What would a reboot have to do in order to comply to today's standards?

[ABED]

The way its portrayed is that it's a harmless indiscretion.

[SupremeKai25]

Poop jokes and rape jokes are not the same thing.... there's a scene in Super where Roshi literally tries to molest a female fighter from U4, and she is forced to eliminate herself out of fear.

[MasenkoHA]

Please, keep that PC crap away from Dragon Ball. Nothing should be changed aside from animation (which would be new) and maybe voice actors (it's understandable why).

Not wanting a sexual predator and borderline rapist to be played off as “haha that silly old man can’t catch a break!” is PC crap now?

There’s a difference between dark humor and treating something horrible as no big deal.

Dark and sexual humor is fine (though maybe not the best at stuff aimed at children) dismissing sexual lechery as no big deal and silly antics is not fine especially when many sexual abuse victims are afraid to come forward and get told what happens to them is no big deal.

You can also remove that aspect from Roshi and lose nothing. He can fawn over pretty girls and look at nude magazines without trying to grope women without their consent and be the exact same character.

[Jiren The Alpha]

Poop jokes and rape jokes are not the same thing.... there's a scene in Super where Roshi literally tries to molest a female fighter from U4, and she is forced to eliminate herself out of fear.

I'm not saying it's the same thing, i'm saying humor is subjective, people that don't like a rape jokes or poop jokes should not have the power to remove it if the author don't want to.

People should not tell an artist what to make or what not to make, if they don't like it then just move on.

[SupremeKai25]

Poop jokes and rape jokes are not the same thing.... there's a scene in Super where Roshi literally tries to molest a female fighter from U4, and she is forced to eliminate herself out of fear.

I'm not saying it's the same thing, i'm saying humor is subjective, people that don't like a rape jokes or poop jokes should not have the power to remove it if the author don't want to.

People should not tell an artist what to make or what not to make, if they don't like it then just move on.

You're naive if you think people should just move on. Media has a lot of influence on people, especially very popular shows like Dragon Ball, so if the writers make unsavory jokes like rape jokes then this should be pointed out. Especially when the subject of these jokes is supposed to be a "good guy".

[MasenkoHA]

Poop jokes and rape jokes are not the same thing.... there's a scene in Super where Roshi literally tries to molest a female fighter from U4, and she is forced to eliminate herself out of fear.

I'm not saying it's the same thing, i'm saying humor is subjective, people that don't like a rape jokes or poop jokes should not have the power to remove it if the author don't want to.

People should not tell an artist what to make or what not to make, if they don't like it then just move on.

You're naive if you think people should just move on. Media has a lot of influence on people, especially very popular shows like Dragon Ball, so if the writers make unsavory jokes like rape jokes then this should be pointed out. Especially when the subject of these jokes is supposed to be a "good guy".

This.

There are plenty of instances of allusions to sexual assault in Dragon Ball that I think are fine because they’re not coming from one of the good guys.

The joke in episode 11 that Bulma thinks Pilaf is going to rape her but he just blows her a kiss and then she terrifies him by listing off things she thought he might do to her is fine because the joke is Pilaf, the villain, thinks blowing a kiss is dastardly and obscene and then gets scared by Bulma listing off actual lewd acts (Although Oolong’s excitement and subsequent disappointment is pretty heinous)


The scene in episode 46 when the two Red Ribbon soldiers attempt to rape Bulma is fine because A. It never goes past some comments about having fun with her and advancing toward her B. Bulma breaks the fourth wall by pointing out what they want to do wouldn’t be appropriate for this kind of show/manga C. They’re bad guys.

Nappa suggesting (albeit not directly) that he and Vegeta should rape a bunch of earth women to breed super powerful half human/half saiyan hybrids is also fine because he’s a genocidal space pirate.

Roshi the silly but wise old martial arts master trying to grope women when they’re not paying attention or passed out is not okay because he’s one of the good guys and the series never treats as anything but a ol pervert trying to have some fun and getting foiled by bad luck.

Context matters.

[JulieYBM]

Please, keep that PC crap away from Dragon Ball. Nothing should be changed aside from animation (which would be new) and maybe voice actors (it's understandable why).

What exactly is 'politically correct' and thus 'crap'? Not intentionally exposing kids to sexual content?

It's not tv shows job to raise children, it's their parents job.

And if people don't like dark humor then that's okay, but don't tell Toriyama what to write and what not to write.

I don't like poop jokes but I'm not gonna tell him to stop if he likes to write them.

The issue is that you're making children's media with clear references to sex, pornography, and rape. That's not just a moral issue (which is on it's own enough to worry about) it's a potential legal issue.

[Locust]

People should not tell an artist what to make or what not to make, if they don't like it then just move on.

People have every right to criticize media

As a manga artist myself, one that is currently submitting manuscripts to various manga magazines in the hopes of getting a regular series published, if I create something that people feel is off, the audience has every right to tell me "hey, this went too far/this was off colour/etc etc etc"

That's part of being a creator, as soon as you release something into the public, in some ways, it no longer becomes "just yours"

That's part of the responsibility of being a creator

[Grimlock]

Imagine coming to the Internet in 2020 to see people saying that people should not have the power to stop an author from doing "rape joke" and should just "move on" from it. This is so wrong and problematic in so many levels... I... I don't even...

