"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[pepd]

Imagine Vegeta learned Foresight lmaoo

It could be something like consciously reading the opponent's spirit/ki, pretty much the opposite of UI. Still needs to relate to the training we saw in Yādrat tho

[Mister_Popo]

A non-conventional battle would be nice for a change, where it more or less comes down to 'who has the most manipulation / control over Ki', and classic martial arts is of a lesser importance.

[GodVegetto91]

A non-conventional battle would be nice for a change, where it more or less comes down to 'who has the most manipulation / control over Ki', and classic martial arts is of a lesser importance.

That IS martial arts. Ki control.

[Mister_Popo]

A non-conventional battle would be nice for a change, where it more or less comes down to 'who has the most manipulation / control over Ki', and classic martial arts is of a lesser importance.

That IS martial arts. Ki control.

The Yardrats and Moro use techniques that enhance them as an opponent, but they aren't naturally gifted martial artists like Goku or Vegeta.
Moro could probably even be a weakling if it wasn't for his absorbing abilities.
I don't think Moro can be beaten that way by Goku nor Vegeta, Vegeta has learned a technique that made him stronger as a fighter but that will not do the trick alone: it gives him the opportunity to manipulate, that's were it's about, just like Moro, in order to beat him with comparable arms (as youself and others already mentionned). I'll hope they show it that way: more like a technique than a power-up.

[Dragon Wukong]

That IS martial arts. Ki control.

Ki control isn't equivalent to physical combat, no more than a Kamehameha is the same thing as a punch.

[GodVegetto91]

A non-conventional battle would be nice for a change, where it more or less comes down to 'who has the most manipulation / control over Ki', and classic martial arts is of a lesser importance.

That IS martial arts. Ki control.

The Yardrats and Moro use techniques that enhance them as an opponent, but they aren't naturally gifted martial artists like Goku or Vegeta.
Moro could probably even be a weakling if it wasn't for his absorbing abilities.
I don't think Moro can be beaten that way by Goku nor Vegeta, Vegeta has learned a technique that made him stronger as a fighter but that will not do the trick alone: it gives him the opportunity to manipulate, that's were it's about, just like Moro, in order to beat him with comparable arms (as youself and others already mentionned). I'll hope they show it that way: more like a technique than a power-up.

Ah, I was thinking more along the lines of Mr. Popo’s training back in Dragon Ball. Where Goku learned to sense and manipulate ki through various training rituals such as meditation. Mr. Popo heavily implied/stated that it would make Goku a far better fighter. And far more effective in creating victory on the battlefield.

[Femme Fatale Kikaza]

Whatever it is, just make sure Moro doesn't pull some stupid magic nonsense that he's never displayed before and screw things up without an explanation. I do not want Vegeta to be running circles around Moro only for Moro to use some ancient trump card to turn the tables at the last second and use 7-3 as an overkill to ensure they all get fucked.

And if Merus says screw it and oneshots Moro I'm going to rip my damn ears off for previously stated reasons.

[GodVegetto91]

Precog sounds too much like UI, even if they’re different. So not a big fan. As for Vegeta stealing Moro’s energy draining ability, Am not a fan of that either. It goes too much against Vegeta’s character to cheat his way out by stealing a persons energy and making himself stronger out of it in the process. He wants to beat an opponent with HIS OWN ABILITIES. So ofcourse he may need some cheat ability to overcome Moro if Moro is really superior to him. But absorbing his energy ain’t the ideal one. I’d like him to hijack and manipulate Moro’s ki through spiritual subliminal pursuasion to make him do his bidding, where all of Moro’s movements will be totally under Vegeta’s control, even if Moro’s stronger. So he can make Moro miss Vegeta with his attacks, and instead attack himself!

