State of the Dragon Ball/Dragon Ball Z Broadcast Audio?

[Robo4900]

Back to the guy who leaked it, he was definitely one of those edgy assholes who likes to shit on progressives & LGBT people, but cry when someone shit on him for being straight lmao. I say this because I don't know if you saw, the guy was literally spouting some reactionary language in his leak.

I don't remember him doing that, but I remember some people saying some heinous shit in the comments section, probably prompted by the hate on the Kanzenshuu crew.

And FWIW, he did take these torrents down (though they were later reuploaded with different descriptions), and edited the descriptions of the others to rescind the stuff he said. (In particular, the situation regarding the stuff he thought I and my friends were "hoarding" was explained to him, apparently, and he accordingly removed the hate on us as a result)

[VegettoEX]

I can't even begin to imagine what I or Kanzenshuu as an entity could possibly have to do with any of this, but completely independent of that, please keep the personal drama to yourselves. This goes against our mission and our community guidelines.

[Robo4900]

I can't even begin to imagine what I or Kanzenshuu as an entity could possibly have to do with any of this,

To be honest, neither can I.

but completely independent of that, please keep the personal drama to yourselves. This goes against our mission and our community guidelines.

Sorry.

There's a lot of personal drama that got involved in this situation. I'll try better to untangle it in future when explaining this stuff.

Just to be crystal clear here: I'm not intending to stir up anything by making these posts (as far as I'm concerned, most of what happened is just water under the bridge. My only real regrets are just that this or that thing went wrong which prevented an official release, but I try not to lay blame at anyone's feet. Blame doesn't help anything, particularly not in a situation like this); I'm just relaying my recollections of what happened with the broadcast audio recovery. People seem to be interested in what went on, and I think most of the people other than myself who were involved in this have no desire to talk about it, so I thought I'd tell my side.
But, as I say, I'll make a better effort at keeping the personal drama out of it. A lot of it is quite intertwined with what went on, so I included it without thinking, and I probably shouldn't have. My apologies.

[Aim]

I don't remember him doing that, but I remember some people saying some heinous shit in the comments section, probably prompted by the hate on the Kanzenshuu crew.

And FWIW, he did take these torrents down (though they were later reuploaded with different descriptions), and edited the descriptions of the others to rescind the stuff he said. (In particular, the situation regarding the stuff he thought I and my friends were "hoarding" was explained to him, apparently, and he accordingly removed the hate on us as a result)

Interesting, even so, would FUNimation be able to release the BA without Toei's permission? If not, then what is the point anyway? The fandom cares a lot more about this franchise than the companies do, unfortunately, it's not everyday you see people go out their way to sync up the BA with the DB's with additional subtitles. I just wonder if Toei didn't care, how would FUNimation get the rights to use the BA? I could be totally wrong on this so correct me if need be.

I can't even begin to imagine what I or Kanzenshuu as an entity could possibly have to do with any of this, but completely independent of that, please keep the personal drama to yourselves. This goes against our mission and our community guidelines.

We aren't blaming you. I'm not even involved in this personal drama, I'm curious to what happened, this is something huge in the history of this franchise, this isn't just petty drama, I don't think it's unreasonable to want to know details of how these tapes were kept for so long and why there's such hatred for this site. Because, Mike, face it, out of all the Dragon Ball fandom community sites, this one is the most progressive, which is extremely rare considering that a show like this usually attracts some toxic personalities to say the least. And I mean that, just take a look at those toxic "irl fighting" forums, they are littered with right wingers, some of the worst human beings to walk the Earth in my opinion. This is beginning to turn into a gratitude post and I forgot what else I was going to say, I think it was that I want to know what happened so there's none of this misinformation that people spread to create hate, seriously, again, we are incredibly lucky to even by chance to have to say the least a "left Dragon Ball site" that doesn't tolerate the edgy shit heads that make up most of the fandom, I want to be able to say to someone who is spreading lies, "No, here's what most likely happened, Kanzenshuu isn't to blame here".

