Does anyone else feel that much of the DB fandom enforces low standards?

[Skar]

Personally, I would like to see more fans arguing for the entering of Dragon Ball into the public domain so as to reduce the flow of profit to a small set of already grossly powerful corporations.

Wouldn't that mean every studio out there could try to cash in on Dragon Ball? Fans are already free to post their projects as a hobby but I rather the copyrights remain with Toei, Shuiesha, etc since it at least has the possibility of ending.

Mostly on social media, many alt-right dipshits love spreading the myth that Last Jedi was a "failure" at the box-office when it objectively wasn't, that's not "spreading information" at all, that is actually spreading MISinformation:https://www.vulture.com/2017/12/why-sta ... ilure.html

Every franchise needs a break, there's no sinister conspiracy to Disney doing that, so stop acting like there is.

You seem to love jumping to conclusions. It was said RoS underperformed as in it earned less than early projections not a complete failure. This has nothing to do with a sinister conspiracy. It's just another example of a studio milking a franchise and deciding to milk it less often because it was no longer performing as well as they hoped. Disney was going to have more Anthology films until Solo failed to breakeven. After RoS performed worse than expected, they came out and said they wanted to take a break. Why would they continue with so many MCU films yet reverse their decision for a yearly SW release?

I don't see how me pointing out the truth is Godwin's Law.

It was a joke because you starting ranting about him being an alt-right bigot out of nowhere. He said he didn't watch SW yet and only using it as an example of fans bringing down the original work in order to defend a sequel.

[Planetnamek]

Personally, I would like to see more fans arguing for the entering of Dragon Ball into the public domain so as to reduce the flow of profit to a small set of already grossly powerful corporations.

Wouldn't that mean every studio out there could try to cash in on Dragon Ball? Fans are already free to post their projects as a hobby but I rather the copyrights remain with Toei, Shuiesha, etc since it at least has the possibility of ending.

Mostly on social media, many alt-right dipshits love spreading the myth that Last Jedi was a "failure" at the box-office when it objectively wasn't, that's not "spreading information" at all, that is actually spreading MISinformation:https://www.vulture.com/2017/12/why-sta ... ilure.html

Every franchise needs a break, there's no sinister conspiracy to Disney doing that, so stop acting like there is.

You seem to love jumping to conclusions. It was said RoS underperformed as in it earned less than early projections not a complete failure. This has nothing to do with a sinister conspiracy. It's just another example of a studio milking a franchise and deciding to milk it less often because it was no longer performing as well as they hoped. Disney was going to have more Anthology films until Solo failed to breakeven. After RoS performed worse than expected, they came out and said they wanted to take a break. Why would they continue with so many MCU films yet reverse their decision for a yearly SW release?

I don't see how me pointing out the truth is Godwin's Law.

It was a joke because you starting ranting about him being an alt-right bigot out of nowhere. He said he didn't watch SW yet and only using it as an example of fans bringing down the original work in order to defend a sequel.

No it is you who is "jumping to conclusions" here dear boy, ROS still made billions of dollars so it's hard to imagine Disney being too broken up about it, especially when the VAST majority of their revenue comes from their parks and not from their movies(their movies only make up like 16% of their yearly revenue)

Solo actually didn't do that badly, so it was far from a flop. MCU films are interconnected so they kind of have to keep going, but Star Wars does not really have to.

No it wasn't "out of nowhere", because i've seen plenty of alt-right trolls use those exact arguments online and i'm simply calling things as I see them.

[Skar]

No it is you who is "jumping to conclusions" here dear boy, ROS still made billions of dollars so it's hard to imagine Disney being too broken up about it, especially when the VAST majority of their revenue comes from their parks and not from their movies(their movies only make up like 16% of their yearly revenue)

Star Wars merchandise revenue has also been declining every year since 2016 and the new SW theme park at Disneyland also didn't do as well as expected. Of course, Disney wouldn't be too broken up about it because SW is only one of many franchises they own. When a long running franchise begins to decline, it usually never recovers. It makes sense why they would take a break because they likely knew which direction it would go if it continued yearly.