[ABED]

I don't see this as an issue of ownership, but art is about communication. The audience has every right to say "too far, that's so wrong." That's kinda the whole point. Artists put stuff into the world and the implicit question being asked is "This is how I see the world, what I find interesting, right and wrong, funny, etc. Does anyone agree?"

[JulieYBM]

To repeat myself: Dragon Ball isn't an erotic franchise for adults, it's a franchise for kids. Children cannot consent to this kind of content.

[Jiren The Alpha]

People should not tell an artist what to make or what not to make, if they don't like it then just move on.

People have every right to criticize media

As a manga artist myself, one that is currently submitting manuscripts to various manga magazines in the hopes of getting a regular series published, if I create something that people feel is off, the audience has every right to tell me "hey, this went too far/this was off colour/etc etc etc"

That's part of being a creator, as soon as you release something into the public, in some ways, it no longer becomes "just yours"

That's part of the responsibility of being a creator

Yes people have every right to criticze your work, but they don't have the right to chance something they don't like.

If i told you to stop writing sad moments in your stories, would you do it?

[ABED]

This isn't the same as writing a sad moment. The whole point of art is to move the audience emotionally. Not only is this joke in poor taste it sends the wrong message to any audience but especially children. It would be one thing to have the villain do it, but having one of the heroes do it is awful.

[JulieYBM]

People should not tell an artist what to make or what not to make, if they don't like it then just move on.

People have every right to criticize media

As a manga artist myself, one that is currently submitting manuscripts to various manga magazines in the hopes of getting a regular series published, if I create something that people feel is off, the audience has every right to tell me "hey, this went too far/this was off colour/etc etc etc"

That's part of being a creator, as soon as you release something into the public, in some ways, it no longer becomes "just yours"

That's part of the responsibility of being a creator

Yes people have every right to criticze your work, but they don't have the right to chance something they don't like.

If i told you to stop writing sad moments in your stories, would you do it?

Equating 'sad moments' to 'unpunished attempts by a protagonist to rape women' does not a thing. Not only are you being extraordinarily vague in your example you're comparing it to the act of punching down on woman for a lame-ass reason like "for the lolz".

[Locust]

Yes people have every right to criticze your work, but they don't have the right to chance something they don't like.

If i told you to stop writing sad moments in your stories would you do it?

Bad comparison

If, I put something out to the world that quite a lot of people reacted badly too, and complained about - then I, as the creator, would do introspection and take their complaints seriously

I could, after doing that introspection, either disagree with their critiques - as all creators have the right to do - and continue as I was

Or - agree that there is validity to what they are saying, and in future, I would adjust how I approach certain subjects

Content creators ultimately have responsibility about what we put into the world, particularly those of us that make content covering controversial subjects

And I should say - I make material in the seinen demographic - for adult men
There would not even be a conversation about this if, I made material for the shounen demographic, because I'm wise enough to not put controversial/disgusting content in media aimed at children

To repeat myself: Dragon Ball isn't an erotic franchise for adults, it's a franchise for kids. Children cannot consent to this kind of content.

Right on the money - thats the reason so many complaints were put in about that particular episode, in Japan

[Jiren The Alpha]

Yes it was a bad example, but what I'm trying to say is, the audience should not have the power to chance something in a story, they can criticize and complain all they want but not chance it.

Do the people in Japan even care? have they complain about Roshi?

What about the fighting in Dragon Ball? Vegito the hero bullying Super buu or is that okay because super buu was evil? so it's okay for Dragon Ball to teaches kids about revenge? and resolve conflicts with your fist?

I DON'T SUPPORT RAPE BY THE WAY.....but i do support dark humor and the freedom to tell a dark joke.

[Locust]

Do the people in Japan even care?

Yes

have they complain about Roshi?

Yes

The rest I'm not even gonna address because I feel like the reasons why this Roshi content is bad has been spelled out enough and I'm not sure how many times people can say the same thing

[Jiren The Alpha]

Do the people in Japan even care?

Yes

have they complain about Roshi?

Yes

The rest I'm not even gonna address because I feel like the reasons why this Roshi content is bad has been spelled out enough and I'm not sure how many times people can say the same thing

Prove?

And good luck with your manga

[ABED]

Yes it was a bad example, but what I'm trying to say is, the audience should not have the power to chance something in a story, they can criticize and complain all they want but not chance it.

Do the people in Japan even care? have they complain about Roshi?

What about the fighting in Dragon Ball? Vegito the hero bullying Super buu or is that okay because super buu was evil? so it's okay for Dragon Ball to teaches kids about revenge? and resolve conflicts with your fist?

I DON'T SUPPORT RAPE BY THE WAY.....but i do support dark humor and the freedom to tell a dark joke.

These false equivocations don't feel earnest or in good faith.

[Locust]

Prove?

Proof? For complaints?

Well, there is this -
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/intere ... nt/.117351

And good luck with your manga

Thank you