Objectively, How Much Stronger Is UIO/MUI Than SSJB?

[FishermanJohnWest]

Goku's kaioken aura gets bigger after he and Kelfa fight a bit, why wouldn't he be using KKx20 against the strongest opponent since Jiren. Sign gets stronger because Goku gets stronger after he uses it. Multipliers don't exit in Super but Sign is a major power up over base Blue.

Bingo

Goku simply got overall stronger in the TOP, the fact that a weakened SSJB Goku can hold his own against SSJ Kelfa who rivals the spirit bomb shows how much Goku has gotten stronger, which shouldn't be surprising cause he went toe to toe with Jiren in episode 122/123 who surpassed the spirit bomb and making Jiren use more power, showing once again Goku got stronger

Goku never went toe to toe with berserker kefla. He could fight ssj kefla, but when berserker kicked in he got oneshotted

Kefla always used the berserk power, since Kale controlled it. hence why her hair is green.

And Goku with kaioken was beating her, but Goku was tired so it didn't help his case at all

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Something to remember is that Ultra Instinct Sign's attack power is much more limited compared to its reflexes and speed.

[p-hyvo]

Bingo

Goku simply got overall stronger in the TOP, the fact that a weakened SSJB Goku can hold his own against SSJ Kelfa who rivals the spirit bomb shows how much Goku has gotten stronger, which shouldn't be surprising cause he went toe to toe with Jiren in episode 122/123 who surpassed the spirit bomb and making Jiren use more power, showing once again Goku got stronger

Goku never went toe to toe with berserker kefla. He could fight ssj kefla, but when berserker kicked in he got oneshotted

Kefla always used the berserk power, since Kale controlled it. hence why her hair is green.

And Goku with kaioken was beating her, but Goku was tired so it didn't help his case at all

Goku was "beating" the initial manifestation of berserker, then keflas power rose and she oneshotted him

[p-hyvo]

Goku's kaioken aura gets bigger after he and Kelfa fight a bit, why wouldn't he be using KKx20 against the strongest opponent since Jiren. Sign gets stronger because Goku gets stronger after he uses it. Multipliers don't exit in Super but Sign is a major power up over base Blue.

If multipliers doesn't exist, then why are we talking about them ? That's a stupid point

Were talking about how much stronger we think Sign is, there is no official number but to me for example its 50x stronger than Blue.

FOR YOU, that's the point I wanted you to get to. Initially, you talked as if it was objective, thing that isn't at all

[FishermanJohnWest]

Goku never went toe to toe with berserker kefla. He could fight ssj kefla, but when berserker kicked in he got oneshotted

Kefla always used the berserk power, since Kale controlled it. hence why her hair is green.

And Goku with kaioken was beating her, but Goku was tired so it didn't help his case at all

Goku was "beating" the initial manifestation of berserker, then keflas power rose and she oneshotted him

Kefla power never rose though, only towards the end with Omen her power rose and it was said to be, SSJ Kefla hit Goku while he wasn't looking

[miguelnuva1]

If multipliers doesn't exist, then why are we talking about them ? That's a stupid point

Were talking about how much stronger we think Sign is, there is no official number but to me for example its 50x stronger than Blue.

FOR YOU, that's the point I wanted you to get to. Initially, you talked as if it was objective, thing that isn't at all

What? We know at minimum its greater than KKx20 Blue and the way Jiren looked I would say Goku was at least 2x Kkx20 in first omen.

I've said since the start I felt 5x SSGSS was good for Omen.