Do you still enjoy non-canon Dragon Ball content?

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Re: Do you still enjoy non-canon Dragon Ball content?

Post by DBPirate » Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:31 am

Draconic wrote: Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:19 am I think it's simple why people care about what's canon and what's not. If a concept is canon then it can be expanded upon in the future and it lends itself to speculation and discussion. If it's not, then discussing it as it pertains to the continuation of a series is pointless as no one cares. It has nothing to do with quality and this doesn't apply to Dragon Ball anyway, since previous non-canon stuff made it in the generally accepted continuation of the series, namely Broly... Heroes is introducing entirely new forms... everything is fair game.
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Re: Do you still enjoy non-canon Dragon Ball content?

Post by coola » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:06 am

I ve noticed with lots of other media, that canon is something that keeps changing, and personally, I'm not fan of new canon stuff (Goku being selfish, and having Superman origin, rehash of old ideas and even stuff from fanfics) and stick to original manga/anime, new Broly and Beerus/Whis might be only good thing in new canon.
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Re: Do you still enjoy non-canon Dragon Ball content?

Post by ZodaEX » Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:29 pm

coola wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:06 am I ve noticed with lots of other media, that canon is something that keeps changing, and personally, I'm not fan of new canon stuff (Goku being selfish, and having Superman origin, rehash of old ideas and even stuff from fanfics) and stick to original manga/anime, new Broly and Beerus/Whis might be only good thing in new canon.
Dragon Ball doesn't have a canon.

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Re: Do you still enjoy non-canon Dragon Ball content?

Post by Goten_jr » Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:06 pm

ZodaEX wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:29 pm
coola wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:06 am I ve noticed with lots of other media, that canon is something that keeps changing, and personally, I'm not fan of new canon stuff (Goku being selfish, and having Superman origin, rehash of old ideas and even stuff from fanfics) and stick to original manga/anime, new Broly and Beerus/Whis might be only good thing in new canon.
Dragon Ball doesn't have a canon.
The Broly Situation is the perfect example

It has a Main Story(DB Manga-DBS Anime/-DBS Broly)
And Side Story’s (DBGT&Movies)

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Re: Do you still enjoy non-canon Dragon Ball content?

Post by coola » Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:31 pm

Goten_jr wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:06 pm
ZodaEX wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:29 pm
coola wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:06 am I ve noticed with lots of other media, that canon is something that keeps changing, and personally, I'm not fan of new canon stuff (Goku being selfish, and having Superman origin, rehash of old ideas and even stuff from fanfics) and stick to original manga/anime, new Broly and Beerus/Whis might be only good thing in new canon.
Dragon Ball doesn't have a canon.
The Broly Situation is the perfect example

It has a Main Story(DB Manga-DBS Anime/-DBS Broly)
And Side Story’s (DBGT&Movies)
There is also Bardock, original Bardock from TV Special was same one that appeared in manga, since Toriyama liked movie so much. Retconned Bardock then appeared in short manga chapter and then DBS Broly, along with Gine.

I also don't like, how they completely changed how time travel works, in original manga/anime, when you go back in time and change things that supposed to happen, you create separate timeline, Super completely miss that part.
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Re: Do you still enjoy non-canon Dragon Ball content?

Post by WittyUsername » Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:25 pm

coola wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:31 pm
Goten_jr wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:06 pm
ZodaEX wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:29 pm

Dragon Ball doesn't have a canon.
The Broly Situation is the perfect example

It has a Main Story(DB Manga-DBS Anime/-DBS Broly)
And Side Story’s (DBGT&Movies)
There is also Bardock, original Bardock from TV Special was same one that appeared in manga, since Toriyama liked movie so much. Retconned Bardock then appeared in short manga chapter and then DBS Broly, along with Gine.

I also don't like, how they completely changed how time travel works, in original manga/anime, when you go back in time and change things that supposed to happen, you create separate timeline, Super completely miss that part.
Whis’ method of time travel does seem to follow different rules, but Super as a whole hasn’t forgotten about the alternate timeline rule.

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Re: Do you still enjoy non-canon Dragon Ball content?

Post by Grimlock » Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:10 pm

Goten_jr wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:06 pm The Broly Situation is the perfect example

It has a Main Story(DB Manga-DBS Anime/-DBS Broly)
And Side Story’s (DBGT&Movies)
Indeed it is, a perfect example of two different, yet similar characters that live in different dimensions. You're talking about continuity, which is not a synonym for canonicity.

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Re: Do you still enjoy non-canon Dragon Ball content?

Post by Goten_jr » Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:58 pm

Grimlock wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:10 pm
Goten_jr wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:06 pm The Broly Situation is the perfect example

It has a Main Story(DB Manga-DBS Anime/-DBS Broly)
And Side Story’s (DBGT&Movies)
Indeed it is, a perfect example of two different, yet similar characters that live in different dimensions. You're talking about continuity, which is not a synonym for canonicity.
Yes but there is a Main Continuity/“Dimension” (Minus-DB Manga-DBS Anime-DBS Broly)And this is what matters

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Re: Do you still enjoy non-canon Dragon Ball content?

Post by Grimlock » Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:17 pm

Matters to whom? Certainly not to me. And that continuity you said isn't even the only one within the "main one". Others would prefer the Dragon Ball Super manga instead, for example.

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Re: Do you still enjoy non-canon Dragon Ball content?

Post by ABED » Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:42 pm

Grimlock wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:10 pm
Goten_jr wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:06 pm The Broly Situation is the perfect example

It has a Main Story(DB Manga-DBS Anime/-DBS Broly)
And Side Story’s (DBGT&Movies)
Indeed it is, a perfect example of two different, yet similar characters that live in different dimensions. You're talking about continuity, which is not a synonym for canonicity.
To your mind, what is the difference?
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Re: Do you still enjoy non-canon Dragon Ball content?

Post by Grimlock » Fri Aug 28, 2020 10:49 pm

"My mind"? No. The dictionary and the proper usage of these words speak for themselves.

Continuity is this imaginary line where events take place. Goten_jr already posted an example of it, the order of the events constitutes a continuity.

Canonicity relates to an "outside event" being acknowledged (or not) into a continuity.

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Re: Do you still enjoy non-canon Dragon Ball content?

Post by Shaddy » Fri Aug 28, 2020 11:49 pm

But in Dragon Ball, where you claim "everything is canon", then the idea of canon is literally meaningless. Just because you can technically make an in-universe justification for something being a part of the universe doesn't mean it makes a meaningful contribution to the story or characters. What happens to Goku in one timeline doesn't happen in another, and if those timelines never interact, then it doesn't actually matter if that timeline is considered "canon" or not.

All people are actually able to discuss is continuity, so you splitting hairs on whether the timeline where Goku shills for KFC can physically exist within the Dragon Ball universe is a worthless distraction when most "canon" conversations are about, for example, whether the End of Z is still a forseeable outcome to the universe Super takes place in.

It's the fandom equivalent of starting "is a hotdog a sandwich" discourse when people are arguing Togo's versus Subway.

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Re: Do you still enjoy non-canon Dragon Ball content?

Post by Son Gara » Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:32 pm

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