Solo actually didn't do that badly, so it was far from a flop. MCU films are interconnected so they kind of have to keep going, but Star Wars does not really have to.

Flop usually means a film that didn't make a profit. Solo was the first SW film to lose money and it was estimated to have lost over $70 million. Did you mean it didn't lose as much money as other flops?

[Planetnamek]

No it is you who is "jumping to conclusions" here dear boy, ROS still made billions of dollars so it's hard to imagine Disney being too broken up about it, especially when the VAST majority of their revenue comes from their parks and not from their movies(their movies only make up like 16% of their yearly revenue)

Star Wars merchandise revenue has also been declining every year since 2016 and the new SW theme park at Disneyland also didn't do as well as expected. Of course, Disney wouldn't be too broken up about it because SW is only one of many franchises they own. When a long running franchise begins to decline, it usually never recovers. It makes sense why they would take a break because they likely knew which direction it would go if it continued yearly.

Solo actually didn't do that badly, so it was far from a flop. MCU films are interconnected so they kind of have to keep going, but Star Wars does not really have to.

Flop usually means a film that didn't make a profit. Solo was the first SW film to lose money and it was estimated to have lost over $70 million. Did you mean it didn't lose as much money as other flops?

Not really true for franchises, the MCU had several films that didn't make as much as money as the previous ones, didn't stop future films from breaking records though.

[JulieYBM]

Personally, I would like to see more fans arguing for the entering of Dragon Ball into the public domain so as to reduce the flow of profit to a small set of already grossly powerful corporations.

Wouldn't that mean every studio out there could try to cash in on Dragon Ball? Fans are already free to post their projects as a hobby but I rather the copyrights remain with Toei, Shuiesha, etc since it at least has the possibility of ending.

Mostly on social media, many alt-right dipshits love spreading the myth that Last Jedi was a "failure" at the box-office when it objectively wasn't, that's not "spreading information" at all, that is actually spreading MISinformation:https://www.vulture.com/2017/12/why-sta ... ilure.html

Every franchise needs a break, there's no sinister conspiracy to Disney doing that, so stop acting like there is.

You seem to love jumping to conclusions. It was said RoS underperformed as in it earned less than early projections not a complete failure. This has nothing to do with a sinister conspiracy. It's just another example of a studio milking a franchise and deciding to milk it less often because it was no longer performing as well as they hoped. Disney was going to have more Anthology films until Solo failed to breakeven. After RoS performed worse than expected, they came out and said they wanted to take a break. Why would they continue with so many MCU films yet reverse their decision for a yearly SW release?

I don't see how me pointing out the truth is Godwin's Law.

It was a joke because you starting ranting about him being an alt-right bigot out of nowhere. He said he didn't watch SW yet and only using it as an example of fans bringing down the original work in order to defend a sequel.

It would also mean that fans could monetize their projects and make a living off of those projects, thus splitting attention from large companies.

[ABED]

That's a truly awful idea. How about they do the hard work and write their own story instead of leaching off a creator?

[Matches Malone]

Under this logic every MCU movie that released between Avengers & Avengers 2 and every other MCU relased between Avengers 2 & Avengers 3 underperformed because they made less movie that those said Avengers movies.

Why would you compare the avengers to the solo movies ? I'm not comparing the main star wars movies to the anthology ones.

Each movie in the Iron man, Captain America, and Thor trilogies made more than the last. Guardians 2 and Spider-man FFH each made more than their first movie. Although Age of Ultron made around 100 million less than Avengers, Infinity war more than made up for it with 2 billion, while End Game surpassed even that with 2.8 billion.

Dear lord, NO.

I don't mean any fan any time. The right holders can allow fans from Tokyo for example who have degrees in Literature to submit their drafts, and the winner gets their full story published in Jump or wherever.

