior to SS3 but not by much. SS4 Vegeta.

Failed Ritual SS Goku should be even superior to Vegeta. But the gap is too great still. So Vegeta.

1) I personally don't see SSJ4 Goku comparing to 50% may be more like 25%.

2) Wasn't Frieza in RoF god tier in his final form, however? Or are you saying that SSJ4 Gogeta is stronger than initial god Goku

1)I mean he would pretty much push him to final form.

2)I meant that SS4 Gogeta is relative to Broly movie SSG Goku. That God tier. For all its worth initial SSG Goku may or may not be the same as the SSG we know of. For the sake of simplicity it's just SSG for me and as such, yes, SS4 Gogeta surpasses God Goku from BoG.

[Mad Swami]

1) Goku takes it. He actually pushes Freeza to 50% Final. But if he goes Golden it's game over.

2) For me GT stays relatable until the Black Arc. SS4 Gogeta actually is on got tier until the Broly movie. So no, Freeza can't defeat him. Broly Movie Freeza can.

3) GT bases are superior to BoG. SS2 Quake of Fury Vegeta should have a boost superior to SS3 but not by much. SS4 Vegeta.

Failed Ritual SS Goku should be even superior to Vegeta. But the gap is too great still. So Vegeta.

1) I personally don't see SSJ4 Goku comparing to 50% may be more like 25%.

2) Wasn't Frieza in RoF god tier in his final form, however? Or are you saying that SSJ4 Gogeta is stronger than initial god Goku

1)I mean he would pretty much push him to final form.

2)I meant that SS4 Gogeta is relative to Broly movie SSG Goku. That God tier. For all its worth initial SSG Goku may or may not be the same as the SSG we know of. For the sake of simplicity it's just SSG for me and as such, yes, SS4 Gogeta surpasses God Goku from BoG.

Hmm ok ok

[Koitsukai]

SSJ4 Goku from GT Baby arc vs First Form Frieza RoF

SSJ4 Gogeta vs Final Form Frieza RoF

SSJ4 Vegeta vs SSJ2 Rage Vegeta BoG or SSJ4 Vegeta vs False SSJG Goku in BoG

1) Goku. Maybe even in base or SS. SS4 is a stomp. 1st form Freeza should be around buu arc SS-SS2.
2) Gogeta kills. FF Freeza has to be at least like Buuhan or base Vegito, maybe like Super Vegito, perhaps even above. SS4 Gogeta is way above Z. It's way above GT actually.
3) SS4 Vegeta kills BoG Vegeta who is stronger than Z SS3 Goku. GT Base Goku might beat BoG Vegeta too.
4) I think Vegeta. That false SSG probably put Goku up there with Buutenks, Buuhan, Vegito, hard to tell how much stronger he got. They said it was a lot stronger than before, but I doubt he got strong enough to take on high-end GT characters.

[Grand Marshal 1]

• Android 21 (Transformed, peak I think with Cell absorbed) vs Blue Vegeta (Post-ToP ofc)

• Android 21 (Same as before) vs Base/Aura of a God Toppo

• Android 21 (always at peak) vs Hearts (Base)

• Android 21 (Transformed, can use peak power if needed) vs SS2 Caulifla and controlled SS Kale

• Android 21 (Transformed only) vs Fit Buu

• Android 21 (Transformed only) vs Base/Saiyan Beyond God Goku Black (can access full power)

Scenario: If Android 21 at her peak absorbed Post-ToP Ultimate Gohan (Buuhan style) would she be able to overcome blue tier foes?

[Thani]

• Android 21 (Transformed, peak I think with Cell absorbed) vs Blue Vegeta (Post-ToP ofc)

• Android 21 (Same as before) vs Base/Aura of a God Toppo

• Android 21 (always at peak) vs Hearts (Base)

• Android 21 (Transformed, can use peak power if needed) vs SS2 Caulifla and controlled SS Kale

• Android 21 (Transformed only) vs Fit Buu

• Android 21 (Transformed only) vs Base/Saiyan Beyond God Goku Black (can access full power)

Scenario: If Android 21 at her peak absorbed Post-ToP Ultimate Gohan (Buuhan style) would she be able to overcome blue tier foes?

Well, 21 was defeated by our cast without the use of Blue form in the story proper. She should be, at her peak, at least above Goku's SSJ3 and Gohan's Ultimate state (since they both featured in the story, albeit still weakened), but it's anyone's guess where she would actually sit. But as I see it, it would go:

1. Blue Vegeta
2. Toppo
3. Hearts
4. 21
5. 21
6. Probably 21
Scenario: No idea, tbh. But if Gohan's supposed to be an equal to Android 17, then she can at least compete with the "Blue tier".