[Xeogran]

People forget that Seventhree is under Shimorekka's care now. And the latter saw his comrades losing and being arrested again. Maybe things will take a different turn and they stop obeying Moro

[Noitsnothim]

People forget that Seventhree is under Shimorekka's care now. And the latter saw his comrades losing and being arrested again. Maybe things will take a different turn and they stop obeying Moro

Doubt it Moro saved seventhree and looks at him as a secret weapon in case things go south for him which will most likely happen since Vegeta will have the upper hand this chapter unless moro has a super form in hiding

I can see a situation where Moro does the whole ginyu body swap with Seventhree and escapes to a different universe (U6)

[Femme Fatale Kikaza]

People forget that Seventhree is under Shimorekka's care now. And the latter saw his comrades losing and being arrested again. Maybe things will take a different turn and they stop obeying Moro

Doubt it Moro saved seventhree and looks at him as a secret weapon in case things go south for him which will most likely happen since Vegeta will have the upper hand this chapter unless moro has a super form in hiding

I can see a situation where Moro does the whole ginyu body swap with Seventhree and escapes to a different universe (U6)

If Moro somehow manages to escape I'd be like, well hope U6 doesn't get fucked because every mortal is going to die against Moro at that point. If Moro gets that far someone needs to intervene because Moro pulling the same stunt he did earlier would just make things get out of hand.

[Zelvin]

I have to say I have not been a fan of this entire arc. Not only has this been running way too long, but it all started with resetting the team back to zero again just to have them re-learn the same lessons they've already learned ten times over by now. Toyotaro placing all this importance on meditation training and showcasing the Yardret's early techniques as something special, when it's all things Piccolo has done since the 23rd Budokai. Yet Piccolo isn't treated as being super OP despite the fact he's meditating all the time as part of his training. Far more than anyone else in the series.

The villain is just an MLP character injected into King Piccolo and pulling the pirate shenanigans from Bojack. Seven-Three I just find to be absolutely bullshit. Keeps getting the drop on everyone, every time, and just happens to have an infinite energy reactor and regeneration? He's basically just Cell without a personality. The rest of the crew being a threat at all to the other Z-fighters is absolute nonsense. Guys in prison cells for an indeterminate period are strong enough to compete against a team of fighters who were capable of engaging the strongest fighters in the Multiverse? Sorry, but that's just really shitty writing.

I won't say it''s all terrible. Gohan and Piccolo combining skills to beat Seven-Three and tagging in 17&18 when 7-3 switches to Moro's power is great team tactics. But all that gets thrown away when Saganbo gets a bullshit upgrade from Moro and steamrolls the entire cast. That's just wholesale lifted from Revival of [F] with Tagoma whose repeated training and beatings by Freeza raised him up from being at the level of Zarbon to being strong enough to beat down on Piccolo and Gohan. Even moreso when Ginyu takes over his body.

And then the MVP's show up and the mini-boss gets nuked with no real problems. Way to go. You took ideas from everyone else without doing anything new. Sorry, but this is just infuriating to me. Especially since Toyotaro rushed ahead and now Goku can use UI Sign whenever he wants and now Vegeta is OP as fuck. To me it looks like he's trying to make Broly irrelevant to the future of the series by making the main two Saiyans more powerful than our good boy Hulk, so that there's no reason to revisit him ever again.

I am just not a fan of Toyotaro. It started out ok. Majin Buu seemed to be doing well. Making him relevant. Bringing back the Daikaio to help bring the old goat wizard to justice...and then completely wasting all of that and leaving out Buu entirely from the whole rest of the arc. Fuck anything interesting or any actual character development. This shit needs to get dragged out for as long as possible. At least until the next DBS movie is ready.

[Femme Fatale Kikaza]

I have to say I have not been a fan of this entire arc. Not only has this been running way too long, but it all started with resetting the team back to zero again just to have them re-learn the same lessons they've already learned ten times over by now. Toyotaro placing all this importance on meditation training and showcasing the Yardret's early techniques as something special, when it's all things Piccolo has done since the 23rd Budokai. Yet Piccolo isn't treated as being super OP despite the fact he's meditating all the time as part of his training. Far more than anyone else in the series.

The villain is just an MLP character injected into King Piccolo and pulling the pirate shenanigans from Bojack. Seven-Three I just find to be absolutely bullshit. Keeps getting the drop on everyone, every time, and just happens to have an infinite energy reactor and regeneration? He's basically just Cell without a personality. The rest of the crew being a threat at all to the other Z-fighters is absolute nonsense. Guys in prison cells for an indeterminate period are strong enough to compete against a team of fighters who were capable of engaging the strongest fighters in the Multiverse? Sorry, but that's just really shitty writing.

