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Post by Matches Malone » Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:38 pm

FiReFTW wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:37 pm Very mean of them to not show us any spoilers and leaks :x
I think we're going to be happy they didn't, as all the build up is pointing towards some major surprises.

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Post by FortuneSSJ » Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:51 pm

FiReFTW wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:37 pm Very mean of them to not show us any spoilers and leaks :x
I agree. How mean of them makes us wait for the chapter to officially release. This isn't the internet I used to know.
I assumed chapter come out earlier this month meant we would get leaks earlier and yet here we are. :lol:
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Post by JulieYBM » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:11 pm

Shueisha will have you thrown in prison for *checks notes* leaking a comic book a week early. That's why spoilers are few and far between.

Besides, it's just a comic. Patience is a virtue.
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Post by Kinokima » Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:13 pm

I don’t know what is causing me more anxiety. Having to ride on public transport tomorrow or this chapter :lol:

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Post by FlpShimizu » Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:53 pm

Kinokima wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:13 pm I don’t know what is causing me more anxiety. Having to ride on public transport tomorrow or this chapter :lol:
Shit man, good luck! You'll be home safely to read it soon.
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Post by The Undying » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:03 pm

FiReFTW wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:37 pm Very mean of them to not show us any spoilers and leaks :x
Good. The less we see of spoilers, the less opportunities people have to twist, misinterpret, or take them completely out of context.

I'm totally fine with waiting for the official release.
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Post by Noitsnothim » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:15 pm

It's incredible the lack of spoilers and scan leaks The fandom is going to go insane if all the buildup and hype were for nothing and Vegeta Jobs or the technique ain't all that's cracked up to be

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Post by experted_luke » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:50 pm

Any theories on what this technique? is? Let's cash in some final bets. :thumbup:

I personally think that Vegeta is going to drain Moro's ki or interfere with his ki in a way that'll make him vulnerable and weak. Not really feeling this whole 'foresight' thing, unless ki manipulation was one of the things he learned on Yardrat. We'll have to find out.

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Post by pepd » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:50 pm

I love that there seems to be an emphasis on that will be fitting to his personality.
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Post by Grand Marshal 1 » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:56 pm

All this talk about a 'reborn' Vegeta though sounds very interesting. Then again, is the word given the proper weight?

Is this going to be a temporary advantage for Vegeta, or will it actually come and stay with him, changing his fighting style for the best?

A technique that can only be used on Moro looks obsolete in my eyes. That would not be a reborn Vegeta, that would be a plot convenience, or some candy thrown at people for getting their 'Vegeta victory' is some way or another, which ofc doesn't correlate to a definitive win in the upcoming fight.

We may as well be over thinking it, but given how a deeper meaning can always be there, let's hope for the best and let's also hope that Toyotarou will pull his cards and surprise us, without sacrificing something, while establishing his prominence as a competent successor to Toriyama.
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Post by experted_luke » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:59 pm

Grand Marshal 1 wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:56 pm All this talk about a 'reborn' Vegeta though sounds very interesting. Then again, is the word given the proper weight?

Is this going to be a temporary advantage for Vegeta, or will it actually come and stay with him, changing his fighting style for the best?

A technique that can only be used on Moro looks obsolete in my eyes. That would not be a reborn Vegeta, that would be a plot convenience, or some candy thrown at people for getting their 'Vegeta victory' is some way or another, which ofc doesn't correlate to a definitive win in the upcoming fight.

We may as well be over thinking it, but given how a deeper meaning can always be there, let's hope for the best and let's also hope that Toyotarou will pull his cards and surprise us, without sacrificing something, while establishing his prominence as a competent successor to Toriyama.
I feel like it'll be the former. Vegeta takes the cake against Moro, but he rarely/never uses the technique again. Then, Goku will then again have the "better than Vegeta" trope.

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Post by Femme Fatale Kikaza » Wed Jun 17, 2020 8:10 pm

experted_luke wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:59 pm
Grand Marshal 1 wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:56 pm All this talk about a 'reborn' Vegeta though sounds very interesting. Then again, is the word given the proper weight?

Is this going to be a temporary advantage for Vegeta, or will it actually come and stay with him, changing his fighting style for the best?

A technique that can only be used on Moro looks obsolete in my eyes. That would not be a reborn Vegeta, that would be a plot convenience, or some candy thrown at people for getting their 'Vegeta victory' is some way or another, which ofc doesn't correlate to a definitive win in the upcoming fight.