SSJ4 Goku from GT Baby arc vs First Form Frieza RoF

SSJ4 Gogeta vs Final Form Frieza RoF

SSJ4 Vegeta vs SSJ2 Rage Vegeta BoG or SSJ4 Vegeta vs False SSJG Goku in BoG

1) Goku. Maybe even in base or SS. SS4 is a stomp. 1st form Freeza should be around buu arc SS-SS2.
2) Gogeta kills. FF Freeza has to be at least like Buuhan or base Vegito, maybe like Super Vegito, perhaps even above. SS4 Gogeta is way above Z. It's way above GT actually.
3) SS4 Vegeta kills BoG Vegeta who is stronger than Z SS3 Goku. GT Base Goku might beat BoG Vegeta too.
4) I think Vegeta. That false SSG probably put Goku up there with Buutenks, Buuhan, Vegito, hard to tell how much stronger he got. They said it was a lot stronger than before, but I doubt he got strong enough to take on high-end GT characters.

Agreed there. I may be of the opinion that Super > GT in terms of sheer power and scale, but that doesn't mean the gap is that massive. For instance, I do believe that GT SSj4 Gogeta is waaaaay stronger than SSB Goku/Vegeta. The SSj4 themselves may be weaker than God, but Fusion definitely more than makes up for it.

[Mad Swami]

• Android 21 (Transformed, peak I think with Cell absorbed) vs Blue Vegeta (Post-ToP ofc)

• Android 21 (Same as before) vs Base/Aura of a God Toppo

• Android 21 (always at peak) vs Hearts (Base)

• Android 21 (Transformed, can use peak power if needed) vs SS2 Caulifla and controlled SS Kale

• Android 21 (Transformed only) vs Fit Buu

• Android 21 (Transformed only) vs Base/Saiyan Beyond God Goku Black (can access full power)

Scenario: If Android 21 at her peak absorbed Post-ToP Ultimate Gohan (Buuhan style) would she be able to overcome blue tier foes?

Well, 21 was defeated by our cast without the use of Blue form in the story proper. She should be, at her peak, at least above Goku's SSJ3 and Gohan's Ultimate state (since they both featured in the story, albeit still weakened), but it's anyone's guess where she would actually sit. But as I see it, it would go:

1. Blue Vegeta
2. Toppo
3. Hearts
4. 21
5. 21
6. Probably 21
Scenario: No idea, tbh. But if Gohan's supposed to be an equal to Android 17, then she can at least compete with the "Blue tier".

SSJ4 Goku from GT Baby arc vs First Form Frieza RoF

SSJ4 Gogeta vs Final Form Frieza RoF

SSJ4 Vegeta vs SSJ2 Rage Vegeta BoG or SSJ4 Vegeta vs False SSJG Goku in BoG

1) Goku. Maybe even in base or SS. SS4 is a stomp. 1st form Freeza should be around buu arc SS-SS2.
2) Gogeta kills. FF Freeza has to be at least like Buuhan or base Vegito, maybe like Super Vegito, perhaps even above. SS4 Gogeta is way above Z. It's way above GT actually.
3) SS4 Vegeta kills BoG Vegeta who is stronger than Z SS3 Goku. GT Base Goku might beat BoG Vegeta too.
4) I think Vegeta. That false SSG probably put Goku up there with Buutenks, Buuhan, Vegito, hard to tell how much stronger he got. They said it was a lot stronger than before, but I doubt he got strong enough to take on high-end GT characters.

Agreed there. I may be of the opinion that Super > GT in terms of sheer power and scale, but that doesn't mean the gap is that massive. For instance, I do believe that GT SSj4 Gogeta is waaaaay stronger than SSB Goku/Vegeta. The SSj4 themselves may be weaker than God, but Fusion definitely more than makes up for it.

I personally disagree. SSJ4 Gogeta could compete with BoG God Goku imo but that's it. GT is just not universal+

[Grand Marshal 1]

• Android 21 (Transformed, peak I think with Cell absorbed) vs Blue Vegeta (Post-ToP ofc)

• Android 21 (Same as before) vs Base/Aura of a God Toppo

• Android 21 (always at peak) vs Hearts (Base)

• Android 21 (Transformed, can use peak power if needed) vs SS2 Caulifla and controlled SS Kale

• Android 21 (Transformed only) vs Fit Buu

• Android 21 (Transformed only) vs Base/Saiyan Beyond God Goku Black (can access full power)

Scenario: If Android 21 at her peak absorbed Post-ToP Ultimate Gohan (Buuhan style) would she be able to overcome blue tier foes?

