"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Kagari]

I'd see this fight against Moro lasting at least 2, probably 3 more chapters. Any longer than that would be dragging on, but that's enough time for a satisfying team-up against Seven-Moro that ends in a possible final bout (quite possibly with Vegeta separating them.)

It's already dragged on. 18+ months and it's gone on longer than even the US arc anime at this point.

[Noitsnothim]

Here's a way Vegeta could win

Spoiler:

Back in chapter 52 Vegeta was told that it was possible for yardrats to create clones of themselves by splitting their spirit
in chapter 60 it's shown that Vegeta split Hatska into many weaker Hatska by splitting his spirit
Vegeta will split Moro's spirit to create many weak Moros

[Dragon Wukong]

It's already dragged on. 18+ months and it's gone on longer than even the US arc anime at this point.

I don't think that timespan means anything. For a major DB arc it's about as long as a manga arc would tend to be, if still somewhat shorter. I don't think three more chapters for a grand final battle against his new form would exactly be "dragging it on".

[Miracles]

Besides, Toyotaro has been dragging this arc out anyway. It has been slow.
I wouldn't be surprised if this arc lasted into September.

[Kinokima]

Here's a way Vegeta could win

Spoiler:

Back in chapter 52 Vegeta was told that it was possible for yardrats to create clones of themselves by splitting their spirit
in chapter 60 it's shown that Vegeta split Hatska into many weaker Hatska by splitting his spirit
Vegeta will split Moro's spirit to create many weak Moros

Not a bad theory

[Dragon Wukong]

Here's a way Vegeta could win

Spoiler:

Back in chapter 52 Vegeta was told that it was possible for yardrats to create clones of themselves by splitting their spirit
in chapter 60 it's shown that Vegeta split Hatska into many weaker Hatska by splitting his spirit
Vegeta will split Moro's spirit to create many weak Moros

He didn't split Hatska into clones. Hatska is always split into clones. They were just collapsed because he drained all their ki at once, most likely.

[Gogeta SSJ Blue]

Well, my opinion is that Vegeta talks too much!

He let Cell get stronger, let Golden Frieza blow up the planet and now just gave an opportunity to Moro recover too.

Yeah honestly, Vegeta legit went on and on and I'm like, he's still going? He legit monologues to the point Moro got the chance to use his backup plan.

Exactly!

Less talking and more action!

He likes to give a little more time to his enemies, sometimes to simply humiliate them, but by doing it he ends up just giving them instead an advantage point.

Here's a way Vegeta could win

Spoiler:

Back in chapter 52 Vegeta was told that it was possible for yardrats to create clones of themselves by splitting their spirit
in chapter 60 it's shown that Vegeta split Hatska into many weaker Hatska by splitting his spirit
Vegeta will split Moro's spirit to create many weak Moros

Not a bad theory

Not bad at all!

I would rather that to happen than a fusion to occur.

[Kinokima]

Here's a way Vegeta could win

Spoiler:

Back in chapter 52 Vegeta was told that it was possible for yardrats to create clones of themselves by splitting their spirit
in chapter 60 it's shown that Vegeta split Hatska into many weaker Hatska by splitting his spirit
Vegeta will split Moro's spirit to create many weak Moros

He didn't split Hatska into clones. Hatska is always split into clones. They were just collapsed because he drained all their ki at once, most likely.

I actually think Vegeta might have split him. I didn’t notice it at first but if you reread the chapter after Pybara does something to him after what Vegeta did he is back to one being.

That doesn’t mean this is what Vegeta will do but its a theory that’s at least supported by evidence.

[Miracles]

The prideful Vegeta gloating over his enemies and his comrades. Who would of thought it would bite him in the back.

[Grand Marshal 1]

Well, Vegeta showed peak personality in the Broly movie. Didn't hesitate to kill someone like Broly due to him being a threat. Talked a little, showed his power via actions and even stood up to reinforce Goku when he saw he was in a pinch. Okay, his fusion talk was kinda undermining this whole thing, but in the end he did it.

If the anime were to come back, I would expect for Geets to maintain this form of personality. Less cocky-ness (despite it being a major characteristic of his personality) more action.

