"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[GodVegetto91]

Yeah, I believe that's the case too. It's just hardwired into them that they absolutely cannot interfere outside of the "training" loophole. As morally shady as Daishinkan often appears, I highly doubt he'd do something like that to his own children, even if he does give them kind of a pony job as servants to spoiled-rotten destroyer deities. He presumably went to the effort to spare them from erasure during the Tournament of Power, probably by subtly manipulating Zeno.

It leads to an interesting question of what being designed the "Angel race" with these specific rules in mind. I mean, yeah, Daishinkan is the father of all other Angels, but he too is an Angel and he had to have come from somewhere.

And yeah, it's ultimately a good thing these rules are in place. If an Angel can develop a real conscience and compassion for mortals, one can just as easily become a monstrous force for evil just like Zamasu.

Well my theory is that not even Zeno can erase any of the Angels since they have absolute and total immortality and invulnerability. The “only way” they can die is through breaking the Angel code. Hence why Zeno didn’t erase them during the ToP (because he can’t!)

Otherwise, if Zeno could just erase an out of order, hell bent on destruction Angel who went all nuts every single time, then the Angelic law wouldn’t be needed.. Since they already have a way out (Zeno’s erasure button).

Also, both the Angels and the Omni-King’s come from “the great beyond”. The true world above OUTSIDE the 12 universes and their respective other worlds and demon realms, so logic would assume they are both of equal status. It’s just that the Zen-chans have been tasked with “ruler” of the mortal world below. While the Angels have not, if that makes sense to you.

That’s what I believe could be the case and it would explain a lot of things.

So basically in this version, Zen-Oh can erase ANY being from the lower world (12 universes and their other worlds and demon realms, including their Kaioshins and Gods of Destruction). But can’t erase any creature from his own “world beyond”.

Future Zamasu may have been “immortal” but he still belonged to the mortal world. Hence why he could be taken out. The Angels aren’t. They come from “the great beyond”.

Unfortunately your theory has been disproven in the anime. Zeno can and has destroyed Grand Priest and an Angel before actually. He destroyed an entire timeline....in the Zamasu arc, that includes the GP and everyone else. There isn't anything he can't destory.

No evidence that these Angels were erased. You are the one making assumptions now. You shouldn’t be so sure of yourself. And besides I am not saying I am absolutely correct. Afterall, I’ve already stated that it is a theory.

[Matches Malone]

V-Jump's next issue releases on the 19th, which means we should get leaks on the 15th.

[GodVegetto91]

Or to make a very long story short:

The Angel laws are what’s keeping the “all-powerful” Angels in check.

Hence why Zeno isn’t needed for that role.

Hence why Zeno doesn’t need to erase them.

Hence why Zeno CAN’T erase them.

(Is my theory).

[SupremeKai25]

Also, its likely the GP is keeping Zeno in line(somewhat). The GP is probably the only thing keeping Zeno from flat out going 'fuck it' and erasing the multiverse because he's bored. Zeno is a god with the brain of a child, and like Hearts said, "No one should wield that type of power". Who knows what would happen if the GP or his guards weren't there, Zeno would be free to do EVERYTHING. Zeno is an evil child who will do whatever he wants for his amusement, if his shady baby-sitter has to keep him in line, that might be for the best. Especially since there are TWO Zeno's, two deranged psycho childish gods that the Grand Priest has to look after.

Honestly, I feel sorry for the Grand Priest. Even if he didn't approve of what Zeno said, what can he do? Zeno will just do whatever he wants unless he finds something his subjects say a good idea and thinks it'll entertain him. He's just trying to make sure Zeno is happy, or at least manageable so he doesn't erase everything.

While don't like admitting this, Zamasu was right about one thing. The god hierarchy sucks.

Right? I have been saying this for years, the God hierarchy of Super is actually very messed up and the protagonists are all hypocrites. They all shit on Zamasu for committing genocide, meanwhile Goku is all buddy buddy with a kid who destroyed SIX UNIVERSES (trillions upon trillions upon trillions of innocent lives...) because he was angry one day.

Honestly canon Super needs to adapt the Hearts storyline asap, because its about time someone questions Zeno on his behaviour. Very clearly Goku and co. have no problem with him, despite their rage at "seeing innocent lives erased".