Well, 21 was defeated by our cast without the use of Blue form in the story proper. She should be, at her peak, at least above Goku's SSJ3 and Gohan's Ultimate state (since they both featured in the story, albeit still weakened), but it's anyone's guess where she would actually sit. But as I see it, it would go:

1. Blue Vegeta
2. Toppo
3. Hearts
4. 21
5. 21
6. Probably 21
Scenario: No idea, tbh. But if Gohan's supposed to be an equal to Android 17, then she can at least compete with the "Blue tier".

SSJ4 Goku from GT Baby arc vs First Form Frieza RoF

SSJ4 Gogeta vs Final Form Frieza RoF

SSJ4 Vegeta vs SSJ2 Rage Vegeta BoG or SSJ4 Vegeta vs False SSJG Goku in BoG

1) Goku. Maybe even in base or SS. SS4 is a stomp. 1st form Freeza should be around buu arc SS-SS2.
2) Gogeta kills. FF Freeza has to be at least like Buuhan or base Vegito, maybe like Super Vegito, perhaps even above. SS4 Gogeta is way above Z. It's way above GT actually.
3) SS4 Vegeta kills BoG Vegeta who is stronger than Z SS3 Goku. GT Base Goku might beat BoG Vegeta too.
4) I think Vegeta. That false SSG probably put Goku up there with Buutenks, Buuhan, Vegito, hard to tell how much stronger he got. They said it was a lot stronger than before, but I doubt he got strong enough to take on high-end GT characters.

Agreed there. I may be of the opinion that Super > GT in terms of sheer power and scale, but that doesn't mean the gap is that massive. For instance, I do believe that GT SSj4 Gogeta is waaaaay stronger than SSB Goku/Vegeta. The SSj4 themselves may be weaker than God, but Fusion definitely more than makes up for it.

Agreed. I find 21 as a rather interesting character tbh. And her abilities look interesting (albeit not as unique as from other characters).

As for GT, yes. I am of the opinion that Omega Shenron would require Blue KK×10 in the U6 Arc to be defeated.

[Koitsukai]

• Android 21 (Transformed, peak I think with Cell absorbed) vs Blue Vegeta (Post-ToP ofc)

• Android 21 (Same as before) vs Base/Aura of a God Toppo

• Android 21 (always at peak) vs Hearts (Base)

• Android 21 (Transformed, can use peak power if needed) vs SS2 Caulifla and controlled SS Kale

• Android 21 (Transformed only) vs Fit Buu

• Android 21 (Transformed only) vs Base/Saiyan Beyond God Goku Black (can access full power)

Scenario: If Android 21 at her peak absorbed Post-ToP Ultimate Gohan (Buuhan style) would she be able to overcome blue tier foes?

If I understood FighterZ correctly, 21 is a beast in Z but doesn't seem to be relevant powerwise in DBS.

1) Toppo. He is blue tier.
2) Hearts. SSB wasn't enough.
3) I think 21 might win this one. The girls fighting together weren't enough for a tired SSG. Maybe 21 is as strong as a depleted SSG.
4) I'm not so sure how strong Fit Buu is suppose to be, but if he is Z high tier, that is going to be a great fight.
5) Black. He can fuck up DBS SS3 level of power.

scenario: I think so, yes. That Gohan is pretty close to blue level, 21 should be what tilts the scale.

[Grand Marshal 1]

Apparently, there was a statement made by Vegeta that if he accessed his full power, he would be able to face her (as in full potential Blue ig). Hense my choice of debates. Since, although weakened, most individuals in Fighterz come after the ToP.



Btw, I was interested in the Ultra Fusion and Ultra Pinich. They both seem quite strong, although Ultra Pinich was defeated from relatively weak foes (perhaps due to friendship). How would you scale him?

Iirc he one-shot SSB Goku in his default SS and he would use GGA against Beerus... Soooo Ultra Pinich (Base/'Default SS') = 10×Blue and GGA Ultra Pinich = 100×Blue?

Then, damn do I have to put Ultra Pinich up there with Mechikaboola and Hearts.

[DBZ Macky]

Just got my hands on the game and spent the entire last week finishing Dragon Ball Fusions, so this is a pretty neat coincidence.

Regular Ultra Pinich is definitely above Blue level, there's no doubt about that. Though somehow I didn't actually notice that he was in Super Saiyan form the whole time, so I had initially thought the gap between his regular state and Golden Great Ape form would be much higher.

That being said, there's a huge gap between Beerus and the God tier Saiyans, considering that even Base Gogeta seemed above SSG Goku in DBS: Broly, and went Blue to defeat a Broly who was only "maybe" stronger than Beerus.