If we take the movie Geets and then say we get an anime adaptation of the Moro arc, especially after the ToP in the anime establishing more to him, I believe that we would get an actual reborn Vegeta.

Cause why not have him go through another positive character arc when he still can?

[Zelvin]

Cause why not have him go through another positive character arc when he still can?

You mean, besides the fact he's already done that and any reason for him to re-learn a moral lesson is completely contrived? We're rather tired of characters having themselves Reset for the sake of "learning a lesson" when it's something they've already learned. They did that at the beginning of Super with Vegeta as he admitted that Goku was his better after the Buu fight, but goes right back to "MY PRIDE!" going right into Super. Then abandons it for the sake of protecting his family from Beerus, then goes right back to wanting to best KakaTHOT immediately after.

There really isn't a reason why he'd care to make up for what he did to the Namekian's. Everyone has dragon balls now. They are now the embodiment of TFS Tien's statement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk1oPhkUZFw

Plus it's not like Goku feels bad for all the people he killed as a kid. The entire Red Ribbon Army, anyone? It's only when he got older that he tried to 'not' kill them, but still didn't feel bad if he ended up having to. Should Goku have to now make up for destroying the RRA, resulting in Dr. Gero going batshit, kidnapping children and turning them into androids in order to kill Goku and resulting in Trunks' timeline?

Hell no. Goku didn't even care about the assassins sent to take out Freeza just before the ToP after Freeza killed them all. Sure he cared about Freeza killing them right after he did it, but never bothered to use the Dragonballs to wish those guys back. If Vegeta really wanted to undo mistakes, he'd get permission to go hunt down the SDB's and bring back all those he ever killed throughout his life, and/or restore Planet Vegeta and the entire Saiyan race who was killed by Freeza, then bring them into the new age and teach them a better way to live and become warriors.

Wouldn't that be something more up Vegeta's alley? Restore the Saiyans and make them more like the U6 Saiyans; Galactic Mercenary Officers that go around defending worlds and taking out guys that the Galactic Patrolmen can't? Instead he's content to chill on Earth with his family and continue his personal training.

[Kinokima]

Well, Vegeta showed peak personality in the Broly movie. Didn't hesitate to kill someone like Broly due to him being a threat. Talked a little, showed his power via actions and even stood up to reinforce Goku when he saw he was in a pinch. Okay, his fusion talk was kinda undermining this whole thing, but in the end he did it.

If the anime were to come back, I would expect for Geets to maintain this form of personality. Less cocky-ness (despite it being a major characteristic of his personality) more action.

If we take the movie Geets and then say we get an anime adaptation of the Moro arc, especially after the ToP in the anime establishing more to him, I believe that we would get an actual reborn Vegeta.

Cause why not have him go through another positive character arc when he still can?

Vegeta is probably always going to mock his opponent a bit. I think the main reason he didn’t with Broly is because Broly was all rage. There was nothing there to mock.

I also don’t think Vegeta lost because he talked a little about hell to Moro. I think people are overstating how much Vegeta wasted time. And the only time Vegeta truly over bragged this chapter was at the beginning to Goku.

Vegeta lost because the story dictated he lost. He would have lost whether he talked to Moro or not.

And I actually think Vegeta’s line to Moro about being nothing without other people‘s powers was important thematically. Same with the hell/villain line that we have been talking about over and over again. These aren’t just Vegeta wasting time they are lines that Toyo is using to present his themes in the chapter

[DiscountDabi]

I’m saving General Issues with the arc until its finished, but given how little the Galactic Bandit Brigade Mattered to the story it could have been handled better. I would say that an alternative would have been to have Moro open a hole into the demon realm and have them all come from there, but keeping in the spirit of this being a Galactic Patrol Prisoner arc, I’ll keep it that these are prisoners.

Have Moro use his Third Wish for anything else, maybe he wants the Magic of the Supreme Kai’s on top of his own. It doesn’t really matter what the wish is. He beats Goku and Vegeta again, and they still go do their training. Meanwhile we get a cool storm the castle type scene with Moro busting into the Galactic Prison and freeing all the people we saw. This could have been a good time to show that everyone in the prison saw Cranberry as a weakling and chose him to go with Moro because he’d be easy to get rid of after his use.