[MCDaveG]

I don't remember him doing that, but I remember some people saying some heinous shit in the comments section, probably prompted by the hate on the Kanzenshuu crew.

And FWIW, he did take these torrents down (though they were later reuploaded with different descriptions), and edited the descriptions of the others to rescind the stuff he said. (In particular, the situation regarding the stuff he thought I and my friends were "hoarding" was explained to him, apparently, and he accordingly removed the hate on us as a result)

Interesting, even so, would FUNimation be able to release the BA without Toei's permission? If not, then what is the point anyway? The fandom cares a lot more about this franchise than the companies do, unfortunately, it's not everyday you see people go out their way to sync up the BA with the DB's with additional subtitles. I just wonder if Toei didn't care, how would FUNimation get the rights to use the BA? I could be totally wrong on this so correct me if need be.

My fault for writing long and probably uninteresting elaborates, but as I have wrote before, I reall doubt that TOEI, Bandai, Shueisha or any other company will let foreigners meddle with their property, more so the licensors...
Japanese companies, put aside the Japanese view of trusting the JP and not the foreigners with things, the corporations we are talking about can't be more corporation-like than they are, thus they may be open to suggestions but doubt they will let Funimation or anyone else to work with their properties outside of usine the license and localize the products.

More so, if the broadcast audio was obtained, doesn't Fuji have it?

[Robo4900]

Interesting, even so, would FUNimation be able to release the BA without Toei's permission? If not, then what is the point anyway? The fandom cares a lot more about this franchise than the companies do, unfortunately, it's not everyday you see people go out their way to sync up the BA with the DB's with additional subtitles. I just wonder if Toei didn't care, how would FUNimation get the rights to use the BA? I could be totally wrong on this so correct me if need be.

Here's the thing: I really don't think Toei gives a rat's ass either way. If Funi wanted to do it, I highly doubt Toei would object.

My fault for writing long and probably uninteresting elaborates, but as I have wrote before, I reall doubt that TOEI, Bandai, Shueisha or any other company will let foreigners meddle with their property, more so the licensors...
Japanese companies, put aside the Japanese view of trusting the JP and not the foreigners with things, the corporations we are talking about can't be more corporation-like than they are, thus they may be open to suggestions but doubt they will let Funimation or anyone else to work with their properties outside of usine the license and localize the products.

Except, Funimation created their own HD masters of Z and the movies. Clearly, Toei are fine with the distributors making their own masters however they care to.

More so, if the broadcast audio was obtained, doesn't Fuji have it?

Fuji has GT's audio, but nothing else.

[jelleline89]

Honestly, both sides of the BA incident were so toxic and rude that I was thrilled to see it finally leaked. As far as I knew, there was a sense of entitlement and elitism when it came to who had access to these and who couldn't, it was sickening. The leaker could have been been a little nicer about it, but hell, it's not like their resentment came from nowhere. If the original collectors truly wanted FUNi ti have it and no one else, they shouldn't have shared it with their friends and their friends' friends, plain and simple. And let's be real, it being publicly accessible didn't harm the chances of FUNi using it, that was just an excuse people used to keep it elusive to themselves. Whether it was leaked or not, Toei was never going to use it or allow FUNi to. People will disagree with me, but there is absolutely no evidence to suggest the leak damaged the chances at all.

Rant over.

[kei17]

A sense of entitlement and elitism, huh? You guys absolutely love to suspect bullshit without reason. Stop spitting on someone you know nothing about and just shut up and enjoy your fangasm brought to you by the thankless contributor. You got what you wanted. I will still keep seeking for the best way to make it official, but I will never comment on anything about it to stay away from this kind of crap.

[sangofe]

A sense of entitlement and elitism, huh? You guys absolutely love to suspect bullshit without reason. Stop spitting on someone you know nothing about and just shut up and enjoy your fangasm brought to you by the thankless contributor. You got what you wanted. I will still keep seeking for the best way to make it official, but I will never comment on anything about it to stay away from this kind of crap.

Speaking of making it official, if AB's future BD release of DB happens it'd be great for it to have the best broadcast audio.