There's a chance that Freeza and Cell simply underestimated Beerus's power or perhaps overestimated their own. If the Great Ape is indeed a 10x multiplier like it was in the Saiyan Arc, that's not gonna be enough if regular Ultra Pinich was just a little bit over Blue level.

It does seem that Ultra Pinich was much stronger than Blue though, considering we needed not only Blue Goku and Vegeta's Ki but also some of Beerus and Whis's Ki for the Genkidama to replicate Pinich's feat of opening the last rift. That alone could definitely imply that Ultra Pinich was approaching the GoDs level even without the Great Ape transformation.

Then, damn do I have to put Ultra Pinich up there with Mechikaboola and Hearts.

I do think that Great Ape Ultra Pinich is above Beerus, but let's not forget that while Ultra Pinich was boasting about saving the Ape Form for Beerus, Godslayer Hearts literally thought he could take on the Omni-King (even though it seemed pretty delusional lol).
I'd say Great Ape Ultra Pinich is above Beerus but only by a slight margin, perhaps around as strong as Broly.
Mechikabura and Hearts seem like they should be on a whole 'nother level compared to Beerus at the very least.

Which is still pretty impressive considering the game came out in 2016, where the only characters stronger than Ultra Pinich would back then be Whis and Vados (and Whirus if you want to count him).

[Grand Marshal 1]

Just got my hands on the game and spent the entire last week finishing Dragon Ball Fusions, so this is a pretty neat coincidence.

Regular Ultra Pinich is definitely above Blue level, there's no doubt about that. Though somehow I didn't actually notice that he was in Super Saiyan form the whole time, so I had initially thought the gap between his regular state and Golden Great Ape form would be much higher.

That being said, there's a huge gap between Beerus and the God tier Saiyans, considering that even Base Gogeta seemed above SSG Goku in DBS: Broly, and went Blue to defeat a Broly who was only "maybe" stronger than Beerus.

There's a chance that Freeza and Cell simply underestimated Beerus's power or perhaps overestimated their own. If the Great Ape is indeed a 10x multiplier like it was in the Saiyan Arc, that's not gonna be enough if regular Ultra Pinich was just a little bit over Blue level.

It does seem that Ultra Pinich was much stronger than Blue though, considering we needed not only Blue Goku and Vegeta's Ki but also some of Beerus and Whis's Ki for the Genkidama to replicate Pinich's feat of opening the last rift. That alone could definitely imply that Ultra Pinich was approaching the GoDs level even without the Great Ape transformation.

Then, damn do I have to put Ultra Pinich up there with Mechikaboola and Hearts.

I do think that Great Ape Ultra Pinich is above Beerus, but let's not forget that while Ultra Pinich was boasting about saving the Ape Form for Beerus, Godslayer Hearts literally thought he could take on the Omni-King (even though it seemed pretty delusional lol).
I'd say Great Ape Ultra Pinich is above Beerus but only by a slight margin, perhaps around as strong as Broly.
Mechikabura and Hearts seem like they should be on a whole 'nother level compared to Beerus at the very least.

Which is still pretty impressive considering the game came out in 2016, where the only characters stronger than Ultra Pinich would back then be Whis and Vados (and Whirus if you want to count him).

A neat coincidence indeed mate! Thx for sharing all this!

As for Great Ape Ultra Pinich, it's pretty much Golden Great Ape. I initially also believed that the gap would be bigger, but his 'Base' is already SS, so it boils down to what you said. Great Ape being 10×. Which could also be the case with Golden Great Ape on top of SS.

But you are definitely right on that. Ultra Pinich being the strongest for a while. Iirc Vegito Blue rivaling Beerus in the Manga, could be a decent comparison to where he could stand (seeing how he might have surpassed him).

But ig we don't know. I can see him doing both. Overestimating himself and underestimating Beerus. But I wouldn't put him far from Hearts and Mechikaboola tbh. Since both turned out to be somewhat equal or slightly superior to Blue Fusion/Xeno SS4 Fusion.

And I suppose normal Ultra Pinich being 10×Blue and his GGA 100×Blue fits well with all this (for me Godslayer Hearts and Power of Time Released Dark King Mechikaboola scale at ≈150×Blue).

Thoughts on Ultra Fusion? Apparently, no matter the participants, the result seems to always be the same, unless if I am wrong. And how much power could Whis and Beerus give to the Spirit Bomb I wonder. Ig enough for Ultra Fusion (perhaps relative to normal Ultra Pinich) to rival his GGA by absorbing the spirit bomb (should be a 10× too).