I think the shittiness of the hierarchy is intentional and it's definitely gonna build to something eventually. Zeno is only considered inscrutable because of his power and innocent demeanour.

However, Zamasu's actions were still unequivocally wrong.

Say what you want about Zamasu, at least he had reasons for the crimes he committed. What's worse: Killing a man because you think they are evil and dangerous, or killing a man because you are bored one day and want some fun?

[Grand Marshal 1]

Spoiler:

So 7-Moro-3 will pretty much lose his abilities but retain his power? Okay, perhaps the training Vegeta and Goku underwent wasn't worthless after all.

Moro has like done 100 powerups in this arc lol

[Femme Fatale Kikaza]

My god this is so bad.

I changed my mind. I don't want Toei to fix this. Scrap it from existence and start with a new arc for Super 2.0.

Yup. Even if I didn't like Merus, this is just really bad....

[Gt91]

I'll tell my opinions when the chapter is actually out.
For now, i don't mind what i read.

[OLKv3]

Spoiler:

Bruh, Merus really went "Mr. Whis, I don't feel so good"

I still don't get why Whis reverting time in RoF was apparently okay, but Merus isn't allowed to help Goku and co.

Whis didn't physically fight. Merus only started getting deleted when he put hands on Moro.

[Matches Malone]

I'll tell my opinions when the chapter is actually out.
For now, i don't mind what i read.

My main fear was Merus saving the day, which isn't possible now, so I'll be fine with whatever ending we get (Goku kills Moro or Vegeta separates him).

[GodVegetto91]

Well, it looks like Goku will FINALLY be MASTERING the full power of Ultra Instinct FOR REAL in next months chapter!

(If this is true), then this is something HUGE! A truly “HISTORIC” moment! The first mortal ever to master a technique that not even ANY of the Gods of Destruction (some of them whom have lived for HUNDREDS of Millions of years like our very own Lord Beerus!) have ever been able to master!

Let us pay our tributes for it. Let us TOAST to it! And drink some stuff to celebrate it!

[Matches Malone]

Well, it looks like Goku will FINALLY be MASTERING the full power of Ultra Instinct FOR REAL in next months chapter!

Let us pay our tributes for it. Let us TOAST to it! And drink some stuff to celebrate it!

I'd order the food and drinks, but by the time they get here, Goku will have already reached (and mastered) a new form. I don't know why they felt the need to have him master not one, but both versions of UI so soon. MUI should've been saved for the next arc, or the one following that. Modern DB isn't going anywhere, they can take their time with things.

[GodVegetto91]

Well, it looks like Goku will FINALLY be MASTERING the full power of Ultra Instinct FOR REAL in next months chapter!

Let us pay our tributes for it. Let us TOAST to it! And drink some stuff to celebrate it!

I'd order the food and drinks, but by the time they get here, Goku will have already reached (and mastered) a new form. I don't know why they felt the need to have him master not one, but both versions of UI so soon. MUI should've been saved for the next arc, or the one following that. Modern DB isn't going anywhere, they can take their time with things.

I am NOT complaining! The stronger, the better! This should be common sense.

Completion > The Incomplete.

That’s a simple mathematical truth.

You always want your boy to get stronger. That’s shonen. This is the main character. Son Goku! One who always aspires to better himself. He has now finally done it for the first time ever in his life. He has.... Mastered himself! And become a Complete warrior! Whis’ training is complete now, and he’ll be extremely proud of his student for mastering all he had to teach him, especially UI. Not even Beerus could afterall.

[Hugo Boss]

Merus being deleted was foreshadowed, I don’t understand the surprise. But it’s not like it’s definitive. They have Super Dragon Balls.

[Gt91]

I'll tell my opinions when the chapter is actually out.
For now, i don't mind what i read.

My main fear was Merus saving the day, which isn't possible now, so I'll be fine with whatever ending we get (Goku kills Moro or Vegeta separates him).

I don't have read the chapter yet, but what if merus is not dead for real? Maybe he faked his death to help Goku unlocking Full UI or something like that. I don't know. We'll see.
And yes, they have super dragon balls as well.