[Robo4900]

If the original collectors truly wanted FUNi ti have it and no one else, they shouldn't have shared it with their friends and their friends' friends, plain and simple.

They didn't, though. They shared it with some guys who said they would give it to Funimation. At first, the handful of people involved seemed to do the right thing; two guys in particular are well-respected members of this community, and as I recall, all of that tiny, little group had contact with Chris Sabat, and all of them worked together to give him samples (IIRC one of them met up with him in person to hand-deliver a USB stick or something), which first piqued his interest. However, one of these guys ended up giving what they got to a friend or two, and those friends gave those to some friends... And, quite justifiably, the collector who was supplying the recordings got angry, and walked away from the situation.

I'm not assigning blame here; that helps no one. But not only that, your attempt to assign blame to the collectors, who generously shared their collections with official rightsholders (at least, as far as they knew), is a clear sign that you don't know what happened here.

And let's be real, it being publicly accessible didn't harm the chances of FUNi using it,

We know it did. Chris Sabat specifically said that the leak destroyed his enthusiasm to get it used on a release. Before the leak, his literal words to me and my fellow audio hunters when we first sent along the Z episodes were "I will do everything in my power to get this used on a Funimation release." Quite a change in attitude, wouldn't you say?

Whether it was leaked or not, Toei was never going to use it or allow FUNi to.

This is an excuse people use to try to make it okay that it leaked. You can believe that if you want, but there's no evidence of this, meanwhile there's mountainous evidence that Toei don't give a rat's ass about stuff like this (one need only look at the fact that Funi has been putting out HD home video of stuff Toei didn't do that with since 2011. Their movie BDs, in particular, came years before Toei did the same, and were great. We complain about their HD Z releases, but as far as Toei are concerned, and as far as the wider consumer audience is concerned, HD is HD, therefore Funi have the superior product. And on the audio side, even though Funi are working with the same optical audio as Toei are, Funi's home video runs some filtering to make it sound a bit more tolerable. Toei's home video, the Dragon Boxes, never did this).

People will disagree with me, but there is absolutely no evidence to suggest the leak damaged the chances at all.

Unlike you, I was actually involved in this whole mess from as early as 2016, and having been directly sending stuff along to Chris Sabat, and thus being privy to his words on the situation, I can confirm that you have no idea what you're talking about.

If there's any sense of entitlement here, it's on the part of those who are glad it leaked "because it means I get to enjoy it"... Sure, you get to enjoy it, as will the rest of the few hundred people who prefer to pirate Dragon Ball, who will go for the specific versions that contain this audio. Meanwhile, the vast, VAST majority of fans get to hear nothing of this, and the actual license holders continue to use subpar materials for their official releases.

The leaks are the reason the broadcast audio is not on an official release. There is no two ways about it. This isn't about blame, drama, or any personal vendettas -- I'll tell the story to anyone who wants to hear it, but it doesn't matter who did what or why, what matters is that what's done is done. And in this case, what's done is that the vast majority of Dragon Ball fans will likely never get to watch Dragon Ball with the broadcast audio. And if you ask me, that's fucking tragic.

Honestly, both sides of the BA incident were so toxic and rude that I was thrilled to see it finally leaked.

The people actually trying to get this stuff to the official hands, the "side" that wasn't for leaking it, generally stayed away from the public eye. We didn't care about glory or attention, we just wanted Dragon Ball's home video to be better, that's it. Some of us (mostly myself) have talked about it here, to clear up misconceptions and answer peoples' questions on it. If you ask me, that doesn't seem particularly "toxic and rude."
As for the leakers, whose ideology I disagree with, the guys I talked to were quite civil for the most prat. I chatted with one of them when I found out in advance that they were going to leak everything, for the very first leak. Nice person, but they and I had conflicting views on this, and there wasn't anything I could do to convince them to not leak it. I wished them well, they wished me well. The more recent leak had a pretty mean and rude torrent description, but that was later taken down, so... To be honest, I think most of what you've read in regards to this is troll comments (which, like all other forms of trolling, are literally only there to annoy people and stir up trouble).
But rather than recognise that, and/or rather than taking the time to actually talk to the people who tried so hard at this, you're judging everyone who was involved in this effort from maybe a handful of troll posts and moments of venting of frustrations you've read in relation to this. (In particular, the collectors who donated stuff, with the understanding that it was an above-board donation to an official licenseholder, are understandably cross that their collection is now the subject of mass piracy)