[JulieYBM]

That's a truly awful idea. How about they do the hard work and write their own story instead of leaching off a creator?

They already are, they should be able to profit off of their derivative works. It's not like all of Dragon Ball is made by Toriyama as it is, either.

No sanctity is being harmed here.

[ABED]

That's a truly awful idea. How about they do the hard work and write their own story instead of leaching off a creator?

They already are, they should be able to profit off of their derivative works. It's not like all of Dragon Ball is made by Toriyama as it is, either.

No sanctity is being harmed here.

No they shouldn't. It's not their story to do with what they wish. This isn't about the sanctity of artistic vision, it's about right of ownership.

They aren't doing the hard work. They aren't coming up with the stories and characters and taking the risk on their own. Why should they be able to profit off of derivative works?

[Skar]

Not really true for franchises, the MCU had several films that didn't make as much as money as the previous ones, didn't stop future films from breaking records though.

MCU is a little different because it was an extended universe and there were many origin films but every direct sequel was performing better than the last for the individual heroes. If you look at most other franchises, they almost always reach a peak and begin decline the longer they continue. Some believe that will happen with the MCU at some point once the original Avengers retire depending on how popular the newer characters are.

SW already lasted longer than most revivals or reboots but it suffers the same problem of trying to continue a series that has already concluded. Usually there aren't any pressing questions left that require a new story decades later. Nostalgia only goes so far which is why I think most revivals are only a single movie or mini-series. This is supposedly the end of the Skywalker saga so they're going to need to blow fans away for the next trilogy to perform better without the original cast and connection to the original story.

It would also mean that fans could monetize their projects and make a living off of those projects, thus splitting attention from large companies.

If you look at other public domain characters like Robin Hood or Sherlock Holmes, it's mostly major studios profiting from them. Fans don't have the budget so it's still most likely going to be a hobby for them like fanfiction currently is.

[ABED]

Not really true for franchises, the MCU had several films that didn't make as much as money as the previous ones, didn't stop future films from breaking records though.

MCU is a little different because it was an extended universe and there were many origin films but every direct sequel was performing better than the last for the individual heroes. If you look at most other franchises, they almost always reach a peak and begin decline the longer they continue. Some believe that will happen with the MCU at some point once the original Avengers retire depending on how popular the newer characters are.

SW already lasted longer than most revivals or reboots but it suffers the same problem of trying to continue a series that has already concluded. Usually there aren't any pressing questions left that require a new story decades later. Nostalgia only goes so far which is why I think most revivals are only a single movie or mini-series. This is supposedly the end of the Skywalker saga so they're going to need to blow fans away for the next trilogy to perform better without the original cast and connection to the original story.

It would also mean that fans could monetize their projects and make a living off of those projects, thus splitting attention from large companies.

If you look at other public domain characters like Robin Hood or Sherlock Holmes, it's mostly major studios profiting from them. Fans don't have the budget so it's still most likely going to be a hobby for them like fanfiction currently is.

This, all of this.

[WittyUsername]

Technically, all works of fiction are derivative, including Dragon Ball itself. Still, I certainly don’t see how there’d be much of a benefit to having the franchise be public domain. As Skar pointed out, that would basically just mean that other big corporations besides Toei and Bandai would get to profit off the brand.

[goku the krump dancer]

Most Content creators who use Patreon are technically kinda making money off official material already (Dragon Ball or Otherwise).

For example, GafferTape/MistareFusion has a Patreon deal where subscribers to it can get early access to his Dragon Ball reviews.

[ABED]

Reviews fall under fair use I believe so that is not the same thing

[JulieYBM]

Technically, all works of fiction are derivative, including Dragon Ball itself. Still, I certainly don’t see how there’d be much of a benefit to having the franchise be public domain. As Skar pointed out, that would basically just mean that other big corporations besides Toei and Bandai would get to profit off the brand.