MUI Goku should be enough to defeat Moro, but a team-up with vegeta would be fine for me.

[Dbzfan94]

My god this is so bad.

I changed my mind. I don't want Toei to fix this. Scrap it from existence and start with a new arc for Super 2.0.

If things were up to me, I'd scrap everything post BOG out of existence and continue from EOZ with a completely new direction.

You and me both. And even then, I’d just do one movie beyond End of Z and then call it quits.

[FortuneSSJ]

I'd order the food and drinks, but by the time they get here, Goku will have already reached (and mastered) a new form. I don't know why they felt the need to have him master not one, but both versions of UI so soon. MUI should've been saved for the next arc, or the one following that. Modern DB isn't going anywhere, they can take their time with things.

In before he goes super saiyan UI and gets a new hair color in the next chapter.

[Kinokima]

I don’t have anything to go on beyond gut feeling but after the events of this chapter and what it seems to be leading to I really do feel the manga will be ending after this arc

[Alruneia]

I don’t have anything to go on beyond gut feeling but after the events of this chapter and what it seems to be leading to I really do feel the manga will be ending after this arc

Someone on /a/ a few days ago posted a compilation of the table of contents from the manga volumes, all of which have accompanying drawings. Notably, Volume 5's drawing featured the Gods of Destruction of Universes 1, 2 and 3. Volume 6 had the Gods of Destruction of Universes 4, 5 and 6, Volume 7 had the GoDs of U7, U8 and U9, and Volume 8 had the GoDs of U10, U11 and U12. Volumes 9-12 followed the same pattern, using the angels of the universes instead of the GoDs. Starting on Volume 13, the Supreme Kais (Kaioshin if you want) of U1, U2 and U3 are featured, so it looks like the pattern is repeating once again.
We're currently in the middle of Volume 14, so if the pattern holds, which I think it will, we're guaranteed to reach Volume 16 at the very least. The Moro arc isn't going to last that long, there's no way Toyotaro could stretch it that far, so there's almost certainly more stories on the way. (Unless he spends all the remaining chapters on reconciling Super with EoZ, I guess.)

Edit: Here's the compilation image (plus predictions for Volumes 14, 15 and 16) the anon posted. I hope it shows up okay.

Spoiler:

[Matches Malone]

I am NOT complaining! The stronger, the better! This should be common sense.

I don't disagree, as we've always known Goku would master it, but why so soon ? Why not let Omen get its time to shine and save MUI for another arc ? It's SsjG all over again, it was barely used in BOG only to be thrown aside for Blue in the very next story. Imagine if after defeating Freeza on Namek, Goku somehow figured out how to master it and used the FPSsj form against #19 instead of Cell ? We knew Goku would master it, but Toriyama took his time and allowed it to come naturally instead of rushing things.

[Kinokima]

I don’t have anything to go on beyond gut feeling but after the events of this chapter and what it seems to be leading to I really do feel the manga will be ending after this arc

Someone on /a/ a few days ago posted a compilation of the table of contents from the manga volumes, all of which have accompanying drawings. Notably, Volume 5's drawing featured the Gods of Destruction of Universes 1, 2 and 3. Volume 6 had the Gods of Destruction of Universes 4, 5 and 6, Volume 7 had the GoDs of U7, U8 and U9, and Volume 8 had the GoDs of U10, U11 and U12. Volumes 9-12 followed the same pattern, using the angels of the universes instead of the GoDs. Starting on Volume 13, the Supreme Kais (Kaioshin if you want) of U1, U2 and U3 are featured, so it looks like the pattern is repeating once again.
We're currently in the middle of Volume 14, so if the pattern holds, which I think it will, we're guaranteed to reach Volume 16 at the very least. The Moro arc isn't going to last that long, there's no way Toyotaro could stretch it that far, so there's almost certainly more stories on the way. (Unless he spends all the remaining chapters on reconciling Super with EoZ, I guess.)

Edit: Here's the compilation image (plus predictions for Volumes 14, 15 and 16) the anon posted. I hope it shows up okay.

Spoiler:

I just don’t feel that means the manga will 100% continue. It might be nice to finish that but I don’t think they will keep the manga ongoing just for the art