"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[TheSaiyanGod]

how about now??

Now it's working. Did you edit this image? It's a very interesting summary of Vegeta's evolution during the manga. Since the name of chapter 61 is Vegeta reborn, I imagine that Post Yardrat training will be a very different version of Vegeta, power and combat-wise. I am also interested to see his level against an GoD tier enemy

[Noitsnothim]

I just remembered I had this one stored away in an image file because I liked how well it points out certain differences with the anime and manga in terms of how they each individually portray Toriyama's outlines (Scripts or whatever)

[GodVegetto91]

how about now??

This is actually a pretty good summary. I have yet to find a flaw, and that’s rare for me. I especially liked that you decided to make sure to add the fact that when Vegeta showed off his new Spirit Control powers, he still had 2 additional months of training left. Very important plot point for people to understand.

[Noitsnothim]

Spoiler:

Vegeta slowly gains the advantage over Moro, Moro calls saiyans the best cattle of the universe because they keep coming back with more energy for him to eat but pushing it any further would be risky so he will finish "cooking" Vegeta and consume Earth and all his inhabitants.
-Krillin and Roshi arrive and ask Goku about the situation, Goku explains Vegeta has been able to teleport "once" but apparently mastered a more advanced technique in planet Yardrat, Krillin asks if he knows about the technique but Goku says he only knows about one thing that could affect Moro and there's no way Vegeta learned something that hard to control.
-Moro thanks Vegeta again and starts absorbing his energy but Vegeta smiles and throws a ki blast at him, which Moro eats but then he starts puking blood and bile. Goku recognizes the technique and Roshi and Krillin get dizzy and ask him what's happening.
-Goku says the yardratians can manipulate their ki to make it inherently hazardous, increasing its destructive power. Even the normal ki emission of a yardratian can slowly corrode and kill attackers close to them but the risk of damaging allies too is so high only the most skilled yardratian, the elder, is allowed to use the technique.

Unsure if any this is real so take all of this with a grain of salt however this is what I would like to see!!!

[Matches Malone]

Unsure if any this is real so take all of this with a grain of salt however this is what I would like to see!!!

V-Jump will release on the 19th, meaning that leaks should start today or tomorrow. Fake leaks tend to exaggerate things, which doesn't seem to be the case here, so these could be real.

[Noitsnothim]

Unsure if any this is real so take all of this with a grain of salt however this is what I would like to see!!!

V-Jump will release on the 19th, meaning that leaks should start today or tomorrow. Fake leaks tend to exaggerate things, which doesn't seem to be the case here, so these could be real.

Spoiler:

Moro asks Vegeta what trick is he using and Vegeta points at him and says this cattle is "poisoned". Goku can't believe someone with a ki as massive as Vegeta can use the technique without killing all earthlings on the planet in the process.
-Krillin says they have no senzus for Goku but looks like they will be fine now (here there's a page with Yajirobe in a city finishing a few prisoners but he's too injured after the fight, he was planning to show up and give Goku the only senzu they harvested but he can't drive there now). Goku corrects Krillin saying he still feels Moro's confidence and murduous intent, then Moro smiles at him and says "now"
-Seventhree grabs Goku's neck and Roshi and Krillin attack him but Shimorekka appears too and kicks them away, Vegeta attacks Shimorekka and Seventhree but Seventhree dodges it, Gohan and Piccolo realize Seventhree has copied Goku's moves. Seventhree starts draining Vegeta and he throws another ki blast at him but Seventhree eats him just fine, Moro smiles and says he has "artificial men" in his troops too and Vegeta can't poison them.
-Last page shows Buu is awake in the lookout ready to fly to the battlefield while Satan tries to stop him, but someone (the panel doesn't show who but Satan is scared of him) says "Finally awake? Let's go then" while Vegeta falls on his knees and returns to his base form

Here's more I'm really intrigued by this direction if all of this is true

[Noitsnothim]

Spoiler:

Goku calls the technique スピリットの酸影 (spiritual toxic shadow) but the 酸 in toxic shadow (酸影) is read as chi so it's more like "dispersion of spirit"

Read at your own possible risk (If all that I shared is true)

[GodVegetto91]

Is it from a reliable source? That should give you a better idea as to the truth value of these “spoilers”.

[GodVegetto91]

Spoiler:

Goku calls the technique スピリットの酸影 (spiritual toxic shadow) but the 酸 in toxic shadow (酸影) is read as chi so it's more like "dispersion of spirit"

Read at your own possible risk (If all that I shared is true)

You haven’t provided a source. Please do. Also, is it destructive? Or poisonous? Because these are 2 different things.

[Noitsnothim]

Spoiler:

Goku calls the technique スピリットの酸影 (spiritual toxic shadow) but the 酸 in toxic shadow (酸影) is read as chi so it's more like "dispersion of spirit"

Read at your own possible risk (If all that I shared is true)

You haven’t provided a source. Please do. Also, is it destructive? Or poisonous? Because these are 2 different things.