Could have been a great time to show Moro’s Charisma and natural leadership in that his men follow him not out of fear like Frieza but of actual respect and fellowship to Moro. This would have done wonders for his character as he would be portrayed as agreeable, charming, and not someone who would let them die the second he gets the chance. And shown him genuinely bothered when Saganbo dies and have some actual character behind this baddie.

[Miracles]

It's going to be interesting to see how the plot deals with Moro now. Not only has his battle power returned, whom Goku wasn't a "match" for. To make the situation worse, his Ki increased on top of that. Now he has 7-3's abilities; after grabbing his opponents neck, able to copy and store their techniques and battle powers. Up to three techniques at a time too. Which he can switch and dispense at his choice. Coupled with infinite stamina [Chap 53], seems really hopeless for our warriors.

I'm assuming the weakness here is that 7-3's copied ability only lasts for 30 minutes. That might be a crutch they can exploit. I believe fusion will be out. Since Vegeta just talked about not depending on the powers of others. However, he and Goku usually spout such feelings but have turned to it when necessary. Still, Moro might grab Vegeta's neck to make fusion a non option. This could possibly be the life and death push Kakarot needs to go Ultra Instinct. However, if he can't maintain UI for long, Moro's infinite stamina will play a factor to letting that deplete out.

What if Piccolo is called on again to use Mafuba to seal Moro? While Goku is stalling with UI? I'm excited to see the route the story takes to handle this ugly yet powerful monstrosity.

[Dragon Wukong]

It's going to be interesting to see how the plot deals with Moro now. Not only has his battle power returned, whom Goku wasn't a "match" for. To make the situation worse, his Ki increased on top of that. Now he has 7-3's abilities; after grabbing his opponents neck, able to copy and store their techniques and battle powers. Up to three techniques at a time too. Which he can switch and dispense at his choice. Coupled with infinite stamina [Chap 53], seems really hopeless for our warriors.

I'm assuming the weakness here is that 7-3's copied ability only lasts for 30 minutes. That might be a crutch they can exploit. I believe fusion will be out. Since Vegeta just talked about not depending on the powers of others. However, he and Goku usually spout such feelings but have turned to it when necessary. Still, Moro might grab Vegeta's neck to make fusion a non option. This could possibly be the life and death push Kakarot needs to go Ultra Instinct. However, if he can't maintain UI for long, Moro's infinite stamina will play a factor to letting that deplete out.

What if Piccolo is called on again to use Mafuba to seal Moro? While Goku is stalling with UI? I'm excited to see the route the story takes to handle this ugly yet powerful monstrosity.

What I'm curious about is if Moro can copy up to 3 abilities at a time like Seven-Three, or only one. We see the ability is related to what's reflected in the gems in Seven-Three's head, but Moro's new form only has one. I think you're right though that part of the key will be fending Moro off until his copy abilities disappear.

[Femme Fatale Kikaza]

It's going to be interesting to see how the plot deals with Moro now. Not only has his battle power returned, whom Goku wasn't a "match" for. To make the situation worse, his Ki increased on top of that. Now he has 7-3's abilities; after grabbing his opponents neck, able to copy and store their techniques and battle powers. Up to three techniques at a time too. Which he can switch and dispense at his choice. Coupled with infinite stamina [Chap 53], seems really hopeless for our warriors.

I'm assuming the weakness here is that 7-3's copied ability only lasts for 30 minutes. That might be a crutch they can exploit. I believe fusion will be out. Since Vegeta just talked about not depending on the powers of others. However, he and Goku usually spout such feelings but have turned to it when necessary. Still, Moro might grab Vegeta's neck to make fusion a non option. This could possibly be the life and death push Kakarot needs to go Ultra Instinct. However, if he can't maintain UI for long, Moro's infinite stamina will play a factor to letting that deplete out.

What if Piccolo is called on again to use Mafuba to seal Moro? While Goku is stalling with UI? I'm excited to see the route the story takes to handle this ugly yet powerful monstrosity.

What I'm curious about is if Moro can copy up to 3 abilities at a time like Seven-Three, or only one. We see the ability is related to what's reflected in the gems in Seven-Three's head, but Moro's new form only has one. I think you're right though that part of the key will be fending Moro off until his copy abilities disappear.