So, to be frank, and no offense intended here, you know nothing about this thing which you are making out to be an expert on, and I suggest you do your research before you go ranting about your rather naive, ill-informed take on the story, particularly if you're intending to rant directly to the people who were actually there when this was going down.
The truth is that a lot of people worked very hard to get this audio into official hands, and it sucks for all of us that it didn't happen, and while the leaks do mean that some of us get to enjoy this stuff now, it's hardly any substitute for what we were actually working for.

Apologies if this post comes off harsh, but you're wrong about the most basic of facts here, and I can't let that go un-addressed.

[Apollo Fungus]

Hello. I haven't logged into this forum for like a year and a half, but I have been regularly lurking on various threads and I wanted to jump back in to ask a quick question about all this.

It's been said on many occasions that the leaking of the broadcast audio means that it can't be included on home video releases now, despite Chris Sabat being given it beforehand and saying that he would try to do so. My question is simply this: why can't it be included on home video now that it's leaked?

I don't mean anything else by that question. I'm not looking to pick a fight or shout blame down someone's direction, nor do I wish to make assumptions about anything; I just want to understand why. I feel like whenever it's been discussed that there's this assumption that the reasons for plans being irrevocably derailed are well known or at least self-evident. Maybe they are and I just haven't been paying attention in the right places, I'll cop to that as someone who is aware of the general situation but not specific details, but I don't know what those reasons are - or at least, they're not self-evident to me.

I can accept that this is what's happened, and I do wish that things had turned out well (or at least there wasn't so much bad blood between folks who were involved in the trenches of the matter), but I'd just like to know why the broadcast audio being leaked prevents it from being included in the home release. (Or why did Sabat lose enthusiasm, if that wording makes more sense?)

[jelleline89]

If the original collectors truly wanted FUNi ti have it and no one else, they shouldn't have shared it with their friends and their friends' friends, plain and simple.

They didn't, though. They shared it with some guys who said they would give it to Funimation. At first, the handful of people involved seemed to do the right thing; two guys in particular are well-respected members of this community, and as I recall, all of that tiny, little group had contact with Chris Sabat, and all of them worked together to give him samples (IIRC one of them met up with him in person to hand-deliver a USB stick or something), which first piqued his interest. However, one of these guys ended up giving what they got to a friend or two, and those friends gave those to some friends... And, quite justifiably, the collector who was supplying the recordings got angry, and walked away from the situation.

I'm not assigning blame here; that helps no one. But not only that, your attempt to assign blame to the collectors, who generously shared their collections with official rightsholders (at least, as far as they knew), is a clear sign that you don't know what happened here.

And let's be real, it being publicly accessible didn't harm the chances of FUNi using it,

We know it did. Chris Sabat specifically said that the leak destroyed his enthusiasm to get it used on a release. Before the leak, his literal words to me and my fellow audio hunters when we first sent along the Z episodes were "I will do everything in my power to get this used on a Funimation release." Quite a change in attitude, wouldn't you say?

Whether it was leaked or not, Toei was never going to use it or allow FUNi to.

This is an excuse people use to try to make it okay that it leaked. You can believe that if you want, but there's no evidence of this, meanwhile there's mountainous evidence that Toei don't give a rat's ass about stuff like this (one need only look at the fact that Funi has been putting out HD home video of stuff Toei didn't do that with since 2011. Their movie BDs, in particular, came years before Toei did the same, and were great. We complain about their HD Z releases, but as far as Toei are concerned, and as far as the wider consumer audience is concerned, HD is HD, therefore Funi have the superior product. And on the audio side, even though Funi are working with the same optical audio as Toei are, Funi's home video runs some filtering to make it sound a bit more tolerable. Toei's home video, the Dragon Boxes, never did this).

