Unpopular DB opinions

[Scsigs]

I have a definite one for the games. Budokai 2 is the best of the trilogy. I'm not kidding. Budokai 1 has a decent story mode with its presentation (that, frankly, has finally been replaced with Kakarot's, which is just awesome when it gets all cinematic, so it's now a moot point) & Budokai 3 has a slightly more refined combat system, but Budokai 2's story mode is just FUN & has some really good, funny moments. The jazzy soundtrack has some REALLY good tunes, even if most of it was plagiarized. And, I think it has a more accessible fighting system than Budokai 3's that's also better than Budokai 1's, since you don't have to use the garbage Dragon Rush mode from 3 to do super attacks & it's faster & more expansive than 1. Budokai 3 also forgot Tiencha, the best fusion in the franchise, obviously. I played the hell out of it as a kid (had a GameCube & Dimps didn't port 3 to it for some reason, so I didn't play it until years later & they didn't put 2 in the. HD collection for some reason). I really wish they'd rerelease the Budokai HD Collection with 2 included.

Has anyone said that the Great Saiyaman helmet is the best yet?

I see a lot of hate for it and everyone loves bandanna Saiyaman but, I don't, i think it looks awful, the helmet though, the helmet is *chefs kiss*

The helmet fits with the aesthetic of Japanese superheroes, which the Great Saiyaman is a parody of.

Well, Great Saiyaman is an obvious parody of Kamen Rider, particularly classic, so it's definitely a win.

[JewyB]

Has anyone said that the Great Saiyaman helmet is the best yet?

I see a lot of hate for it and everyone loves bandanna Saiyaman but, i dont, i think it looks awful, the helmet though, the helmet is *chefs kiss*

The helmet fits with the aesthetic of Japanese superheroes, which the Great Saiyaman is a parody of.

I get this, as a child before i knew of this i loved it, although, i did also grow up with Power Rangers and Sabans Masked Rider so influences? Perhaps.

I just see so much hate for the helmet for a weird reason.

[Noah]

Probably already had said that on the thread, but the Great Saiyaman portion of the Boo arc were somewhat cool like these short comedy high school animes.

[precita]

Mr. Satan befriending Fat Boo in the middle of the saga with Bee is one of my favorite parts of the saga. The silliness of the Boo arc in general (at least during the middle portion with Fat Boo and then Gotenks before it gets more serious again), is basically Dragonball at its best.

[ABED]

The last two posts about the Buu arc aren't unpopular. An unpopular opinion is that the Great Saiyaman arc isn't funny and is painfully drawn out. It's like an SNL sketch that should've been 5 minutes, but is 15 then gets turned into a movie or TV series.

[precita]

In Kai the Saiyaman stuff is only 4 episodes, in DBZ I think it's around 9? I don't remember the exact count but it doesn't go on that long. And seeing Gohan in High School was a great way to start off the Boo arc and establish his character.

[ABED]

In Kai the Saiyaman stuff is only 4 episodes, in DBZ I think it's around 9? I don't remember the exact count but it doesn't go on that long. And seeing Gohan in High School was a great way to start off the Boo arc and establish his character.

That's 3 episodes too long.

[Soppa Saia People]

we get it, ABED.

[ABED]

we get it, ABED.

Fine. It's a story that overstays its welcome and if that weren't bad enough, it's set up for nothing. Supposedly we need to establish a character who's been around for 200 episodes and it leads to where?

[MasenkoHA]

we get it, ABED.

Fine. It's a story that overstays its welcome and if that weren't bad enough, it's set up for nothing. Supposedly we need to establish a character who's been around for 200 episodes and it leads to where?

It leads to Gohan getting involved with Videl which leads to the tournament which leads to Boo.

There’s no real for Gohan to be a super hero other than Kamen Rider homage.

[ABED]

we get it, ABED.

Fine. It's a story that overstays its welcome and if that weren't bad enough, it's set up for nothing. Supposedly we need to establish a character who's been around for 200 episodes and it leads to where?

It leads to Gohan getting involved with Videl which leads to the tournament which leads to Boo.

There’s no real for Gohan to be a super hero other than Kamen Rider homage.

I'm fine with him in high school and meeting Videl but the Sentai homage isn't all that funny. There's nothing to really invest in there. I'm not a fan of the driving episode but at least that was a single episode.

When I say it lead to nowhere, I meant with Gohan. He ends up not being the hero of the story. He finds a wife, that's about it.

[MasenkoHA]

Fine. It's a story that overstays its welcome and if that weren't bad enough, it's set up for nothing. Supposedly we need to establish a character who's been around for 200 episodes and it leads to where?

It leads to Gohan getting involved with Videl which leads to the tournament which leads to Boo.

There’s no real for Gohan to be a super hero other than Kamen Rider homage.

I'm fine with him in high school and meeting Videl but the Sentai homage isn't all that funny. There's nothing to really invest in there.

To be fair, I think Toriyama felt the same way since he throws Gohan back into the background and only temporarily brings him back in the spotlight to be a decoy hero.

