"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Koitsukai]

The coloured version is out, Merus has purple skin. It's certainly odd, I was expecting him to be light blue-ish like his brothers and father.

[Xeogran]

The coloured version is out, Merus has purple skin. It's certainly odd, I was expecting him to be light blue-ish like his brothers and father.

Maybe angels-in-training have a different skin color to show they're just that, and it changes to blue when they're complete..

[GodVegetto91]

The coloured version is out, Merus has purple skin. It's certainly odd, I was expecting him to be light blue-ish like his brothers and father.

Maybe angels-in-training have a different skin color to show they're just that, and it changes to blue when they're complete..

That is exactly my theory aswell!

[JewyB]

The coloured version is out, Merus has purple skin. It's certainly odd, I was expecting him to be light blue-ish like his brothers and father.

Is there a picture or a link? Not sure if Viz releases the coloured(go team "there is a u in colour!") versions like the regular chapters.

The coloured version is out, Merus has purple skin. It's certainly odd, I was expecting him to be light blue-ish like his brothers and father.

Maybe angels-in-training have a different skin color to show they're just that, and it changes to blue when they're complete..

It could also be a ki thing, we have seen that ki can affect skin tone and if angels are constantly in UI, it could cause a "whitening" effect over their entire body. Just spitballing though.

[Koitsukai]

The coloured version is out, Merus has purple skin. It's certainly odd, I was expecting him to be light blue-ish like his brothers and father.

Maybe angels-in-training have a different skin color to show they're just that, and it changes to blue when they're complete..

Nice!

The coloured version is out, Merus has purple skin. It's certainly odd, I was expecting him to be light blue-ish like his brothers and father.

Is there a picture or a link? Not sure if Viz releases the coloured(go team "there is a u in colour!") versions like the regular chapters.

Yeah

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

There's more here: https://twitter.com/DbsHype1

The coloured version is out, Merus has purple skin. It's certainly odd, I was expecting him to be light blue-ish like his brothers and father.

Maybe angels-in-training have a different skin color to show they're just that, and it changes to blue when they're complete..

It could also be a ki thing, we have seen that ki can affect skin tone and if angels are constantly in UI, it could cause a "whitening" effect over their entire body. Just spitballing though.

Nice one too!

[JewyB]

The coloured version is out, Merus has purple skin. It's certainly odd, I was expecting him to be light blue-ish like his brothers and father.

Is there a picture or a link? Not sure if Viz releases the coloured(go team "there is a u in colour!") versions like the regular chapters.

Yeah

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

There's more here: https://twitter.com/DbsHype1

Thanks for this! Moro looks damn sexy and it simultaneously excites me to see him animated but disappoints me with how he turns out...

I also forgot i had my red filter on and was sitting here like "Merus is clearly brown is this guy colour blind?" haha! I do think the blue hair does hold up with the darker skin though, i think its a good indication that angels either get lighter later on, or they are more varied than we were lead to believe.

EDIT: Does Toyo do the colours or is it someone else at Shueisha? I assume with him working on the manga he might not have time, but he might do it whilst Toriyama "writes the script".

[Magnificent Ponta]

Merus has already been depicted with purple skin and blue hair on the Volume covers in any case, so I guess this isn't a surprise.

It's possible that this is a form of camouflage - Moro mentioned in Chapter 63 that Merus had been projecting an energy signature at some point earlier (though no longer), and hypothesised that this was a kind of camouflage to hide his divinity - he could have a visual form of that to go with it.

[Cipher]

Re: Merus: His coloration is consistent with how he's been presented in Toyotarо̄'s own color illustrations. I certainly wouldn't fault the colorists for giving him the blue-skin/white-hair combination all other angels have when he reveals his identity, though, even if no dialogue references anything like that happening. It'd be a fair, logical choice for the series in color.

If there are just angels with different hair and skin colors, that's fine too, of course.

EDIT: Does Toyo do the colours or is it someone else at Shueisha? I assume with him working on the manga he might not have time, but he might do it whilst Toriyama "writes the script".

The colors are done by anonymous (unfortunately; they really should be credited) Shueisha and/or contracted colorists. There's an entire, wide range of digital colored editions of Jump series. It's not even clear that the original authors/artists get any say in them.

That said, while there are some head-scratching choices here and there in both Super and other digital colored Jump series, they tend to be pretty high quality--they're carefully done and tend to be stylized in a way that replicates the author's own colored work as much as possible, up to and including mimicking different coloring materials.