Finally, what do you think of Ultra Pinich's design?

[Mad Swami]

Pikkon (Otherworld tournament) vs Bojack

Janemba (First form) vs Hirdudagaurn

Janemba (Second form) vs Baby Vegeta SSJ1. If Janemba wins, then how about Baby Vegeta Final form?

The galaxy soldiers except for Bojack vs Perfect Cell and if they win, how about Super Perfect Cell?

Tapion vs Fu

[Koitsukai]

Pikkon (Otherworld tournament) vs Bojack

Janemba (First form) vs Hirdudagaurn

Janemba (Second form) vs Baby Vegeta SSJ1. If Janemba wins, then how about Baby Vegeta Final form?

The galaxy soldiers except for Bojack vs Perfect Cell and if they win, how about Super Perfect Cell?

Tapion vs Fu

1) Hirudegan. Fat Janemba isn't a match for a pre-Kaioshin-sacrifice SS3 Goku, while Hirudegan's first form needed post-Buu arc SS3 Gotenks to go down. Although Hirudegan's power level is inconsistent as hell.

2) Vegeta Baby. Janemba's final form doesn't stomp SS3 like Vegeta Baby stomped GT SS3 Goku. Janemba has to be somewhere around Super Buu and Gotenks. I always felt Super Buu would do just as good as Janemba against the saiyans.

3) Nobody can touch Perfect Cell, maybe not even Bojack.

4) Fuu. Even though I have no idea how strong are any of them, but Fuu hurt Cumber. Tapion never fought on-screen, I guess he is SS-SS2 level.

[DBZ Macky]

But you are definitely right on that. Ultra Pinich being the strongest for a while. Iirc Vegito Blue rivaling Beerus in the Manga, could be a decent comparison to where he could stand (seeing how he might have surpassed him).

Yeah, being around Zamasu Arc Vegetto Blue seems about right to me.

But ig we don't know. I can see him doing both. Overestimating himself and underestimating Beerus. But I wouldn't put him far from Hearts and Mechikaboola tbh. Since both turned out to be somewhat equal or slightly superior to Blue Fusion/Xeno SS4 Fusion.

I think Hearts and Mechikabura would be significantly stronger than a regular Blue Fusion/Xeno SS4 Fusion, though they could still be on the same realm of power, kind of like Saiyan Arc Goku VS Nappa. Even though SSB Gogeta might be a better fighter than Hearts, overpowering him in a straight up fight, he still needed help from Jiren and Hit in the beam struggle. That'd be close to a 2x gap if Jiren is on the same level as Gogeta Blue.

And Mechikabura's defeat was possible because they also had help from SSG Trunks who further had that Keyblade thingie, so he could be much stronger.

Thoughts on Ultra Fusion? Apparently, no matter the participants, the result seems to always be the same, unless if I am wrong. And how much power could Whis and Beerus give to the Spirit Bomb I wonder. Ig enough for Ultra Fusion (perhaps relative to normal Ultra Pinich) to rival his GGA by absorbing the spirit bomb (should be a 10× too).

Finally, what do you think of Ultra Pinich's design?

The appearance changes based on who initiates the fusion, but I wasn't able to find the exact in-game mechanics of how the power of the fusion is affected. IMO, initially Ultra Fusion should be below SSB level, considering we don't make Goku and Vegeta use their full power in the initial squabbles.

It's very possible that the Spirit Bomb had energy from not only Beerus and Whis, but also all the strongest characters like Champa, Vados and even the Great Saiyaman. Since it's stated that everyone shared a bit of their energy. That could definitely put our Ultra Fusion with the Spirit Bomb absorbed over regular Ultra Pinich and stronger than, say, a hypothetical SSG Vegetto.
Though it's also implied that we kinda only defeat the Great Ape Pinich because Pinich's influence was weakening the Fusion.
IMO it's something along the lines of:
Whis > GGA Ultra Pinich >= Beerus > Ultra Fusion Tekka (Spirit Bomb Absorbed) > Ultra Pinich >> SSB KKx10 Goku >> SSB Goku > Ultra Fusion Tekka

Also, Celluza should already logically be stronger than Golden Freeza (perhaps weaker than the yet to be seen "True Golden Freeza" though), so the five way fusion "Ultra Pinich" including Pinich and the other two kids should be far above Blue level.

I like Ultra Pinich design but I can see why someone else might not. It's definitely hella fan-ficy and is pretty much Super Android 13 with a tinge of Cell and Freeza. The only Pinich part about him is the belt. Overall 7/10 I suppose.