We may as well be over thinking it, but given how a deeper meaning can always be there, let's hope for the best and let's also hope that Toyotarou will pull his cards and surprise us, without sacrificing something, while establishing his prominence as a competent successor to Toriyama.
I feel like it'll be the former. Vegeta takes the cake against Moro, but he rarely/never uses the technique again. Then, Goku will then again have the "better than Vegeta" trope.
There's just one problem with Vegeta owning Moro....it's called the plot device, 7-3, who will doubt come into plan when Vegeta is about to take the W for himself. Moro would get desperate and WHAM, 7-3 have whatever Vegeta has and fucks things up in Moro's favor and gets everyone flat footed.
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Post by Noitsnothim » Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:02 pm

Femme Fatale Kikaza wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 8:10 pm
experted_luke wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:59 pm
Grand Marshal 1 wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:56 pm All this talk about a 'reborn' Vegeta though sounds very interesting. Then again, is the word given the proper weight?

Is this going to be a temporary advantage for Vegeta, or will it actually come and stay with him, changing his fighting style for the best?

A technique that can only be used on Moro looks obsolete in my eyes. That would not be a reborn Vegeta, that would be a plot convenience, or some candy thrown at people for getting their 'Vegeta victory' is some way or another, which ofc doesn't correlate to a definitive win in the upcoming fight.

We may as well be over thinking it, but given how a deeper meaning can always be there, let's hope for the best and let's also hope that Toyotarou will pull his cards and surprise us, without sacrificing something, while establishing his prominence as a competent successor to Toriyama.
I feel like it'll be the former. Vegeta takes the cake against Moro, but he rarely/never uses the technique again. Then, Goku will then again have the "better than Vegeta" trope.
There's just one problem with Vegeta owning Moro....it's called the plot device, 7-3, who will doubt come into plan when Vegeta is about to take the W for himself. Moro would get desperate and WHAM, 7-3 have whatever Vegeta has and fucks things up in Moro's favor and gets everyone flat footed.
While 7-3 is still there on the battlefield and is expected to be Moro's trump card for some reason I don't expect him being able to grab Vegeta's neck because Goku will kick UI omen into High Gear and stop him but then that also leaves the window open for (True) Ultra Instinct to come in and take the spotlight from Vegeta's new technique

It's a tricky situation because of tropes that could be set in motion

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Post by Matches Malone » Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:08 pm

Kinokima wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:13 pmI don’t know what is causing me more anxiety. Having to ride on public transport tomorrow or this chapter :lol:
You'd be better off walking than getting on one of those things.
FlpShimizu wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:53 pmShit man, good luck! You'll be home safely to read it soon.
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Noitsnothim wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:15 pmThe fandom is going to go insane if all the buildup and hype were for nothing and Vegeta Jobs or the technique ain't all that's cracked up to be.
There are a lot of fans saying they'll drop Super if they screw this up, which I probably won't do, but I'll definitely give up on expecting it to live up to its potential. Toyotaro has went out of his way to make Vegeta look good, going as far as having him be the only one to fight Black and even get the final attack on fused Zamasu, so I just can't see him messing this up.

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Post by Peach » Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:11 pm

Noitsnothim wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:15 pm It's incredible the lack of spoilers and scan leaks The fandom is going to go insane if all the buildup and hype were for nothing and Vegeta Jobs or the technique ain't all that's cracked up to be
There was a panel last issue where Beerus overheard Whis and Meerus talking about the battle on earth while he was fishing and he used food as an excuse to ask to go to Earth.

That tells me Beerus will get involved in some way. Whether Moro steals his energy and puts Vegeta at a disadvantage, or getting involved in the fight directly.

I don't think Vegeta is going to win this.

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Post by Femme Fatale Kikaza » Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:33 pm

Peach wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:11 pm
Noitsnothim wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:15 pm It's incredible the lack of spoilers and scan leaks The fandom is going to go insane if all the buildup and hype were for nothing and Vegeta Jobs or the technique ain't all that's cracked up to be
There was a panel last issue where Beerus overheard Whis and Meerus talking about the battle on earth while he was fishing and he used food as an excuse to ask to go to Earth.

That tells me Beerus will get involved in some way. Whether Moro steals his energy and puts Vegeta at a disadvantage, or getting involved in the fight directly.

I don't think Vegeta is going to win this.
Yeah about that....there's just one problem I see with that.

Moro tries to steal Beerus's energy.

Beerus: What the hell? Who dares try to take my energy while I'm on this damn planet!? Someone's got an erasure scheduled...

Yeah, I honestly feel Moro trying to take Beerus's energy would make him on the receiving end of a rude wake up call. Beerus would get triggered by Moro's audacity to steal his power and hakai him. I feel if Moro tried to steal Beerus's power, Beerus being stronger is probably smart enough to just stop Moro from doing it or willingly choose not to have his energy drained.