I won't say it''s all terrible. Gohan and Piccolo combining skills to beat Seven-Three and tagging in 17&18 when 7-3 switches to Moro's power is great team tactics. But all that gets thrown away when Saganbo gets a bullshit upgrade from Moro and steamrolls the entire cast. That's just wholesale lifted from Revival of [F] with Tagoma whose repeated training and beatings by Freeza raised him up from being at the level of Zarbon to being strong enough to beat down on Piccolo and Gohan. Even moreso when Ginyu takes over his body.

And then the MVP's show up and the mini-boss gets nuked with no real problems. Way to go. You took ideas from everyone else without doing anything new. Sorry, but this is just infuriating to me. Especially since Toyotaro rushed ahead and now Goku can use UI Sign whenever he wants and now Vegeta is OP as fuck. To me it looks like he's trying to make Broly irrelevant to the future of the series by making the main two Saiyans more powerful than our good boy Hulk, so that there's no reason to revisit him ever again.

I am just not a fan of Toyotaro. It started out ok. Majin Buu seemed to be doing well. Making him relevant. Bringing back the Daikaio to help bring the old goat wizard to justice...and then completely wasting all of that and leaving out Buu entirely from the whole rest of the arc. Fuck anything interesting or any actual character development. This shit needs to get dragged out for as long as possible. At least until the next DBS movie is ready.

Maybe Moro gave his goons a bit of boost, justifying them being a threat to the Z fighters, but I agree, this arc has been dragging itself out for a while and there are like fifty characters involved and they're trying to shove them all in. I dislike Buu falling back to sleep as its annoying for the one moment he's needed he decides to go night night for a long period of time. Seriously, Buu is way too unreliable and they need a way to prevent him from sleeping for long periods of time after this arc concludes.

Moro personality wise is about is the equivalent of a block of wood to me. I just hope they don't make it anti climatic where Merus jumps in or they fuse together.

[GodVegetto91]

I have to say I have not been a fan of this entire arc. Not only has this been running way too long, but it all started with resetting the team back to zero again just to have them re-learn the same lessons they've already learned ten times over by now. Toyotaro placing all this importance on meditation training and showcasing the Yardret's early techniques as something special, when it's all things Piccolo has done since the 23rd Budokai. Yet Piccolo isn't treated as being super OP despite the fact he's meditating all the time as part of his training. Far more than anyone else in the series.

The villain is just an MLP character injected into King Piccolo and pulling the pirate shenanigans from Bojack. Seven-Three I just find to be absolutely bullshit. Keeps getting the drop on everyone, every time, and just happens to have an infinite energy reactor and regeneration? He's basically just Cell without a personality. The rest of the crew being a threat at all to the other Z-fighters is absolute nonsense. Guys in prison cells for an indeterminate period are strong enough to compete against a team of fighters who were capable of engaging the strongest fighters in the Multiverse? Sorry, but that's just really shitty writing.

I won't say it''s all terrible. Gohan and Piccolo combining skills to beat Seven-Three and tagging in 17&18 when 7-3 switches to Moro's power is great team tactics. But all that gets thrown away when Saganbo gets a bullshit upgrade from Moro and steamrolls the entire cast. That's just wholesale lifted from Revival of [F] with Tagoma whose repeated training and beatings by Freeza raised him up from being at the level of Zarbon to being strong enough to beat down on Piccolo and Gohan. Even moreso when Ginyu takes over his body.

And then the MVP's show up and the mini-boss gets nuked with no real problems. Way to go. You took ideas from everyone else without doing anything new. Sorry, but this is just infuriating to me. Especially since Toyotaro rushed ahead and now Goku can use UI Sign whenever he wants and now Vegeta is OP as fuck. To me it looks like he's trying to make Broly irrelevant to the future of the series by making the main two Saiyans more powerful than our good boy Hulk, so that there's no reason to revisit him ever again.

