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Post by MasenkoHA » Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:31 pm

It’s still really weird that Funimation never recorded an English version of Head Cha La for consistency with Dragon Ball and GT having English versions of the Japanese openings

Or following that it’s weird Mark Menza’s Generic stock music opening is used for the dub w/Japanese music as it’s kind of false advertising.

That said at least they’re not using Dale Kelly’s opening

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MasenkoHA wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:31 pm It’s still really weird that Funimation never recorded an English version of Head Cha La for consistency with Dragon Ball and GT having English versions of the Japanese openings

Or following that it’s weird Mark Menza’s Generic stock music opening is used for the dub w/Japanese music as it’s kind of false advertising.

That said at least they’re not using Dale Kelly’s opening
I know that for one of the movies or specials they had Head Cha-La (in Japanese) as the opening with the dub but I don't remember which one. It would be nice if they even did that but, despite everything else in Dragon Ball not doing it, there's still some holdover with Z to make sure as few people suspect its Japanese roots as possible.

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Post by eledoremassis02 » Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:46 pm

MasenkoHA wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:31 pm It’s still really weird that Funimation never recorded an English version of Head Cha La for consistency with Dragon Ball and GT having English versions of the Japanese openings

Or following that it’s weird Mark Menza’s Generic stock music opening is used for the dub w/Japanese music as it’s kind of false advertising.

That said at least they’re not using Dale Kelly’s opening
I'm assuming they dont have a instrumental track to work with? I think the Dragon Box even used the vocalized version but even that wasnt poerted over to the level sets and beyond :wtf:

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Post by SuperSaiyaManZ94 » Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:54 pm

MasenkoHA wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:31 pm It’s still really weird that Funimation never recorded an English version of Head Cha La for consistency with Dragon Ball and GT having English versions of the Japanese openings

Or following that it’s weird Mark Menza’s Generic stock music opening is used for the dub w/Japanese music as it’s kind of false advertising.

That said at least they’re not using Dale Kelly’s opening
Wasn't that Menza guitar instrumental apparently taken from one of the movie's dub openings? At any rate the track is indeed really generic compared to even the old Kelly and Faulconer Production's versions and has no reason to be on the dub with Japanese score audio track in the first place. For some reason i can't even begin to wrap my head around it got stuck on there for the Orange Bricks back in 2007 and has been on every subsequent release aside from the Dragon Boxes ever since, although the closing songs are correct so it's literally only the two openings they got wrong.
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Post by MasenkoHA » Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:59 pm

eledoremassis02 wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:46 pm
MasenkoHA wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:31 pm It’s still really weird that Funimation never recorded an English version of Head Cha La for consistency with Dragon Ball and GT having English versions of the Japanese openings

Or following that it’s weird Mark Menza’s Generic stock music opening is used for the dub w/Japanese music as it’s kind of false advertising.

That said at least they’re not using Dale Kelly’s opening
I'm assuming they dont have a instrumental track to work with? I think the Dragon Box even used the vocalized version but even that wasnt poerted over to the level sets and beyond :wtf:

They recreated the instrumentals for Mystical Adventures. Can’t imagine it wasn’t do able


If nothing else untranslated Head Cha La for the dub with Japanese music audio should have been what they went with. That’s what happened with the Dragon Boxes and I think some of the movies?


And yes the Menza opening for the Orange Bricks and beyond comes from the First Strike redub of the first 3 Z movies.

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MasenkoHA wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:59 pm
eledoremassis02 wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:46 pm
MasenkoHA wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:31 pm It’s still really weird that Funimation never recorded an English version of Head Cha La for consistency with Dragon Ball and GT having English versions of the Japanese openings

Or following that it’s weird Mark Menza’s Generic stock music opening is used for the dub w/Japanese music as it’s kind of false advertising.

That said at least they’re not using Dale Kelly’s opening
I'm assuming they dont have a instrumental track to work with? I think the Dragon Box even used the vocalized version but even that wasnt poerted over to the level sets and beyond :wtf:

They recreated the instrumentals for Mystical Adventures. Can’t imagine it wasn’t do able


If nothing else untranslated Head Cha La for the dub with Japanese music audio should have been what they went with. That’s what happened with the Dragon Boxes and I think some of the movies?


And yes the Menza opening for the Orange Bricks and beyond comes from the First Strike redub of the first 3 Z movies.
I had figured that's where Menza's guitar instrumental opening had come from prior to the Orange Bricks, and indeed it really makes no sense why Head Cha-La and We Gotta Power aren't on the dub w/JPN music track when they really should have been from the start because both Zenkai Power and We Were Angels are in the proper places at the closing. My guess is that this was a mistake or something they made at some point back in 2007 on the OB's and it was just never corrected with the exception of the Dragon Boxes.
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Post by Robo4900 » Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:08 pm

MasenkoHA wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:59 pm
eledoremassis02 wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:46 pm
MasenkoHA wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:31 pm It’s still really weird that Funimation never recorded an English version of Head Cha La for consistency with Dragon Ball and GT having English versions of the Japanese openings

Or following that it’s weird Mark Menza’s Generic stock music opening is used for the dub w/Japanese music as it’s kind of false advertising.