Pikkon (Otherworld tournament) vs Bojack

Janemba (First form) vs Hirdudagaurn

Janemba (Second form) vs Baby Vegeta SSJ1. If Janemba wins, then how about Baby Vegeta Final form?

The galaxy soldiers except for Bojack vs Perfect Cell and if they win, how about Super Perfect Cell?

Tapion vs Fu

1. Transformed Bojack should take this imo. There was a visible gap between Goku and Gohan in the Cell Games, to the point that the cast acknowledged that "Yeah, Gohan is stronger than Goku". And Bojack was already giving that Gohan trouble without transforming.

2. Hirudegarn. Fat Janemba could perhaps put up a better fight against Hirudegarn's halves and maybe the initial form, but no chance against its final form.

3. Baby Vegeta takes this easily. Not only is there the whole thing with Rilldo being stronger than Mr. Buu at the very least, but also the fact that Baby Vegeta's Strongest Form 1 was stated to be the strongest Ki Goku ever felt, arguably pegging him above Super Vegetto.
That alone makes even regular SS Baby Vegeta much stronger than Super Janemba.

4. They could take on Super Saiyan Gohan by ganging up on him, so they give Cell a good fight. Cell being borderline immortal thanks to his regeneration and his vast array of techniques don't do them any favor though and he ends up winning. Not to mention he could just grab a snack and shit out his Cell Juniors to deal with them. No chance against Super Perfect Cell.

5. Bruh moment for Tapion. Even though the whole "deflecting opponents' Ki blast" thing is very inconsistent, Fu still deflected a blast from SS4 Xeno Goku and always felt in control. Even if Tapion can attack twice with his Brave Sword, it might not even damage Fu.

----------New Fights----------

1. Piccolo and Goku VS Raditz from the Manga/Anime except:
-Raditz doesn't underestimate his opponents, but is in no hurry to kill them either.
-Piccolo can't use the Makankosappo but has access to all other attacks he can use in the series, even future ones like the Hellzone Grenade.
-Same goes for Goku who can use all future techniques including Instantaneous movement etc. but both of them still have the same Ki capacity as they did back then, so he can't just go around throwing Super Kamehamehas willy nilly. The Mafuba is allowed only if nothing else works, but Goku can die if it fails depending on your interpretation of how the attack works.

2. The Dragon Team VS Mecha Freeza & King Cold from the Manga/Anime except:
-Freeza's entire army is present, including however many thousands of soldiers he had on and off-Namek, including the dead guys like the Ginyu Force and Zarbon/Dodoria.
-Freeza doesn't step in until his army is defeated. Cold doesn't step in until Freeza is defeated.
-Goku arrives when Freeza begins to fight but can't transform into a Super Saiyan. Assume Goku used the Genki-Dama to mess up Freeza on Namek.
-The Dragon Team has access to all their techniques from the series, only restricted by their Ki capacity at the time. Mafuba is allowed but I can see Cold freeing Freeza if he gets sealed.
-All the other fighters from before this point in the story join in to help the Dragon Team in an Avengers: Endgame-like scenario, including the Tenkaichi Budokai fighters like Nam, Fortuneteller Baba's fighters like the Devilman, Baba even brings back the dead for one day since the Earth is at danger. The fight is broadcasted live by Jimmy Firecracker.
-If all else fails from the Dragon Team's side, let Dr. Gero join in with his prototype Androids. Open to your interpretation how advanced his technology was at that time. Bring in the newly revived Red Ribbon Army to help him out if you want. Whether Commander Red or Black is the de-facto leader is up to your imagination.
-If Freeza/Cold feel pressured, they can try blowing up the planet. Though if you ask me, that leaves them pretty open to a Mafuba/Devilmite Beam.

3. Perfect Cell VS Mr. Satan from the Manga/Anime except:
-Cell is actually as strong as a regular human and uses tricks to do the stuff he does.
-Cell still can do stuff like regenerating from a single Cell and fly, but it's based on some other logic that you're free to come up with.

[Grand Marshal 1]

I think Hearts and Mechikabura would be significantly stronger than a regular Blue Fusion/Xeno SS4 Fusion, though they could still be on the same realm of power, kind of like Saiyan Arc Goku VS Nappa. Even though SSB Gogeta might be a better fighter than Hearts, overpowering him in a straight up fight, he still needed help from Jiren and Hit in the beam struggle. That'd be close to a 2x gap if Jiren is on the same level as Gogeta Blue.

And Mechikabura's defeat was possible because they also had help from SSG Trunks who further had that Keyblade thingie, so he could be much stronger.