I am just not a fan of Toyotaro. It started out ok. Majin Buu seemed to be doing well. Making him relevant. Bringing back the Daikaio to help bring the old goat wizard to justice...and then completely wasting all of that and leaving out Buu entirely from the whole rest of the arc. Fuck anything interesting or any actual character development. This shit needs to get dragged out for as long as possible. At least until the next DBS movie is ready.

I know. But I think it’s about Vegeta having that much insane potential. And he’s trained all his life with a huge handicap. Before coming to Yardrat, he already had SSBE. Despite being completely messed up. His spirit power was really low! And since his body and spirit were so off balance all this time, he was never able to make use of his own build up inner power properly. But now he can. Spirit Control was the missing link in Vegeta’s evolution. It was the one thing missing. The one thing he needed to overcome his limits. That’s why he gained so much power in such a short amount of time.

So while all the other characters may have had very good levels of Spirit Control, all of them have much lower potential than Vegeta. And were already well balanced from the start. Vegeta literally reached SSJ Blue Evolution levels of power WITHOUT any Spirit Control. That is one impressive feat!

I wonder what would happen if Broly ever got Spirit Control training.. He’d be able to beat even the freaking Grand Priest!

[TheSaiyanGod]

Maybe Moro gave his goons a bit of boost, justifying them being a threat to the Z fighters

Moro increased the powers of his henchmen, this is shown in Namek. Before that, Moro's main henchman was weaker than Kid Trunks. That's the only reason they are a threat to the Z Fighters.

Btw, Saganbo was basically a tool to show how strong Moro became after 2 months, as he transformed a fodder into Blue tier with just a little bit of his energy

[Noitsnothim]

Maybe Moro gave his goons a bit of boost, justifying them being a threat to the Z fighters

Moro increased the powers of his henchmen, this is shown in Namek. Before that, Moro's main henchman was weaker than Kid Trunks. That's the only reason they are a threat to the Z Fighters.

Btw, Saganbo was basically a tool to show how strong Moro became after 2 months, as he transformed a fodder into Blue tier with just a little bit of his energy

I feel like Moro's henchmen would have been more interesting had they already been strong from the get go or at least in similar power to The Z-warriors without help from Moro

[Femme Fatale Kikaza]

Maybe Moro gave his goons a bit of boost, justifying them being a threat to the Z fighters

Moro increased the powers of his henchmen, this is shown in Namek. Before that, Moro's main henchman was weaker than Kid Trunks. That's the only reason they are a threat to the Z Fighters.

Btw, Saganbo was basically a tool to show how strong Moro became after 2 months, as he transformed a fodder into Blue tier with just a little bit of his energy

I feel like Moro's henchmen would have been more interesting had they already been strong from the get go or at least in similar power to The Z-warriors without help from Moro

Yeah, honestly I would've preferred if they made them more stronger so they don't look like minor threats that can be maneuvered around with a bit of effort. Maybe when the anime comes out of this they'll make them more worthwhile fighters instead of requiring Moro to amp them up to stand a chance.

[Noitsnothim]

Don't know if I've shared this before but with the new chapter that's about to come out I'm excited to see the evolution of Vegeta
It could potentially be glorious

[TheSaiyanGod]

Maybe Moro gave his goons a bit of boost, justifying them being a threat to the Z fighters

Moro increased the powers of his henchmen, this is shown in Namek. Before that, Moro's main henchman was weaker than Kid Trunks. That's the only reason they are a threat to the Z Fighters.

Btw, Saganbo was basically a tool to show how strong Moro became after 2 months, as he transformed a fodder into Blue tier with just a little bit of his energy

I feel like Moro's henchmen would have been more interesting had they already been strong from the get go or at least in similar power to The Z-warriors without help from Moro

I wouldn't mind if these prisoners were already strong before Moro's boost. But I remember at the time seeing several people complaining after Saganbo one shot SSJ3 Goku saying that if the Galactic Patrol couldn't even deal with Freeza, it wouldn't make sense for the prisoners to be so strong. Well, it's not totally wrong

Don't know if I've shared this before but with the new chapter that's about to come out I'm excited to see the evolution of Vegeta
It could potentially be glorious

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[Noitsnothim]

how about now??