In retrospect, it’s not surprising he felt burned out by Boo. It seemed like he killed off Goku because he had nothing else to do and then realized Gohan isn’t interesting enough to be a protagonist even dressing him up as a wanna be Costumed Crime Fighter dork

[MyVisionity]

The last two posts about the Buu arc aren't unpopular. An unpopular opinion is that the Great Saiyaman arc isn't funny and is painfully drawn out. It's like an SNL sketch that should've been 5 minutes, but is 15 then gets turned into a movie or TV series.

Who said it was supposed to be funny? It's not a comedy.

Fine. It's a story that overstays its welcome and if that weren't bad enough, it's set up for nothing. Supposedly we need to establish a character who's been around for 200 episodes and it leads to where?

It doesn't lead anywhere because Toriyama changed his mind. He decided to bring Goku back and then end the series.

Had it not been for that, we would have likely seen the Satan City plots and characters continue on and develop.

[ABED]

The last two posts about the Buu arc aren't unpopular. An unpopular opinion is that the Great Saiyaman arc isn't funny and is painfully drawn out. It's like an SNL sketch that should've been 5 minutes, but is 15 then gets turned into a movie or TV series.

Who said it was supposed to be funny? It's not a comedy.

Fine. It's a story that overstays its welcome and if that weren't bad enough, it's set up for nothing. Supposedly we need to establish a character who's been around for 200 episodes and it leads to where?

It doesn't lead anywhere because Toriyama changed his mind. He decided to bring Goku back and then end the series.

Had it not been for that, we would have likely seen the Satan City plots and characters continue on and develop.

It's a parody of Super Sentai and it's Toriyama - of course it's supposed to be funny.

I know why it leads to nowhere. That is part of the point. He takes his time establishing something that in the end he changes his mind on.

And for the love of Dende, are we really back to the ridiculous discussion about Sharpner and Erasa? Even if Gohan stays the lead, those two nothings aren't getting development.

[WittyUsername]

Speaking of Sharpner and Erasa, I will always find it amusing that Toei apparently assumed they would be important enough to include in the group shot at the end of the opening. I’m not even sure why they would’ve thought that. I don’t blame them for promoting Gohan as the new main character, since that was what Toriyama promised to do before he changed his mind, but Sharpner and Erasa?

[Mad Swami]

Speaking of Sharpner and Erasa, I will always find it amusing that Toei apparently assumed they would be important enough to include in the group shot at the end of the opening. I’m not even sure why they would’ve thought that. I don’t blame them for promoting Gohan as the new main character, since that was what Toriyama promised to do before he changed his mind, but Sharpner and Erasa?

I think they assumed it'd focus more on his school life and that they'd be the side characters of that. I kind of get it.

[MyVisionity]

It's a parody of Super Sentai and it's Toriyama - of course it's supposed to be funny.

There are comedic elements to it, but it's not all one big joke. Great Saiyaman is a plot development for Gohan. His adventures are played straight.

And for the love of Dende, are we really back to the ridiculous discussion about Sharpner and Erasa? Even if Gohan stays the lead, those two nothings aren't getting development.

Who can really say? Would Gohan really have just dropped out of high school? If not, Sharpner and Erasa won't going nowhere. The possibilities were endless. For one, we see after the battle with Boo that Gohan has returned to crimefighting with Videl by his side. Maybe with a couple more partners he forms a Great Saiyaman squad of some sort. Either way, clearly Gohan had returned to his life in Satan City.

[precita]

At the time the opening was made Toei had no idea the manga would end with the Boo saga. I guess they assumed Gohan would go back to High School after the Boo arc ended and the show would continue from there.

Looking back on it now, the Boo arc really was the perfect end to DBZ. While stuff like Beerus/Whis and multiple universes now feels kinda natural, it really does make sense looking back for Boo to officially end Dragonball's canon run. Toriyama had a lot of fun with that saga (most of the Boo arc is actually a dark comedy), and it was a fitting conclusion to the series.

[Scsigs]

At the time the opening was made Toei had no idea the manga would end with the Boo saga. I guess they assumed Gohan would go back to High School after the Boo arc ended and the show would continue from there.

Looking back on it now, the Boo arc really was the perfect end to DBZ. While stuff like Beerus/Whis and multiple universes now feels kinda natural, it really does make sense looking back for Boo to officially end Dragonball's canon run. Toriyama had a lot of fun with that saga (most of the Boo arc is actually a dark comedy), and it was a fitting conclusion to the series.

To me, that arc was a mess of bad pacing, it went on too long, & mood whiplash that goes off the rails once the main plot starts kicking in. A fitting end? Meh. I don't mind the ending, but the arc could've been better-written as a whole.

[Matches Malone]

At the time the opening was made Toei had no idea the manga would end with the Boo saga. I guess they assumed Gohan would go back to High School after the Boo arc ended and the show would continue from there.

Looking back on it now, the Boo arc really was the perfect end to DBZ. It really does make sense looking back for Boo to officially end Dragonball's canon run.

He said in a 2014 interview that he went into the Buu arc with the intention of it being the final one.

I completely agree, Buu was definitely the right time to end things, as basically all the character arcs were wrapped up by its conclusion.