Ig that checks out. Since we do have KK Blue and KK SS4 Xeno fusion to reach that realm of power. Although I do question, why neither XVegito nor Gogeta used KK against their enemies (even if according to what happened neither ever used the KK, but since 1 fusion can do it both should).

God XTrunks def was above any Super Saiyan God. And on top of that the Keyblade did weaken Mechikaboola's darkness.

Whis > GGA Ultra Pinich >= Beerus > Ultra Fusion Tekka (Spirit Bomb Absorbed) > Ultra Pinich >> SSB KKx10 Goku >> SSB Goku > Ultra Fusion Tekka

Yeah I agree with this. For me Beerus, is somewhere near 50 to 70 times stronger than SSB. 70 times would make sense, as it would compare him to FP Jiren (would push him that far) and pretty much 3rd Omen Goku. FP SS Broly too (75×Blue). Ig GGA Ultra Pinich should be around +100×Blue.

And as for the Ultra Fusion, despite the possibility of the Spirit Bomb being op, I think it scales better as below Beerus. Likely around 60×Blue.

----------New Fights----------

1. Piccolo and Goku VS Raditz from the Manga/Anime except:
-Raditz doesn't underestimate his opponents, but is in no hurry to kill them either.
-Piccolo can't use the Makankosappo but has access to all other attacks he can use in the series, even future ones like the Hellzone Grenade.
-Same goes for Goku who can use all future techniques including Instantaneous movement etc. but both of them still have the same Ki capacity as they did back then, so he can't just go around throwing Super Kamehamehas willy nilly. The Mafuba is allowed only if nothing else works, but Goku can die if it fails depending on your interpretation of how the attack works.

2. The Dragon Team VS Mecha Freeza & King Cold from the Manga/Anime except:
-Freeza's entire army is present, including however many thousands of soldiers he had on and off-Namek, including the dead guys like the Ginyu Force and Zarbon/Dodoria.
-Freeza doesn't step in until his army is defeated. Cold doesn't step in until Freeza is defeated.
-Goku arrives when Freeza begins to fight but can't transform into a Super Saiyan. Assume Goku used the Genki-Dama to mess up Freeza on Namek.
-The Dragon Team has access to all their techniques from the series, only restricted by their Ki capacity at the time. Mafuba is allowed but I can see Cold freeing Freeza if he gets sealed.
-All the other fighters from before this point in the story join in to help the Dragon Team in an Avengers: Endgame-like scenario, including the Tenkaichi Budokai fighters like Nam, Fortuneteller Baba's fighters like the Devilman, Baba even brings back the dead for one day since the Earth is at danger. The fight is broadcasted live by Jimmy Firecracker.
-If all else fails from the Dragon Team's side, let Dr. Gero join in with his prototype Androids. Open to your interpretation how advanced his technology was at that time. Bring in the newly revived Red Ribbon Army to help him out if you want. Whether Commander Red or Black is the de-facto leader is up to your imagination.
-If Freeza/Cold feel pressured, they can try blowing up the planet. Though if you ask me, that leaves them pretty open to a Mafuba/Devilmite Beam.

3. Perfect Cell VS Mr. Satan from the Manga/Anime except:
-Cell is actually as strong as a regular human and uses tricks to do the stuff he does.
-Cell still can do stuff like regenerating from a single Cell and fly, but it's based on some other logic that you're free to come up with.

1)Raditz being more careful sure gives him the edge early on. But even if Goku and Piccolo have the same energy capacity, their future skills are a bit too broken imo. For an opponent of this tier at least. Raditz isn't some fighting genius. So hax>power. And Goku may not die.

2)I don't know how much the second and third tier fighters can fight Freeza And Cold. But wit the enemy armies present, they definitely have a RoF showdown, which probably ends in their favor. The Ginyu force may be a little problematic, but they lose eventually. Freeza and Cold may get stressed and slap some fighters down. Prototype androids may not be needed. But is FTrunks in the game as a SS? If not, Freeza will never give Goku enough time to make a spirit bomb, but if that defeated him on Namek, he may actually be weaker in this iteration. For the reasons above, the death of someone may trigger Goku and turn him into SS and if he can't finish of the enemy duo (no one else can) they can try the mafuba, while an enraged Freeza and Cold prepare some planet buster. Frost had to learn the mafuba by at least watching it. So at least one gets sealed, probably Cold as you said. But Goku gets the opening needed to kill Freeza.

3)This would then look like SS Goku vs Perfect Cell, but on Satan's league lol. Cell will have the capacity to win, but Satan may or may not be stronger. Given this is someone he can handle, I think that his pride in doing something real for once, would allow him to win.