I think the issue there is going to be for the fighters to LAST thirty minutes. Thirty minutes is massive pain in the ass to survive in a fight, and I'm not sure how the B tier fighters aren't going to die if Moro chooses to attack them. Vegeta just got one shot so I'm not sure how he'll get close to Moro at this point. Moro has no need to rest or anything because of 7-3's stamina, so fighting him is going to be a massive pain. Lasting thirty minutes will be like jumping through hurdles of fire for them.

[Koitsukai]

Realistically speaking, as of now the only one wielding a power that would not die against Moro73 is Hakaishin Beerus. Also Merus and Whis.

Could this be the time for one of them to jump in? Merus would stomp and doesn't seem to be the time for a sacrifice (or maybe it will be if Sign Goku is about to die while Geets is out?).
Beerus would not be a stomp considering Moro's progress throughout the arc, and with that whole let's-get-food deal from two chapters ago, maybe the gang is getting lucky and Beerus will save them?

Also, I think I've asked this before, so sorry about that but, what was Moro's 3rd wish? is there anything yet to be revealed about Moro?

[Femme Fatale Kikaza]

Realistically speaking, as of now the only one wielding a power that would not die against Moro73 is Hakaishin Beerus. Also Merus and Whis.

Could this be the time for one of them to jump in? Merus would stomp and doesn't seem to be the time for a sacrifice (or maybe it will be if Sign Goku is about to die while Geets is out?).
Beerus would not be a stomp considering Moro's progress throughout the arc, and with that whole let's-get-food deal from two chapters ago, maybe the gang is getting lucky and Beerus will save them?

Also, I think I've asked this before, so sorry about that but, what was Moro's 3rd wish? is there anything yet to be revealed about Moro?

His wish was to free all the Galactic Prisoners.

I feel if the worst comes to worst Beerus should get involved. Merus doing it would literally be this.

Merus: Snaps Moro's neck on accident because of how OP he is. "Whoops, I meant to actually fight him. He legit died when I grabbed his neck....that was quick."

Whis won't let Merus do jack anyway. Whis likes Moro just about as much as Merus does, but he knows that if he lets Merus die that the Grand Priest is gonna look at him sideways for being incompetent and allowing Merus to die.Beerus finishing Moro if he becomes too powerful to live would make sense. It feels to early for an angel to die, and besides, I can't see Merus doing it while Whis is hovering over his shoulder .

If an angel dies, let it be less predictable and have it be emotional. Merus just got introduced, I feel him killing himself would feel rather empty. Whis will sooner jump off the edge of the universe before he lets Merus do anything.

Besides, Beerus is already zooming his way to Earth, if they can't kill Moro or defuse him in that time period Beerus will likely get involved to see what the big deal about Moro is and why Merus and Whis are so concerned about him.

[Mad Swami]

I sorta joked a while back saying Frieza might just intervene and do something due to his absence. However, as 7-3 Moro has been introduced and Vegeta downed. I am actually starting to think Frieza will get involved in some way. I am not 100% sure, but I just highly doubt/ don't want a fusion will be used

[Ziegander]

Is anyone else upset at the whole "eating this android has restored my battle power to what it was at the height of my youth?" Are we supposed to believe that restoration is only going to last 30 minutes? Because I didn't get that from it... If he could just eat some SSJ2 level android to restore all of the battle power he lost millenia ago, or however long it's been, then why did he not do that IMMEDIATELY upon getting 7-3 out of prison? Why would he go to all this trouble of eating planets to regain less of his former power? Am I the only person for whom this twist makes literally zero sense?

It's infuriating and idiotic. I can't believe it was ever cleared. And now Vegeta's toast, he accomplished LESS than nothing, and Goku's out of gas. Gohan, Piccolo, 17 and 18 stand absolutely no chance against this guy, so obviously Goku's just going to fight him again anyway, so we'll have the same stamina plot hole as in the ToP, and probably the same power level plot hole, too. If I had to guess, somehow utterly drained Goku will manage to use Sign again and do just as well against Seven-Moro as he did before despite Seven-Moro being stronger than max power Moro from like two minutes ago.

And then what? This arc has been pretty neat so far, but this conclusion is shaping up to be trash.