If Moro somehow managed to drain Beerus's energy, which I'm questioning how he'd be able to, the proper reaction is hope to gods that it can be taken back or Beerus is bluffing and only letting him steal a small portion of his power.
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Post by Matches Malone » Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:36 pm

Peach wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:11 pmI don't think Vegeta is going to win this.
I think he'll win the initial fight, but I'm worried about what will come next, as both RF and Zamasu showed that they can really screw up a story's ending, which is the last thing I want for an arc that I've enjoyed from the very beginning up until now.
Femme Fatale Kikaza wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:33 pmI honestly feel Moro trying to take Beerus's energy would make him on the receiving end of a rude wake up call.
If Beerus wants him dead he'll be long gone before knowing what hit him, much less have time to take his energy.

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Post by Femme Fatale Kikaza » Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:44 pm

Noitsnothim wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:02 pm
Femme Fatale Kikaza wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 8:10 pm
experted_luke wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:59 pm

I feel like it'll be the former. Vegeta takes the cake against Moro, but he rarely/never uses the technique again. Then, Goku will then again have the "better than Vegeta" trope.
There's just one problem with Vegeta owning Moro....it's called the plot device, 7-3, who will doubt come into plan when Vegeta is about to take the W for himself. Moro would get desperate and WHAM, 7-3 have whatever Vegeta has and fucks things up in Moro's favor and gets everyone flat footed.
While 7-3 is still there on the battlefield and is expected to be Moro's trump card for some reason I don't expect him being able to grab Vegeta's neck because Goku will kick UI omen into High Gear and stop him but then that also leaves the window open for (True) Ultra Instinct to come in and take the spotlight from Vegeta's new technique

It's a tricky situation because of tropes that could be set in motion

I dunno, Goku seemed pretty drained trying to juggle his UI against Moro, to the point 17 and 18 had to legit rush to his aid to stop Moro from killing him. 7-3's best bet is for Vegeta to have his guard down to swoop in, though I'm questioning if 17 and 18 will allow him to latch onto Vegeta, seeing as they'll both go in for the kill against a weakened 7-3 given the chance. They'd probably see him coming and try to stop him.

Whatever the ending is, just don't have Merus preform an angelic death against Moro. PLEASE DON'T DO IT TORI! PLEASE!
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Femme Fatale Kikaza wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:33 pm
Yeah about that....there's just one problem I see with that.

Moro tries to steal Beerus's energy.

Beerus: What the hell? Who dares try to take my energy while I'm on this damn planet!? Someone's got an erasure scheduled...

Yeah, I honestly feel Moro trying to take Beerus's energy would make him on the receiving end of a rude wake up call. Beerus would get triggered by Moro's audacity to steal his power and hakai him. I feel if Moro tried to steal Beerus's power, Beerus being stronger is probably smart enough to just stop Moro from doing it or willingly choose not to have his energy drained.

If Moro somehow managed to drain Beerus's energy, which I'm questioning how he'd be able to, the proper reaction is hope to gods that it can be taken back or Beerus is bluffing and only letting him steal a small portion of his power.
I could see that happening. It would be nice to see Beerus FINALLY get involved with a fight for once. Remember how epic him destroying Zamasu was? I have zero problems with Beerus stealing the spotlight from Vegeta.


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Peach wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:11 pmI don't think Vegeta is going to win this.
I think he'll win the initial fight, but I'm worried about what will come next, as both RF and Zamasu showed that they can really screw up a story's ending, which is the last thing I want for an arc that I've enjoyed from the very beginning up until now.
Femme Fatale Kikaza wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:33 pmI honestly feel Moro trying to take Beerus's energy would make him on the receiving end of a rude wake up call.
If Beerus wants him dead he'll be long gone before knowing what hit him, much less have time to take his energy.
I see Vegeta having the upper hand at first too.

But there could be a plot device that lets Moro get the advantage. Whether it's 7/3, playing dirty, or draining Beerus of his power.

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Post by Femme Fatale Kikaza » Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:48 pm

Matches Malone wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:36 pm
Peach wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:11 pmI don't think Vegeta is going to win this.
I think he'll win the initial fight, but I'm worried about what will come next, as both RF and Zamasu showed that they can really screw up a story's ending, which is the last thing I want for an arc that I've enjoyed from the very beginning up until now.
Femme Fatale Kikaza wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:33 pmI honestly feel Moro trying to take Beerus's energy would make him on the receiving end of a rude wake up call.
If Beerus wants him dead he'll be long gone before knowing what hit him, much less have time to take his energy.
As long as Merus doesn't kill himself, giving us the most anti climatic ending ever, I'll be fine with whatever they've got.

If Moro does drain the planet's energy while Beerus is there, Beerus would say 'HAKAI' before Moro knows what the hell happened. Trying to steal Beerus's energy, even if it were successful, would result in one angry Beerus. I mean, good luck trying to steal his energy, seeing as I feel Beerus would storm over to Moro and kill him before he does anything.

I feel Beerus being the strongest deity in U7, would legit be able to just not have his energy be stolen. If someone's getting Beerus's energy, its because he let them, and if Moro tries to take it by force he's going to get fucked.
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