[JewyB]

The colors are done by anonymous (unfortunately; they really should be credited) Shueisha and/or contracted colorists. There's an entire, wide range of digital colored editions of Jump series. It's not even clear that the original authors/artists get any say in them.

That said, while there are some head-scratching choices here and there in both Super and other digital colored Jump series, they tend to be pretty high quality--they're carefully done and tend to be stylized in a way that replicates the author's own colored work as much as possible, up to and including mimicking different coloring materials.

Part of the reason i asked is that the manga colours have their own certain continuity and seem to be of a higher quality than most other full colour releases, not sure if that was due to the prestige of the series itself or because Toyo himselfwas doing it and taking care to get things right.

I agree that the colourists should be credited, but i'm pretty sure assistants still aren't credited to this day in manga also? So i'm not majorly surprised by the colourists receiving similar treatment.

[Cipher]

Part of the reason i asked is that the manga colours have their own certain continuity and seem to be of a higher quality than most other full colour releases, not sure if that was due to the prestige of the series itself or because Toyo himselfwas doing it and taking care to get things right.

I agree that the colourists should be credited, but i'm pretty sure assistants still aren't credited to this day in manga also? So i'm not majorly surprised by the colourists receiving similar treatment.

That's true (re: assistants). It's not surprising, in that light, but my stance is that since the creative work both of those roles do is important, both deserve crediting. Oh well.

But yeah, Shueisha's digital colored lines just tend to be really well done across the board.

[JewyB]

That's true (re: assistants). It's not surprising, in that light, but my stance is that since the creative work both of those roles do is important, both deserve crediting. Oh well.

But yeah, Shueisha's digital colored lines just tend to be really well done across the board.

Part of the influence of society at large, people will praise the directors or actors for a movie, often overlooking writers, editors etc, but at least they do receive a note in the credits. It is a shame because there are so many talented people who receive no credit for their work unless they become bigger later. I remember finding out the writer/artist for Beelzebub was an assistant on Psyren and my mind was a little blown. Maybe with it being so ingrained its just considered "your dues" to do uncredited work until you make something publishable yourself?

Not sure, seems a bit backwards for a country who take severe honour in their work to not credit those who work for them.

But this is off topi in its own way and i'm rambling so in other news: Who thinks we might get to see old goat Moro again before he dies? Super unlikely but it would be nice.

[Alruneia]

Who thinks we might get to see old goat Moro again before he dies? Super unlikely but it would be nice.

I don't know about getting the old old Moro back, but we could see 73 get removed from Moro so that he at least gets his goat face back. Assuming that UI doesn't finish the job, anyway. If Toyo plays this straight, which I seriously doubt considering the end of chapter 64, then the arc is pretty much over and Moro won't go through any further changes. I think there's a few more twists before the end, though, so something could happen.

[JewyB]

Who thinks we might get to see old goat Moro again before he dies? Super unlikely but it would be nice.

I don't know about getting the old old Moro back, but we could see 73 get removed from Moro so that he at least gets his goat face back. Assuming that UI doesn't finish the job, anyway. If Toyo plays this straight, which I seriously doubt considering the end of chapter 64, then the arc is pretty much over and Moro won't go through any further changes. I think there's a few more twists before the end, though, so something could happen.

Definitely seeing this being the end of the arc, it is more optimism we will get to see the guy weaken and gain back his originality before he does eventually die/get released/whatever ending happens.

I think pretty much everyone is in agreement that the arc needs to end now, its not the length thats the issue but that we've been stuck in a loop of Moro almost being beaten before gettin ga new form/powerup every chapter and it just screams that there's actually nowhere of interest for the character to go anymore in this arc.

I'm hoping the next arc outperforms this one, because the Moro arc had a solid start then it just kinda, meandered about a bit until we got to UI since that was the actual goal of the arc, not telling Moro's story.

[The Undying]

That dull/muted brownish hair color they chose for FP Broly (the same one used for Kale) is... not good. The movie's green is more distinct and appealing, but even if they didn't want it to be as distinct, the standard yellow would have been a better choice. It also makes Kefla's green hair look even more jarring in hindsight.

I'm very "meh" on these colored manga volumes as a whole. Some of it certainly looks good, but I don't ever find them preferable to the original black and white. At times, those finer details of Toyotaro's drawings feel lost in the process.