People will disagree with me, but there is absolutely no evidence to suggest the leak damaged the chances at all.

Unlike you, I was actually involved in this whole mess from as early as 2016, and having been directly sending stuff along to Chris Sabat, and thus being privy to his words on the situation, I can confirm that you have no idea what you're talking about.

If there's any sense of entitlement here, it's on the part of those who are glad it leaked "because it means I get to enjoy it"... Sure, you get to enjoy it, as will the rest of the few hundred people who prefer to pirate Dragon Ball, who will go for the specific versions that contain this audio. Meanwhile, the vast, VAST majority of fans get to hear nothing of this, and the actual license holders continue to use subpar materials for their official releases.

The leaks are the reason the broadcast audio is not on an official release. There is no two ways about it. This isn't about blame, drama, or any personal vendettas -- I'll tell the story to anyone who wants to hear it, but it doesn't matter who did what or why, what matters is that what's done is done. And in this case, what's done is that the vast majority of Dragon Ball fans will likely never get to watch Dragon Ball with the broadcast audio. And if you ask me, that's fucking tragic.

Honestly, both sides of the BA incident were so toxic and rude that I was thrilled to see it finally leaked.

The people actually trying to get this stuff to the official hands, the "side" that wasn't for leaking it, generally stayed away from the public eye. We didn't care about glory or attention, we just wanted Dragon Ball's home video to be better, that's it. Some of us (mostly myself) have talked about it here, to clear up misconceptions and answer peoples' questions on it. If you ask me, that doesn't seem particularly "toxic and rude."
As for the leakers, whose ideology I disagree with, the guys I talked to were quite civil for the most prat. I chatted with one of them when I found out in advance that they were going to leak everything, for the very first leak. Nice person, but they and I had conflicting views on this, and there wasn't anything I could do to convince them to not leak it. I wished them well, they wished me well. The more recent leak had a pretty mean and rude torrent description, but that was later taken down, so... To be honest, I think most of what you've read in regards to this is troll comments (which, like all other forms of trolling, are literally only there to annoy people and stir up trouble).
But rather than recognise that, and/or rather than taking the time to actually talk to the people who tried so hard at this, you're judging everyone who was involved in this effort from maybe a handful of troll posts and moments of venting of frustrations you've read in relation to this. (In particular, the collectors who donated stuff, with the understanding that it was an above-board donation to an official licenseholder, are understandably cross that their collection is now the subject of mass piracy)

So, to be frank, and no offense intended here, you know nothing about this thing which you are making out to be an expert on, and I suggest you do your research before you go ranting about your rather naive, ill-informed take on the story, particularly if you're intending to rant directly to the people who were actually there when this was going down.
The truth is that a lot of people worked very hard to get this audio into official hands, and it sucks for all of us that it didn't happen, and while the leaks do mean that some of us get to enjoy this stuff now, it's hardly any substitute for what we were actually working for.

Apologies if this post comes off harsh, but you're wrong about the most basic of facts here, and I can't let that go un-addressed.

There's so much I wish I could say right now, but I'll keep it brief.

The file-sharing in the DBZ community has always been toxic. Whether it has been with this broadcast audio, the Westwood dub, or the lost NEPs with Dale Kelly did. Let's not forget about the guy who smashed VHS tapes of this rare content so no one else could have it. He went as far as to upload his demolition to YouTube, just to run it in. There has always been elitism when it comes to the distribution of rare DBZ content, and the BA was no different.

Chris Sabat only holds so much sway, which didn't guarantee a thing when it came to this BA. He's the one responsible for bringing in TeamFourStar for the Z Kai Final Chapters cameo that was ultimately scrapped so last minute, they said to resort to original Z audio to replace it. He also reached out to Mark de Groot to do a English cover of Super's first cover, which also got rejected. I have no doubt Sabat had ambition with this, but that doesn't mean much if higher-ups veto him at every turn.

I still stand by my opinion that not enough was done to keep the distribution of BA directly to Sabat and no one else. It quickly turned into something that only some people could have and not others. It was at that point when the entire project's secrecy became redundant since it was no longer elusive to the DBZ community as a whole but more so to members not fortunate enough to be in the good graces of certain others.

