There's always room for more strong guys in other universes

[BWri]

Maybe it's time for reboot...

Er, no. Just look at how muddled DC and Marvel have become overtime due to reboots. Even back when there was only 1 reboot, things were still a mess.

If anything, maybe release an official book or something that adds in certain retons that have happened over the years, like the Potara Fusion and what not.

DC and Marvel aren't the best examples. The idea with a reboot is always to shave off years if not decades of complex continuity and character growth and essentially start over so stories can be told afresh. Those 2 comic companies usually fail due to how vast their character roster and histories are and they essentially revert back to the status quo anyway due to fan demand or lack of interest in the new material and somehow usually end up including aspects of the reboot confusing the continuity even more. It doesn't help that it's usually handled by a roster of writers with distinct visions and stories they want to tell. Many times the writers even feel limited by the framework of a reboot, especially if its linked with a company-wide event but must continue due to the demands of the editorial team.

I share your feelings though. For me, the leadership and handling of DB is too all over the place at the moment. If there was a single passionate creator heading something like this for DB, I'd be all for it. It could really link the franchise together nicely and flesh out battle mechanics, backstories, relationships and motivations, and maybe even fold some of the movie continuity into canon.

[GodVegetto91]

This stupid craze of random mortals surpassing the Gods should really stop now. Zamasu was right. Mortals shouldn’t touch Gods unless they are Saiyan Gods like Goku or Vegeta or Super-high-potential mutant Saiyans like Broly. Jiren was just stupid, and so were Hit and Frieza. There’s no reason for them to even come close to SSJ God. Let alone SSJ Blue and beyond! It’s a sin, in Zamasu’s words. Jiren has no right at all to be as strong as he is. It is absolutely ridiculous and makes ZERO sense. He’s just a random grey afterall. A random alien, a mortal. So because his parents got killed and he decided to train his ass off is suddenly supposed to make him beyond God Level? Really???!

[Matches Malone]

Maybe it's time for reboot...

No need for a reboot, just throw out everything that took place after BOG and set the story after EOZ. The story can focus on the next gen of fighters with Goku and his friends taking a mentor role.

This stupid craze of random mortals surpassing the Gods should really stop now.

Because his parents got killed and he decided to train his ass off is suddenly supposed to make him beyond God Level? Really???!

That's the problem with following up a story where the hero becomes a "god" and fights another "god". Once you get to that point, it's time to call it a day. Beerus should've been Goku and Vegeta's last major opponent, and each story that followed BOG proves it.

I'm sure Bruce Wayne wishes it was that easy, as despite all his training, all it takes is a bullet to the head to put him 6ft under.

[SupremeKai25]

Zamasu was right indeed. It is objectively true that Gods should be stronger than mortals. I mean, they are called Gods for a reason...

[Magnificent Ponta]

Except for the fact that the Gods have been surpassed at every tier of the divine hierarchy in the original series, to the point that the highest official tier of God was already considered weak by the time the Buu arc started.

Super's only doing what Dragon Ball already made a habit of doing, only using a new tier of power for reference. I don't see how that's a problem.

[Matches Malone]

Except for the fact that the Gods have been surpassed at every tier of the divine hierarchy in the original series, to the point that the highest official tier of God was already considered weak by the time the Buu arc started.

Super's only doing what Dragon Ball already made a habit of doing, only using a new tier of power for reference. I don't see how that's a problem.

I think the difference between the likes of King Kai, Kami, and the Supreme Kais is that they were "gods" it title only, they never had anything on the heroes or villains. Beerus is completely different, as he's on a whole other level power wise. IMO, when you introduce someone that strong, moving forward becomes very difficult, at least logically.

[Koitsukai]

Yeah, DBZ, and GT for that matter, ended with the gods being nothing but a joke, useful as teachers at best. Being a god meant nothing in the original run.

If anything, DBS cleaned up the image of the divine introducing hakaishins, whose power has only been surpassed by a handful of people (Jiren, Broly, Gogeta, UI, Moro)

[GodVegetto91]

Except for the fact that the Gods have been surpassed at every tier of the divine hierarchy in the original series, to the point that the highest official tier of God was already considered weak by the time the Buu arc started.

Super's only doing what Dragon Ball already made a habit of doing, only using a new tier of power for reference. I don't see how that's a problem.

This is why there is a difference between destroyer Gods, and creator Gods and below.

By definition, a “destroyer” God is BOUND to be powerful. It’s meant to be so. It’s in their name! Their job is to destroy. And so it would make little to no sense that they should be anything less than supremely powerful. So the Kaioshins (and below) don’t have to be powerful at all. Likewise, the Angels are even stronger, since they have to be naturally as “martial arts teachers” to the GoDs. Above them even you have the Father of the Angels, and then finally you have the Omni-King. Supreme Ruler of the whole Multiverse, that has the power to “erase” anything with the click of an internal button. That’s power right there!

[GodVegetto91]

Yeah, DBZ, and GT for that matter, ended with the gods being nothing but a joke, useful as teachers at best. Being a god meant nothing in the original run.

If anything, DBS cleaned up the image of the divine introducing hakaishins, whose power has only been surpassed by a handful of people (Jiren, Broly, Gogeta, UI, Moro)

And now Vegeta too! With Spirit Control! You forgot him xD

[Magnificent Ponta]

I think the difference between the likes of King Kai, Kami, and the Supreme Kais is that they were "gods" it title only, they never had anything on the heroes or villains. Beerus is completely different, as he's on a whole other level power wise. IMO, when you introduce someone that strong, moving forward becomes very difficult, at least logically.