[Xeogran]

What kind of excuses do you think Beerus and Whis will try to come up to cover themselves for Merus death? I honestly think Beerus' reputation is screwed now because Whis will use him as his shield in the negotiations with Grand Priest.

I have a hunch that whatever happens there will kickstart the next arc. Perhaps U7 getting severe punishment.

[Matches Malone]

I have a hunch that whatever happens there will kickstart the next arc. Perhaps U7 getting severe punishment.

I think Merus will be wished back as a mortal, and that the Gran Priest will agree it's for the best due to Merus no longer being neutral.

[JewyB]

I'm very "meh" on these colored manga volumes as a whole. Some of it certainly looks good, but I don't ever find them preferable to the original black and white. At times, those finer details of Toyotaro's drawings feel lost in the process.

I agree 100%, i always read manga in their black and white+/- screentoens as opposed to full colour, it just feels strange to me to read it in colour, and it feels kind of... Damnit i can't think of the word.... Its a nice little extra to see what colours are intended, a reference, but not the intended initial vision.

I do want the FC DB sets though, but thats because they're bigger and i own them in B+W(albeit heavily censored thanks viz) so having both gives me the best of both worlds and satisfies my DB collector itch. Super i'm not so mch interested in owning unless it eventually gets a release in the same format.

What kind of excuses do you think Beerus and Whis will try to come up to cover themselves for Merus death? I honestly think Beerus' reputation is screwed now because Whis will use him as his shield in the negotiations with Grand Priest.

I think if they were written correctly there would be no consequences, Angels are objective to a fault and will straight up accept that Merus is responsible for his own actions, and whilst Whis could have stopped him, would that not have impacted his own impartiality(this doesnt really matter more just a thought)? And Beerus obviously has no responsibility over Merus anyway.

I do think there will be consequences, but i dont think there should be, i think they will be shoehorned in in order to make a story arc/bring Merus back, but i think if the Angels are characterised properly it should be a case of "He made his choice in the end, he has been punished, we all move on" in the same way there were no consequences for Goku bringing future Zeno back, or Beerus hakai-ing another universes Kaioshin.

Its not concise but i totally said some things.

[pepd]

I honestly think Beerus' reputation is screwed now because Whis will use him as his shield in the negotiations with Grand Priest.

Maybe for the joke, but I doubt Whis will blame him if it's serious, something that I find unlikely.

Jump Festa is comming, so maybe they kickstart a new movie? Anyhow, I hope the next arc is lighthearted.

[SupremeKai25]

I honestly think Beerus' reputation is screwed now because Whis will use him as his shield in the negotiations with Grand Priest.

Maybe for the joke, but I doubt Whis will blame him if it's serious, something that I find unlikely.

Jump Festa is comming, so maybe they kickstart a new movie? Anyhow, I hope the next arc is lighthearted.

So far every arc in Super has been light-hearted, really. The only exception is the Future Trunks arc, which actually had the darkest ending out of any arc in the franchise, since for the first time the Dragon Balls couldn't solve everything away. I would be positively surprised if the Moro arc ended in a dark or grim way, but there are 0 chances of that happening because End of Z shows that everyone is alright and Moro is (supposedly) gone. You're pretty much guaranteed to have light-hearted arcs, at least until the story gets past the End of Z. At that point, the protagonists won't have plot armor anymore.

[JewyB]

So far every arc in Super has been light-hearted, really. The only exception is the Future Trunks arc, which actually had the darkest ending out of any arc in the franchise, since for the first time the Dragon Balls couldn't solve everything away. I would be positively surprised if the Moro arc ended in a dark or grim way, but there are 0 chances of that happening because End of Z shows that everyone is alright and Moro is (supposedly) gone. You're pretty much guaranteed to have light-hearted arcs, at least until the story gets past the End of Z. At that point, the protagonists won't have plot armor anymore.

I agree with this but i did jsut think, they didn't even really try. They have Super Dragon Balls now, they probably could have fixed something if they'd have put in minimal effort, but they handwaved it to doubling up Trunks and Mai in another universe instead.

I can only assume its because they either wanted to wrap it up quickly or they have plans for Trunks involving the Xenoverse plot or some other plot in some way. two Trunks in one timeline will eventually lead to one feeling out of place and looking for a place of his own, perhaps patrolling time, perhaps something else. It feels like a way to keep it open ended more so than a logical, in-universe choice.