As for Funi and Toei no longer using the audio now because of the leak, just look at Doctor Who. Numerous episodes of the series have been lost and official efforts have been made to recover those episodes by any means. I doubt the BBC would reject acquired episodes just because they leaked online first, so why should it be any different here? Whether it's online or not, it shouldn't impact the value it could have in official releases.

[Planetnamek]

Hold the phone, some guy smashed some rare tapes of DB stuff just so no one else could have it? Wow that's the ultimate dick move What was on those tapes anyways?

[SuperSaiyaManZ94]

Wait a minute, so this aforementioned person literally destroyed videos of super rare Dragon Ball stuff just because they were all "Na na na na you can't have this!!!!"and then went so far as to post a video about it??? That seems like a really petty, selfish (not to mention quite frankly mean and spiteful) thing to do.

[jelleline89]

Hold the phone, some guy smashed some rare tapes of DB stuff just so no one else could have it? Wow that's the ultimate dick move What was on those tapes anyways?

Wait a minute, so this aforementioned person literally destroyed videos of super rare Dragon Ball stuff just because they were all "Na na na na you can't have this!!!!"and then went so far as to post a video about it??? That seems like a really petty, selfish (not to mention quite frankly mean and spiteful) thing to do.

I believe they were the aforementioned NEPs feat. Dale Kelly from Toonami recordings that were never fully released in FUNi's original DVD volumes. This guy made a long video explaining issues he had with another user and that by smashing the tapes, said user would never have access to them again. Cut to the user taking a hammer and smashing each tape with it, pathetically I might add, with DBZ music playing in the background like it was some heroic act. The video got removed a while back, likely because of how cringe this guy realized it looked to the regular Joe.

[Planetnamek]

Hold the phone, some guy smashed some rare tapes of DB stuff just so no one else could have it? Wow that's the ultimate dick move What was on those tapes anyways?

Wait a minute, so this aforementioned person literally destroyed videos of super rare Dragon Ball stuff just because they were all "Na na na na you can't have this!!!!"and then went so far as to post a video about it??? That seems like a really petty, selfish (not to mention quite frankly mean and spiteful) thing to do.

I believe they were the aforementioned NEPs feat. Dale Kelly from Toonami recordings that were never fully released in FUNi's original DVD volumes. This guy made a long video explaining issues he had with another user and that by smashing the tapes, said user would never have access to them again. Cut to the user taking a hammer and smashing each tape with it, pathetically I might add, with DBZ music playing in the background like it was some heroic act. The video got removed a while back, likely because of how cringe this guy realized it looked to the regular Joe.

I have many colorful insults for scum like that, far too many to list here. Even if the other user was being a dick, punishing everyone else for something one person did is just a colossal asshole move.

As someone that fondly remembers Dale Kelly's NEPs, the fact that we lost several of them because of one egotistical dickhead's power-trip really brings my piss to a boil.

[coola]

We know it did. Chris Sabat specifically said that the leak destroyed his enthusiasm to get it used on a release. Before the leak, his literal words to me and my fellow audio hunters when we first sent along the Z episodes were "I will do everything in my power to get this used on a Funimation release." Quite a change in attitude, wouldn't you say?
This is an excuse people use to try to make it okay that it leaked. You can believe that if you want, but there's no evidence of this, meanwhile there's mountainous evidence that Toei don't give a rat's ass about stuff like this (one need only look at the fact that Funi has been putting out HD home video of stuff Toei didn't do that with since 2011. Their movie BDs, in particular, came years before Toei did the same, and were great. We complain about their HD Z releases, but as far as Toei are concerned, and as far as the wider consumer audience is concerned, HD is HD, therefore Funi have the superior product. And on the audio side, even though Funi are working with the same optical audio as Toei are, Funi's home video runs some filtering to make it sound a bit more tolerable. Toei's home video, the Dragon Boxes, never did this).

There's so much I wish I could say right now, but I'll keep it brief.

