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by Locust » Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:49 pm
JulieYBM wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:47 pmOh, shit?! What if a new enemy was a cloned Blooma? Or an alternate universe Blooma where her poisonous attributes eventually made her into a threat of some sort and let Hisakawa Aya play two different characters who interact a lot?
I've read enough doujinshi to know where THIS is going
But in seriousness - I have a weakness for characters meeting.... "shadow" selves? Negative versions of themselves? Whatever the term for it is, it's a neat trope
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by JulieYBM » Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:55 pm
Locust wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:49 pm
JulieYBM wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:47 pmOh, shit?! What if a new enemy was a cloned Blooma? Or an alternate universe Blooma where her poisonous attributes eventually made her into a threat of some sort and let Hisakawa Aya play two different characters who interact a lot?
I've read enough doujinshi to know where THIS is going
But in seriousness - I have a weakness for characters meeting.... "shadow" selves? Negative versions of themselves? Whatever the term for it is, it's a neat trope
Haha, Evil Blooma making out with Good Blooma. Okay, okay, I'm being gay.
But yeah, why not do an arc where the narcissism of Blooma becomes a threat? Maybe Evil Blooma needs to kill Good Blooma to survive? Or something else?
Oof, then there could be an entire episode of the two Blooma's just talking, like Evangelion!
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by LoganForkHands73 » Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:49 pm
It'd probably be like Baby-infected Bulma. (sounds like an r/childfree way of saying "pregnant" but whatever) A legit evil genius femme fatale with no inhibitions and a massive ego.
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by JulieYBM » Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:27 pm
LoganForkHands73 wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:49 pm
It'd probably be like Baby-infected Bulma.
(sounds like an r/childfree way of saying "pregnant" but whatever) A legit evil genius femme fatale with no inhibitions and a massive ego.
Yeah, probably...but also, pandering to WLW who like domineering women. :p
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by WittyUsername » Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:02 pm
I have no clue what’s been going on in this thread, but I will point out that Kaioshin do have genders at the very least, and if Elder Kaioshin is any indication, they’re capable of having sexual desires (unless that’s a trait taken from that witch he fused with), so I don’t know if “asexual” is the right word to describe them.
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by JulieYBM » Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:44 pm
WittyUsername wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:02 pm
I have no clue what’s been going on in this thread,
WittyUsername wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:02 pmbut I will point out that Kaioshin do have genders at the very least, and if Elder Kaioshin is any indication, they’re capable of having sexual desires (unless that’s a trait taken from that witch he fused with), so I don’t know if “asexual” is the right word to describe them.
There's little evidence to suggest their sexuality but at the very least being asexual makes sense.
Not exactly great representation for the ace community, though.
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by SupremeKai25 » Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:13 am
If I'm not mistaken, the female Supreme Kai of Time (a videogame character) is attracted to men. This, coupled with Old Kai, means that Supreme Kais are not asexual (they might be biologically, but that is not the point). So the fact that Zamasu loves only himself and rejected Bulma says something about him.
At his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
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by Aim » Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:50 am
WittyUsername wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:02 pm
I have no clue what’s been going on in this thread, but I will point out that Kaioshin do have genders at the very least, and if Elder Kaioshin is any indication, they’re capable of having sexual desires (unless that’s a trait taken from that witch he fused with), so I don’t know if “asexual” is the right word to describe them.
Maybe like Namekian's, they just look the way they do because that's easier to draw, I guess. Namekian's don't really have males or females.
I think Elder Kaioshin is that way because of fusing with that Witch, or Toriyama was looking for another perverted character.
JulieYBM wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:44 pm
There's little evidence to suggest their sexuality but at the very least being asexual makes sense.
Not exactly great representation for the ace community, though.
I doubt they'd even need to have sexuality's, they're Core People, don't they just pop out of the ground?
SupremeKai25 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:13 am
If I'm not mistaken, the female Supreme Kai of Time (a videogame character) is attracted to men. This, coupled with Old Kai, means that Supreme Kais are not asexual (they might be biologically, but that is not the point). So the fact that Zamasu loves only himself and rejected Bulma says something about him.
Could you give some evidence? Even then, Chroana isn't canon.
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by Mike XL » Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:56 pm
Wanting to change Roshis personality is insane, that's who he's always been. The show is fiction, Roshi being a borderline sexual predator is fine because Dragonball is not real. Freeza is a psychopathic, genocidal tyrant, which to my knowledge is worse than being a pervert. Should they change his character too? It's fiction, there is no need to change anything.
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by JulieYBM » Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:02 pm
Mike XL wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:56 pm
Wanting to change Roshis personality is insane, that's who he's always been. The show is fiction, Roshi being a borderline sexual predator is fine because Dragonball is not real. Freeza is a psychopathic, genocidal tyrant, which to my knowledge is worse than being a pervert. Should they change his character too? It's fiction, there is no need to change anything.