—Question—

How strong do you think God Fusion is? Basically a spirit bomb fusion (via the dance) with a single individual. Imo it should be at least 2×full power Legendary SSG Broly, who should be at least 4 times stronger than Goku Blue or Vegeta Blue (since he soloed both). Roughly 10 times basically.

Unless you believe differently, God Fusion Goku Blue KK×20, would be a match for actual Blue fusion?

[Koitsukai]

----------New Fights----------

1. Piccolo and Goku VS Raditz from the Manga/Anime except:
-Raditz doesn't underestimate his opponents, but is in no hurry to kill them either.
-Piccolo can't use the Makankosappo but has access to all other attacks he can use in the series, even future ones like the Hellzone Grenade.
-Same goes for Goku who can use all future techniques including Instantaneous movement etc. but both of them still have the same Ki capacity as they did back then, so he can't just go around throwing Super Kamehamehas willy nilly. The Mafuba is allowed only if nothing else works, but Goku can die if it fails depending on your interpretation of how the attack works.

2. The Dragon Team VS Mecha Freeza & King Cold from the Manga/Anime except:
-Freeza's entire army is present, including however many thousands of soldiers he had on and off-Namek, including the dead guys like the Ginyu Force and Zarbon/Dodoria.
-Freeza doesn't step in until his army is defeated. Cold doesn't step in until Freeza is defeated.
-Goku arrives when Freeza begins to fight but can't transform into a Super Saiyan. Assume Goku used the Genki-Dama to mess up Freeza on Namek.
-The Dragon Team has access to all their techniques from the series, only restricted by their Ki capacity at the time. Mafuba is allowed but I can see Cold freeing Freeza if he gets sealed.
-All the other fighters from before this point in the story join in to help the Dragon Team in an Avengers: Endgame-like scenario, including the Tenkaichi Budokai fighters like Nam, Fortuneteller Baba's fighters like the Devilman, Baba even brings back the dead for one day since the Earth is at danger. The fight is broadcasted live by Jimmy Firecracker.
-If all else fails from the Dragon Team's side, let Dr. Gero join in with his prototype Androids. Open to your interpretation how advanced his technology was at that time. Bring in the newly revived Red Ribbon Army to help him out if you want. Whether Commander Red or Black is the de-facto leader is up to your imagination.
-If Freeza/Cold feel pressured, they can try blowing up the planet. Though if you ask me, that leaves them pretty open to a Mafuba/Devilmite Beam.

3. Perfect Cell VS Mr. Satan from the Manga/Anime except:
-Cell is actually as strong as a regular human and uses tricks to do the stuff he does.
-Cell still can do stuff like regenerating from a single Cell and fly, but it's based on some other logic that you're free to come up with.

1) I think Goku and Piccolo can do it even without the Makankosappo with a slight change of tactics. If Piccolo goes for the tail instead of Goku, they are homefree. Even if Goku's kamehameha isn't enough, it should damage Raditz enough to let Piccolo keep him occupied until Goku can manage a genki dama. A small one should do it, so Piccolo wouldn't even need to fight Raditz for that long.

2) So, basically the Cooler movie but with Freeza and Cold and their army instead. Nice. Also I assume no Trunks.
The Z avenger thing sounds awesome. The people from DB could definitely help Tenshinhan, Krilin, Yamcha, Yajirobe and Chaozu. Bora, Upa, Nam, King Chappa, the Mummy.
Vegeta, Piccolo and Gohan could easily take care of the high ranking officers, leaving Goku fresh enough to face Mecha Freeza.
Goku would lose to Mecha Freeza, not as bad as in Namek due to the zenkai that shortened the gap, but still not a match. Everyone else should be outclassed too.
The androids would definitely help tilt the scale. They should at least be as strong as Namek KKx20 Goku, if not stronger, considering 3 years later they would be stronger than android saga SS Goku. 17 and 18 together would be like fighting a super saiyan. Freeza dies, and King Cold too. If he doesn't escape when nobody is watching.

3) Mr. Satan beats the shit out of Cell. A regular man is still weaker than a TB competitor, and Mr. Satan is the world champion. The fight is finished when Mr. Satan cuts the ropes that made Cell look like he was flying. Mr. Satan sends Cell to jail.

Pikkon (Otherworld tournament) vs Bojack

I always miss the first one.

Don't ask me how it works, but Goku went SSKK vs Paikuhan for a moment. And because we are comparing two Toei characters, I guess this made up power up counts, so SSKK should be like SS2 because kaioken doubles the user's power, just like SS2 does to SS. Gohan's fist went right through Bojack, so I guess Paikuhan can handle that kind of power better, even if Gohan was stronger than Goku.