The file-sharing in the DBZ community has always been toxic. Whether it has been with this broadcast audio, the Westwood dub, or the lost NEPs with Dale Kelly did. Let's not forget about the guy who smashed VHS tapes of this rare content so no one else could have it. He went as far as to upload his demolition to YouTube, just to run it in. There has always been elitism when it comes to the distribution of rare DBZ content, and the BA was no different.

Chris Sabat only holds so much sway, which didn't guarantee a thing when it came to this BA. He's the one responsible for bringing in TeamFourStar for the Z Kai Final Chapters cameo that was ultimately scrapped so last minute, they said to resort to original Z audio to replace it. He also reached out to Mark de Groot to do a English cover of Super's first cover, which also got rejected. I have no doubt Sabat had ambition with this, but that doesn't mean much if higher-ups veto him at every turn.

I still stand by my opinion that not enough was done to keep the distribution of BA directly to Sabat and no one else. It quickly turned into something that only some people could have and not others. It was at that point when the entire project's secrecy became redundant since it was no longer elusive to the DBZ community as a whole but more so to members not fortunate enough to be in the good graces of certain others.

As for Funi and Toei no longer using the audio now because of the leak, just look at Doctor Who. Numerous episodes of the series have been lost and official efforts have been made to recover those episodes by any means. I doubt the BBC would reject acquired episodes just because they leaked online first, so why should it be any different here? Whether it's online or not, it shouldn't impact the value it could have in official releases.

Problem is, nothing against Chris Sabat, since he seem to be decent guy, compared to some other important people at Funimation, but..it's still Funimation who would have last word on it, and..seeing how they downright lied god knows how many times with DBZ alone (This will be definitive release for sure, trust us!) i wouldn't trust them release DB/DBZ broadcast audio, sad, but true, if you wanna get best version of show, you should let fans do it.

[VegettoEX]

Posts either remain on-topic and drama/antagonism-free, or account strikes will be issued and the topic will be locked. No more free warnings.

[Robo4900]

Hello. I haven't logged into this forum for like a year and a half, but I have been regularly lurking on various threads and I wanted to jump back in to ask a quick question about all this.

It's been said on many occasions that the leaking of the broadcast audio means that it can't be included on home video releases now, despite Chris Sabat being given it beforehand and saying that he would try to do so. My question is simply this: why can't it be included on home video now that it's leaked?

It's not that it can't be, it's that the only person at Funimation who took the time and effort to talk to the fans, and get ahold of the audio, Chris Sabat, has lost all enthusiasm.

On top of this, Toei don't care, AB Groupe don't care, etc., so as it stands... It's not going to happen.

Or why did Sabat lose enthusiasm, if that wording makes more sense?

I think his view on it is "It's out there now, so it's not special." TBH, I don't think the endless drama over it helped, either.
To be frank though, I don't understand the attitude at play here either, but if Sabat's lost his enthusiasm, all is lost. There's no one left in any official standing who cares, so unless there's a major regime change here or there, it's not happening.

[sangofe]

Hello. I haven't logged into this forum for like a year and a half, but I have been regularly lurking on various threads and I wanted to jump back in to ask a quick question about all this.

It's been said on many occasions that the leaking of the broadcast audio means that it can't be included on home video releases now, despite Chris Sabat being given it beforehand and saying that he would try to do so. My question is simply this: why can't it be included on home video now that it's leaked?

It's not that it can't be, it's that the only person at Funimation who took the time and effort to talk to the fans, and get ahold of the audio, Chris Sabat, has lost all enthusiasm.

On top of this, Toei don't care, AB Groupe don't care, etc., so as it stands... It's not going to happen.

Or why did Sabat lose enthusiasm, if that wording makes more sense?

I think his view on it is "It's out there now, so it's not special." TBH, I don't think the endless drama over it helped, either.
To be frank though, I don't understand the attitude at play here either, but if Sabat's lost his enthusiasm, all is lost. There's no one left in any official standing who cares, so unless there's a major regime change here or there, it's not happening.

Wait a minute, when did you email AB and get the reply they don't care?