They already do profit off of DB, though, they simply do so while funneling a portion of the profits back to Shueisha and then Shueisha back to Toriyama. Consumer money is going into the hands of people who won't spend it back into the economy like a poor creator would. With a public domain that is more open consumer attention will be split away from the usual suspects (Shueisha, Toei and Bandai) and the profits will go to independent creators or smaller companies. It's a better system not just for labor and but for consumers, too.

[MasenkoHA]

. With a public domain that is more open consumer attention will be split away from the usual suspects (Shueisha, Toei and Bandai) and the profits will go to independent creators or smaller companies.

They really wouldn’t though? It’s already been explained how big corporations profit more off public domain than independent creators. For pete sake why do you think Disney’s go to source material is works in the public domain?

[The Bastard.]

Technically, all works of fiction are derivative, including Dragon Ball itself. Still, I certainly don’t see how there’d be much of a benefit to having the franchise be public domain. As Skar pointed out, that would basically just mean that other big corporations besides Toei and Bandai would get to profit off the brand.

They already do profit off of DB, though, they simply do so while funneling a portion of the profits back to Shueisha and then Shueisha back to Toriyama. Consumer money is going into the hands of people who won't spend it back into the economy like a poor creator would. With a public domain that is more open consumer attention will be split away from the usual suspects (Shueisha, Toei and Bandai) and the profits will go to independent creators or smaller companies. It's a better system not just for labor and but for consumers, too.

There's simply no proof of that other than an utopic wish.

Open source stuff like this gets beat to the ground because everyone does their own take on it, most of the time being a poor/shitty take on it, the public gets saturated and people move on from that franchise/IP for a decade or two until it comes back and the cycle repeats itself.

Sherlock Holmes and Robin Hood are proof of it. Copyright laws are garbage, but to think that freeing everything for everyone to do whatever they want won't change the system. People that want already do DB fan work without issues, only big companies that can throw truckloads of money on marketing would profit from this

[Matches Malone]

SW already lasted longer than most revivals or reboots but it suffers the same problem of trying to continue a series that has already concluded. Usually there aren't any pressing questions left that require a new story decades later. Nostalgia only goes so far which is why I think most revivals are only a single movie or mini-series.

I completely agree. Batman the animated series is currently getting a comic continuation by its original writers, and despite everyone being excited when it was announced, the general opinion now is that it feels off. I would've rather seen these great writers start something completely new instead of going back to what ended decades ago. Based on the reception of the star wars prequels and 3 out of the 5 Disney movies, it seems like leaving star wars as a trilogy was also the better option. Fans of the MCU are currently questioning how successful Marvel will be at continuing past Endgame, as it and Infinity war were perfect conclusions to that era of movies. Not only are they going to continue, they're also throwing in Disney+ shows into the mix on top of that. God of War ascension and Arkham Origins are other examples of content that just didn't need to exist in their respective franchise. They weren't bad or anything, but they felt very tacked on.

This brings us to DB. I personally think Toriyama and Toyotaro would've been better off working on something completely new instead. They both clearly have passion for art and storytelling, but I can't help but think DB is holding them back creatively. Don't get me wrong, I think there's room for new stories here and there, but something on-going, maybe even indefinitely ? Both Super and GT have shown that DB isn't meant to be this forever going story, as the characters had their arcs and they were completed within the pages of the manga. BOG managed to squeeze out a bit more creativity from the franchise, but apart from that, I haven't seen anything creatively worth keeping it going for as long as they have.

Obviously things are different from a financial point of view, as all of the above make mountains of $$$. I can't help but wish more people would be like Chris Nolan, who puts his artistic integrity above all else, and by doing so he still manages to make money off his movies.

[ABED]

Nolan also encourages people to go to theaters during a pandemic, sooooo....

[Matches Malone]

Nolan also encourages people to go to theaters during a pandemic, sooooo....

I personally try to avoid public places as much as possible, so I won't be going any time soon, but I don't think there's an issue with theaters only allowing 25% of the normal capacity. With such a small number of people, it can't be any more riskier than going to a supermarket.