Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:16 pm
I've been reading earlier chapters of the arc and started thinking about something about the battle between God Vegeta and Moro.
Moro said at the height of his power, someone like God Vegeta would've been an insect to him. Despite being old and weakened, Moro still appeared to be in God Vegeta's league--though it required real effort on his part.
It's really hard to tell how strong Moro is early on. Feasting on Goku and Vegeta helped him grow tremendously, but he was still far inferior to Boo. Boo later says that Moro's magic power being restored isn't the same as his raw power, which is why he's going to try and eat Namek. We do see Moro pummel Dai Kaioshin with ease, so that alone shows us that Moro did indeed become quite powerful with the return of his magic. He also consumed some of Namek, though there was still a lot of energy left after all of that.
Despite his magic power being restored, it's stated that the Full-Power of Super Saiyan Blue is undoubtedly superior to Moro.
So these questions came to mind: is the jump from God to Blue
that significant to have Vegeta go from having his hands full with weakened Moro to not being worried about Moro with the full-extent of his magic? Or was Moro's power increase via his restored magic really not that impressive overall?
These are all thoughts I just felt like putting down.
Imo the increase in power was just not impressive. The jump from God to Blue can't and
shouldn't change now, or again, in any media.
It went down like this for me:
—Elder Moro < God Vegeta
->with a little bit of magic and energy manipulation, he evens the stage (he takes off his tunic)
—Moro using Namek for attacks < Blue Evolution Vegeta
->Moro proceeds to power up by absorbing Namek's energy
–Elder Moro (Powered Up) < Blue (according to Vegeta)
[basically what you questioned. Moro grew stronger in this instance but not enough to overcome the gap between God and Blue. Besides, it's safe to assume that he possesses the same power than Namek granted him to overwhelm God Vegeta, which makes sense for him to say that Blue is still beyond his reach. But I want to continue for the fun of it lol]
->Moro also eats a Galick Gun, but the difference shouldn't be evident at all
->Absorbing Goku and Vegeta's energy directly, Moro accesses his Pre-Prime (as I call it) (interestingly enough he comments how Goku and Vegeta were beings that did not exist in his Era and the only threat was Daikaioshin. So given this and Vegeta's statements on Blue, it's possible that Daikaioshin was blue tier already, will make sense later, on top of stealing Moro's abilities)
—Moro >>>> Namekian Savior (ig comparable to Saonel or Pirina (below God tier) given how they admired U7 Namekian in the face of Piccolo which could mean dozens of U7 assimilated Namekians ≈ the entire U6 Namek race assimilated. Their numbers shouldn't be drastically bigger, and this whole thing makes sense)
->Vegeta saying that Moro got stronger may mean that he got a tiny bit stronger, or he doesn't know that he absorbed his and Goku's energies while passed out. I go with the second option)
—Pre-Prime Moro < Powered Up Buu (Buu enters a powered up state which is probably a trigger from Daikaioshin's memories and is on even terms with Moro. But that's also given his abilities as Buu, which eventually overwhelm Moro)
->Moro powers up but states that if he was at full strength or could absorb the entire planet, that would help him win. But Buu says that he isn't anything compared to him.
->Porunga restores Moro's magic (only hax, no strength)
—Daikaioshin < Moro (who absorbs more of Namek's energy and can take on Daikaioshin)
->Moro eats one of Daikaioshin's attacks (Daikaioshin doesn't have the same strength as he used to, per Moro. Given what I said a while back, he now scales off to Blue Goku and Blue Vegeta, but his actual power must be above that, hense Moro's statements earlier in the arc) (as for Vegeta saying that Perfected Blue will get the job done, we can say that up until now, Blue tier was around half that power. Hense why Daikaioshin performs like that and why Moro does as well)
[at this point it is probably specified more or less that Vegeta's early arc statements reffered to the full potential of Blue and not the form itself. Which is why despite Daikaioshin being above God and Moro having powered up enough to be above God too, Blue is still hinted to get the job done]
->Moro absorbs more energy when the prisoners fight Goku and Vegeta and eats it in the next chapter, reaching his Prime
->He then absorbs Zoon's energy. A good planet in his words, perhaps near Namek's energy
->We can assume that the 3 girls contacted him to absorb the energy from the planet they found too
->2 months pass and despite us seeing some planets, it's unknown how many Moro has consumed. But given how he battles Goku later, he has grown significant
—Prime Moro > Omen and Power Stressed Omen Goku
->Albeit he needed to show his true strength
—Prime Moro > Blue Evolution Spirit Control Vegeta (Vegeta with Spirit Fission performs very well tho)
->Moro gets drained once and his strength falls below Vegeta's. His blows have impact.
->A second drain pushes Moro to the edge
->The third drain has Moro on his knees
->Moro eats 7-3 and restores his power at max, defeating Vegeta
To sum up now (a scale):
Namekians Savior = 0.01 (it doesn't rly matter if it's a highball or not)
18 = 0.02
Piccolo = 0.02
SS3 Goku = 0.03
17 = 0.04
Gohan = 0.05
7-3 = 0.05
(Moro powers, energy absorbed) = 0.1
Saganbo = 0.01
Slightly Empowered = 0.1
Empowered = 1
Powerhouse = 2
Buu (Powered Up)/Daikaioshin = 2.5
God Vegeta (and Goku)= 1
Blue Vegeta (Normal) = 3
Blue Vegeta (Perfected/Full potential) = 5
Blue Evolved Vegeta = 120
Omen Goku = 150
Blue Evolved Vegeta (after Spirit Training) = 165
Power Stressed Omen Goku = 300
Elder Moro = 0.7
(Namek used for attacks) = 5+
(Namek power absorbed #1) = 1.5
(Galick Gun eaten) = 1.6
Pre-Prime (initial) (Goku and Vegeta energy absorbed) = 2
(kinda powered up & magic restored) = 2.3
(Namek power absorbed #2) = 3
(Daikaioshin attack eaten) = 3.1
Prime (initial) (Namek power absorbed #3) = >3.1, 4.5 (?)
(Zoon power absorbed) = 5
(the Planet the 3 girls found was possibly absorbed) = 6
(unknown number of planets eaten, after 2 months) = 300+
(drained #1) = 100 (?)
(drained #2) = 50 (?)
(drained #3) = 2 (?)
7-Moro-3 = equal or greater to his peak Prime