Really, the 'Gods in title only' perspective only makes sense when you judge from the standpoint that they ought to be omnipotent or something, which doesn't fit. From the perspective of the Dragon Ball cosmos, they're exactly what they should be - they perform a particular role in the broader picture - and until Toriyama subverts expectations and has the Kaioshin already well and truly surpassed in the Buu arc before they appear, all of the Gods are duly presented as legitimate milestones and measuring sticks to show that the villains of the piece mean business.

Indisputably, the Gods of Destruction (and apparently Beerus in particular) are on another level, but having a new bar to clear is just what Dragon Ball does. The only real difference is that it's an overarching longer-term goal, rather than something to be surpassed within a single arc. Moreover, the introduction of the Angels, the Grand Priest, and Zeno Sama (who are all far beyond even Beerus, in their own ways) means that there's plenty still to play with both before and beyond the 'Gods of Destruction'-level.

By definition, a “destroyer” God is BOUND to be powerful. It’s meant to be so. It’s in their name! Their job is to destroy. And so it would make little to no sense that they should be anything less than supremely powerful. So the Kaioshins (and below) don’t have to be powerful at all. Likewise, the Angels are even stronger, since they have to be naturally as “martial arts teachers” to the GoDs. Above them even you have the Father of the Angels, and then finally you have the Omni-King. Supreme Ruler of the whole Multiverse, that has the power to “erase” anything with the click of an internal button. That’s power right there!

Right; so what's the problem, then? That Jiren, for instance, is already beyond Belmod just means he sits in what is already a pretty wide margin of power; even if Goku skips over that straight into the Angelic Tier with True Ultra Instinct, there's still a long way to go before he stands anywhere near the top. I don't see how breaking the limits is a problem or a 'stupid craze' like you do. It's just the next hill to climb.

[SupremeKai25]

The Gods are very powerful, they just aren't as powerful as the plot hax super saiyans. Supreme Kai could have oneshot Frieza, if you knew back in the Saiyan or Frieza saga that someone out there could oneshot Frieza would you not be astonished?

The problem is the power-creep in this series and the fact that the writers don't give a shit about Supreme Kais. When Supreme Kai Shin was first introduced in the Buu saga, everyone thought he would be the next big bad, but he was actually just fodder to the real big bad. After that Shin was pretty much forgotten and became a mere battle narrator (this is obvious in the ToP arc). At least we had Zamasu...

[Matches Malone]

The Gods of Destruction are on another level, but having a new bar to clear is just what Dragon Ball does. Moreover, the introduction of the Angels, the Grand Priest, and Zeno Sama means that there's plenty still to play with both before and beyond the 'Gods of Destruction'-level.

I just think that's too much at this point. Characters can only get so strong and surpass so many beings before it becomes ridiculous. One of the reasons Toriyama ended the manga in the first place was this very reason, he didn't think Goku could get stronger in a logical way. I believe Beerus should've been used as an end point to Goku's adventures, rather than a new beginning. Goku not being able to surpass him ties back to what Roshi told him all those years ago, "there's always someone stronger". Goku being able to surpass all these destroyers and angles goes against that lesson Roshi taught him.

I also think Goku becoming the be all end all makes the dragon world smaller than it is. By having Goku's achievements stop at being able to barely keep up with Beerus, only to find out there are countless other strong beings out there, it shows just how small he really is, and that he's basically a drop in a massive sea.

I think it's worth mentioning that it also depends on what fans want from the franchise. If you're someone who's interested in countless new adventures, then what they're doing is great for you. For me on the other hand, I like stories to have finality to them, and that's what BOG gave me when it released. Everything after just seems unnecessary and tacked on.

[Skar]

I just think that's too much at this point. Characters can only get so strong and surpass so many beings before it becomes ridiculous. One of the reasons Toriyama ended the manga in the first place was this very reason, he didn't think Goku could get stronger in a logical way. I believe Beerus should've been used as an end point to Goku's adventures, rather than a new beginning. Goku not being able to surpass him ties back to what Roshi told him all those years ago, "there's always someone stronger". Goku being able to surpass all these destroyers and angles goes against that lesson Roshi taught him.

Beerus was a rare case of an antaoginist that wasn't surpassed in the storyline they were introduced. It took five arcs to presumably surpass him with MUI which is also the first form that wasn't mastered or able to reach at will in the following arc. I think UI might be the end of the line and it's unlikely Toriyama will have several more arcs for Goku to surpass the Angels, GP, and Zenos.

Nothing prevents them from introducing stronger antagonists but it becomes harder to come up with unique and memorable antagonists the longer the series continues. That's likely why Toriyama has rejected some of the suggestions he was given and we're only seeing the few ideas he was willing to use. Toriyama said he struggled to come up with ideas towards the end of the manga so I'm sure they're aware that it's better to have a decent final antagonist than continue until they run out of ideas so we probably don't have to worry .

[Tai Lung]

Questions like this are really hilarious when Broly came out of nowhere and went from under base Vegeta level, to under SSB Gogeta level in barely an hour.

I have already said it before the worst decision is to stay in Universe 7 ... when they could explore other universes or timeline