That said at least they’re not using Dale Kelly’s opening
I'm assuming they dont have a instrumental track to work with? I think the Dragon Box even used the vocalized version but even that wasnt poerted over to the level sets and beyond :wtf:
They recreated the instrumentals for Mystical Adventures. Can’t imagine it wasn’t do able
It's worth noting that instrumental versions of Mystical Adventure, Romantic Ageru Yo, Cha-La, We Gotta Power, and We Were Angels are all out there, the problem is just Toei's provision of materials.

But, as you note, Funi recreated the instrumentals for Mystical Adventure and Romantic Ageru Yo anyway... And the weird thing is, the US Dragon Box actually used Japanese Cha-La and We Gotta Power as the OPs for the dub track (along with the relevant EDs), so... I don't know what's up with Funi's OPs/EDs.
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Post by SuperSaiyaManZ94 » Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:11 pm

Robo4900 wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:08 pm
MasenkoHA wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:59 pm
eledoremassis02 wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:46 pm
I'm assuming they dont have a instrumental track to work with? I think the Dragon Box even used the vocalized version but even that wasnt poerted over to the level sets and beyond :wtf:
They recreated the instrumentals for Mystical Adventures. Can’t imagine it wasn’t do able
It's worth noting that instrumental versions of Mystical Adventure, Romantic Ageru Yo, Cha-La, We Gotta Power, and We Were Angels are all out there, the problem is just Toei's provision of materials.

But, as you note, Funi recreated the instrumentals for Mystical Adventure and Romantic Ageru Yo anyway... And the weird thing is, the US Dragon Box actually used Japanese Cha-La and We Gotta Power as the OPs for the dub track (along with the relevant EDs), so... I don't know what's up with Funi's OPs/EDs.
I don't get it either, it just makes no sense at all for the openings to have the wrong music track on the non Dragon Box releases yet the closings are the proper ones.
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Post by eledoremassis02 » Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:44 pm

Was there ever a reason as to why they stopped with the Spanish dub after UUC? Id love to see the rest of that dub

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eledoremassis02 wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:44 pm Was there ever a reason as to why they stopped with the Spanish dub after UUC? Id love to see the rest of that dub
I don't know if there's been any particular reason given in terms of why the Mexican/Spanish dub stopped being included after the UUE's died.
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Post by MasenkoHA » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:15 pm

eledoremassis02 wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:44 pm Was there ever a reason as to why they stopped with the Spanish dub after UUC? Id love to see the rest of that dub
I thought it was a lack of space?

The Ultimate Uncut had

Japanese audio

English audio

Spanish audio


The remastered boxsets had

Japanese audio

English Audio with Japanese Background Music

English Audio with US Background Music

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Post by ArmenianPepsi » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:42 pm

MasenkoHA wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:31 pm It’s still really weird that Funimation never recorded an English version of Head Cha La for consistency with Dragon Ball and GT having English versions of the Japanese openings

Or following that it’s weird Mark Menza’s Generic stock music opening is used for the dub w/Japanese music as it’s kind of false advertising.

That said at least they’re not using Dale Kelly’s opening
That's something I always wondered about too. Maybe they haven't done it out of laziness, or something like it would just be extremely low on their priority list. It's funny though to think that for DBS we got an English version of the Dr Slump theme before Cha La :lol:
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Kendamu wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:48 pm Did the 30th anniversary release use that generic buttrock opening (that holds like zero nostalgic value for anybody) for the dub's OP or did they use Cha-La Head Cha-La?
That same old rock (for the english w/ japanese score).

What ever happened to this one? https://youtu.be/Wu2anfKAm6M
This sounds like somebody just brought a mic into a room full of dying smoke detectors
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Post by eledoremassis02 » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:54 pm

Thats all I'm gonna hear now :lol:

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eledoremassis02 wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:01 pm
What ever happened to this one? https://youtu.be/Wu2anfKAm6M
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ArmenianPepsi wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:42 pm
MasenkoHA wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:31 pm It’s still really weird that Funimation never recorded an English version of Head Cha La for consistency with Dragon Ball and GT having English versions of the Japanese openings

Or following that it’s weird Mark Menza’s Generic stock music opening is used for the dub w/Japanese music as it’s kind of false advertising.

That said at least they’re not using Dale Kelly’s opening
That's something I always wondered about too. Maybe they haven't done it out of laziness, or something like it would just be extremely low on their priority list. It's funny though to think that for DBS we got an English version of the Dr Slump theme before Cha La :lol:
eledoremassis02 wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:01 pm
Kendamu wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:48 pm Did the 30th anniversary release use that generic buttrock opening (that holds like zero nostalgic value for anybody) for the dub's OP or did they use Cha-La Head Cha-La?
That same old rock (for the english w/ japanese score).