I don't have a "Source" per se, I discovered all this on a image board thread that's why I said earlier that I am unsure about all of this is being true however this isn't as exaggerated as the other ones that I have read so let's wait until scans come out

I'm hoping it's true because the direction in this chapter is pretty good even for Toyotaro's writing standards (Unless Toriyama helped)

[Noitsnothim]

Is it from a reliable source? That should give you a better idea as to the truth value of these “spoilers”.

I put spoiler just in case these do turn out to be true don't want to upset anyone and would rather have them read at their own expense

[GodVegetto91]

Spoiler:

Goku calls the technique スピリットの酸影 (spiritual toxic shadow) but the 酸 in toxic shadow (酸影) is read as chi so it's more like "dispersion of spirit"

Read at your own possible risk (If all that I shared is true)

You haven’t provided a source. Please do. Also, is it destructive? Or poisonous? Because these are 2 different things.

I don't have a "Source" per se, I discovered all this on a image board thread that's why I said earlier that I am unsure about all of this is being true however this isn't as exaggerated as the other ones that I have read so let's wait until scans come out

I'm hoping it's true because the direction in this chapter is pretty good even for Toyotaro's writing standards (Unless Toriyama helped)

They certainly don’t seem exaggerated at all like most other “fake spoilers”. So these ones could very well be true. And if true, this arc may go on for longer than we thought if my theory is really correct and Moro goes to the Kaioshin realm to eat all of that.

[Grand Marshal 1]

Spoiler:

this is all indeed, very interesting. It also opens up a new realm of possibilities with Ki. We got the Spirit and now we learn that it can somehow help to maybe 'poison' the energy absorbed by Moro? Is corrupted Ki or corrupted genki going to be a thing? This info is excellent for theorycrafting lol. Buu being finally awake would be great, now who could be with him? Maybe a separated Daikaioshin? Some surprise third act character?

Assuming it's all true, this may be exactly the chapter I could have hoped for.

[Matches Malone]

The only thing that makes me question these is the pacing, it's too fast compared to what we've been getting lately.

Here's more I'm really intrigued by this direction if all of this is true

Spoiler:

It doesn't seem like Vegeta lost, but rather gave up due to having to fight Moro on top of his men. I think he'll get back up once Buu and whoever he's talking to arrive. The mysterious man might be the Supreme Kai. With 7-3 going after Goku instead, it seems like Vegeta's chances of getting the big win are still present, assuming he's allowed to fight Moro 1 on 1.

[GodVegetto91]

The only thing that makes me question these is the pacing, it's too fast compared to what we've been getting lately.

Here's more I'm really intrigued by this direction if all of this is true

Spoiler:

It doesn't seem like Vegeta lost, but rather gave up due to having to fight Moro on top of his men. I think he'll get back up once Buu and whoever he's talking to arrive. The mysterious man might be the Supreme Kai. With 7-3 going after Goku instead, it seems like Vegeta's chances of getting the big win are still present, assuming he's allowed to fight Moro 1 on 1.

I think the first new thing happens around 50% of the chapter. Meaning, Vegeta is fighting Moro and slowly gaining the advantage for the first half of the chapter, and then all the other stuff happens in the second half of the chapter. That’s just my take on it.

[Alruneia]

while Vegeta falls on his knees

The anon did a good job with this one overall, but using the Vegeta kneeling meme was a bit too obvious here. It would've been fairly believable otherwise, but... yeah, nah, not this time.

[Matches Malone]

The anon did a good job with this one overall, but using the Vegeta kneeling meme was a bit too obvious here. It would've been fairly believable otherwise, but... yeah, nah, not this time.

There's also the fact that nothing else has leaked from V-Jump and the pacing being way too fast compared to the other chapters.

[Kinokima]

Highly doubt these spoilers are true

If it’s not coming from Ryokutya I wouldn’t trust them. Usually these long detailed spoilers are never true

Note I always feel Ryokutya's spoilers are a bit misleading because they are his thoughts not what is actually happening but they are accurate

[Alruneia]

There's also the fact that nothing else has leaked from V-Jump

That's true, but it doesn't really impact how poorly or well the fake leaks were written.

and the pacing being way too fast compared to the other chapters.

This, however, is a good point. The other chapters have definitely been too slow-paced for everything the fake leaks say to suddenly happen in just one chapter.

Note I always feel Ryokutya's spoilers are a bit misleading because they are his thoughts not what is actually happening but they are accurate

Some of Ryokutya's leak comments are directly misleading, for example the one where he started going on about nen from Hunter x Hunter. To be perfectly honest, they're not very "helpful" leaks.

[Kinokima]

Some of Ryokutya's leak comments are directly misleading, for example the one where he started going on about nen from Hunter x Hunter. To be perfectly honest, they're not very "helpful" leaks.

Well Ryokutya’s “spoilers” are just his impressions. They aren’t actual spoilers and when other people read the chapter their impressions can differ from his (which is usually the case)

The difference is you know Ryokutya has actually read the chapter. And while his impressions may be misleading they can give you little details about the chapter.

However finding detailed spoilers in English when there is no Japanese source are always going to be fake