The franchise is aimed at children and a mainstream audience. That's the issue. You realize that it's sexual harassment to show children stuff like this, right?
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by MasenkoHA » Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:03 pm
Mike XL wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:56 pm
Wanting to change Roshis personality is insane, that's who he's always been. The show is fiction, Roshi being a borderline sexual predator is fine because Dragonball is not real. Freeza is a psychopathic, genocidal tyrant, which to my knowledge is worse than being a pervert. Should they change his character too? It's fiction, there is no need to change anything.
That is a hilariously terrible comparison.
Freeza is suppose to be a bad guy. Nobody is asking for fiction to not have conflict or a villain.
Roshi’s sexual lechery and assault is treated incredibly light hearted . “Oh that rascally old scamp trying to grab Lunch’s ass while she’s cooking!”
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by Aim » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:06 pm
I mean, she said she was joking, I think most of the time these things are played up for laughs.
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by WittyUsername » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:12 pm
Aim wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:06 pm
I mean, she said she was joking, I think most of the time these things are played up for laughs.
Of course the scene is played for laughs. It’s not like they’re going to give her and Bardock a romantic subplot. I’m just pointing out that this is probably what SupremeKai25 was referring to.
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by Mike XL » Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:44 pm
JulieYBM wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:02 pm
Mike XL wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:56 pm
Wanting to change Roshis personality is insane, that's who he's always been. The show is fiction, Roshi being a borderline sexual predator is fine because Dragonball is not real. Freeza is a psychopathic, genocidal tyrant, which to my knowledge is worse than being a pervert. Should they change his character too? It's fiction, there is no need to change anything.
The franchise is aimed at children and a mainstream audience. That's the issue. You realize that it's sexual harassment to show children stuff like this, right?
There is still murder in the franchise, which is worse than anything Roshi does. It's fiction, I trust the children who watch to understand the difference.
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by Mike XL » Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:47 pm
MasenkoHA wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:03 pm
Mike XL wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:56 pm
Wanting to change Roshis personality is insane, that's who he's always been. The show is fiction, Roshi being a borderline sexual predator is fine because Dragonball is not real. Freeza is a psychopathic, genocidal tyrant, which to my knowledge is worse than being a pervert. Should they change his character too? It's fiction, there is no need to change anything.
That is a hilariously terrible comparison.
Freeza is suppose to be a bad guy. Nobody is asking for fiction to not have conflict or a villain.
Roshi’s sexual lechery and assault is treated incredibly light hearted . “Oh that rascally old scamp trying to grab Lunch’s ass while she’s cooking!”
In the original Dragonball, every time Roshi tries something, he gets foiled, in usually comedically violent fashion. He's almost never successful. I do think they went over the top in the TOP where a female eliminated herself to save herself from being raped, wasn't a fan of that at all,(Can't remember who) but other than that, he's never successful.
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by JulieYBM » Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:23 am
Mike XL wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:44 pm
JulieYBM wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:02 pm
Mike XL wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:56 pm
Wanting to change Roshis personality is insane, that's who he's always been. The show is fiction, Roshi being a borderline sexual predator is fine because Dragonball is not real. Freeza is a psychopathic, genocidal tyrant, which to my knowledge is worse than being a pervert. Should they change his character too? It's fiction, there is no need to change anything.
The franchise is aimed at children and a mainstream audience. That's the issue. You realize that it's sexual harassment to show children stuff like this, right?
There is still murder in the franchise, which is worse than anything Roshi does. It's fiction, I trust the children who watch to understand the difference.
You're still exposing children to sexual content. That's wrong and disgusting.
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by Aim » Sat Jul 25, 2020 4:12 am
Mike XL wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:44 pm
There is still murder in the franchise, which is worse than anything Roshi does. It's fiction, I trust the children who watch to understand the difference.
You trust that children just simply know the difference between right and wrong? Children pick up a lot of things from TV, surprisingly.
It doesn't matter really whether Roshi is punished or not for doing the things he does, kids may think they can do it as a joke, and lets be honest, if that kind of behavior continues into adult-hood, it's not like the majority of people are going to turn around and hit them.
Roshi was acting like a literally rapist in Super in that episode at Tenshinhan's Dojo, bad guys usually die, I wouldn't be trying to argue that acting like a serial predator is not as bad as killing an evil villain.
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by Trouser » Sat Jul 25, 2020 6:35 am
Please, keep that PC crap away from Dragon Ball. Nothing should be changed aside from animation (which would be new) and maybe voice actors (it's understandable why).
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by Jiren The Alpha » Sat Jul 25, 2020 6:37 am
It's not tv shows job to raise children, it's their parents job.
And if people don't like dark humor then that's okay, but don't tell Toriyama what to write and what not to write.
I don't like poop jokes but I'm not gonna tell him to stop if he likes to write them.