What ever happened to this one? https://youtu.be/Wu2anfKAm6M
This sounds like somebody just brought a mic into a room full of dying smoke detectors
Here i thought the Faulconer Productions OP/ED that started to be used around the later Freeza episodes or Garlic Jr. after Rock the Dragon was replaced was the worst sounding replacement score noise, that track used for the opening on the Z specials i think topped it because it's mostly a load of screeching garbage.
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Post by Planetnamek » Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:21 pm

SuperSaiyaManZ94 wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:19 pm
ArmenianPepsi wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:42 pm
MasenkoHA wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:31 pm It’s still really weird that Funimation never recorded an English version of Head Cha La for consistency with Dragon Ball and GT having English versions of the Japanese openings

Or following that it’s weird Mark Menza’s Generic stock music opening is used for the dub w/Japanese music as it’s kind of false advertising.

That said at least they’re not using Dale Kelly’s opening
That's something I always wondered about too. Maybe they haven't done it out of laziness, or something like it would just be extremely low on their priority list. It's funny though to think that for DBS we got an English version of the Dr Slump theme before Cha La :lol:
eledoremassis02 wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:01 pm

That same old rock (for the english w/ japanese score).

What ever happened to this one? https://youtu.be/Wu2anfKAm6M
This sounds like somebody just brought a mic into a room full of dying smoke detectors
Here i thought the Faulconer Productions OP/ED that started to be used around the later Freeza episodes or Garlic Jr. after Rock the Dragon was replaced was the worst sounding replacement score noise, that track used for the opening on the Z specials i think topped it because it's mostly a load of screeching garbage.
I quite like that funky beat myself, though I can see why it wasn't used often. Mark Menza's intro was OK but it does seem misleading to include that even on the Japanese versions of this release.
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Post by MasenkoHA » Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:43 pm

Menza’s intro was just incredibly generic it also had no
place in the English dub with Japanese background music option.

Dale Kelly’s theme for the tv specials , in addition to being ear rape, is a painful reminder of how hard Funimatiom tried to make DBZ seem so edgy and hardcore. It’s basically a worse version of the Ultimate Uncut opening, which, while really try hard, is at least tolerable sounding for what it is.
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MasenkoHA wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:43 pm Menza’s intro was just incredibly generic it also had no
place in the English dub with Japanese background music option.

Dale Kelly’s theme for the tv specials , in edition to being ear rape, is a painful reminder of how hard Funimatiom tried to make DBZ seem so edgy and hardcore. It’s basically a worse version of the Ultimate Uncut opening, which, while really try hard, is at least tolerable sounding for what it is.
Yes that, the majority of the Team Faulconer score and Step into the Grand Tour on GT really reflect what FUNi's mindset at the time was with trying to make Z and GT appeal to the audience they were targeting. It's funny in hindsight how i thought this was awesome many moons ago when i was 7/8 as i'm sure a lot of others did then though of course at the time when you're a young kid you don't realize just how awful it actually is much like the dub therein.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5BvAWuPNIQg
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SuperSaiyaManZ94 wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:01 pm
MasenkoHA wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:43 pm Menza’s intro was just incredibly generic it also had no
place in the English dub with Japanese background music option.

Dale Kelly’s theme for the tv specials , in edition to being ear rape, is a painful reminder of how hard Funimatiom tried to make DBZ seem so edgy and hardcore. It’s basically a worse version of the Ultimate Uncut opening, which, while really try hard, is at least tolerable sounding for what it is.
Yes that, the majority of the Team Faulconer score and Step into the Grand Tour on GT really reflect what FUNi's mindset at the time was with trying to make Z and GT appeal to the audience they were targeting. It's funny in hindsight how i thought this was awesome many moons ago when i was 7/8 as i'm sure a lot of others did then though of course at the time when you're a young kid you don't realize just how awful it actually is much like the dub therein.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5BvAWuPNIQg

Well to be fair it kinda was "hardcore" compared to the animated shows that most western kids were exposed to back then. It was certainly more extreme then anything i'd ever seen up to that point even in its edited form on Toonami.


Its the opposite for me, I didn't pay much attention to the music when I was a kid as I was too busy focusing on the action, but as an adult I actually appreciate it a lot more now.
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Post by ArmenianPepsi » Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:36 am

Planetnamek wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:30 pm
SuperSaiyaManZ94 wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:01 pm
MasenkoHA wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:43 pm Menza’s intro was just incredibly generic it also had no
place in the English dub with Japanese background music option.

Dale Kelly’s theme for the tv specials , in edition to being ear rape, is a painful reminder of how hard Funimatiom tried to make DBZ seem so edgy and hardcore. It’s basically a worse version of the Ultimate Uncut opening, which, while really try hard, is at least tolerable sounding for what it is.
Yes that, the majority of the Team Faulconer score and Step into the Grand Tour on GT really reflect what FUNi's mindset at the time was with trying to make Z and GT appeal to the audience they were targeting. It's funny in hindsight how i thought this was awesome many moons ago when i was 7/8 as i'm sure a lot of others did then though of course at the time when you're a young kid you don't realize just how awful it actually is much like the dub therein.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5BvAWuPNIQg

Well to be fair it kinda was "hardcore" compared to the animated shows that most western kids were exposed to back then. It was certainly more extreme then anything i'd ever seen up to that point even in its edited form on Toonami.


Its the opposite for me, I didn't pay much attention to the music when I was a kid as I was too busy focusing on the action, but as an adult I actually appreciate it a lot more now.
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