Would you say that GT is more or less liked nowadays?

[Skar]

Yes, early Super looks like trash. The producers wanted to quickly capitalize on the movies' overwhelming success and didn't take much time to make Super. However, Super greatly improved by the time of the U6 arc. The original arcs of Super don't look nearly as bad as the retellings... in fact, they don't look bad at all. The Future Trunks and ToP arcs look very good and definitely above your average anime.

I agree they don't look nearly as bad as the retellings but I think most of DBS's episode to episode animation quality would still be considered pretty average by today's standards. AnimeAjay said the new series director for the final arc had the average frames per episode increased from 3500 to 4500 so it definitely helped but it was only the final battle that went way above what they've done before in DBS that I've seen ranked among the best modern anime battles. The final battle had around 8000 frames which is impressive for DBS but some top tier anime have at least that for all their episodes. I'm not saying the rest are bad because I enjoyed some of them but there's a noticeable jump in quality there.

[Matches Malone]

Everyone is telling how Super nailed the fights... But Beerus, Ressurection F and Universe 6 arcs were so bad... GT at least had better production quality in this aspect.

GT overall looked better, far better in fact, the problem is that it had little to no hand to hand choreography. Even at its worst, Super still tried to give us fights, even if they weren't good. GT didn't even give us that. I'm by no means hating on GT, as overall I think it's a better product than Super's anime, but there's no getting around its terrible fight choreography.

[MCDaveG]

Everyone is telling how Super nailed the fights... But Beerus, Ressurection F and Universe 6 arcs were so bad... GT at least had better production quality in this aspect.

GT overall looked better, far better in fact, the problem is that it had little to no hand to hand choreography. Even at its worst, Super still tried to give us fights, even if they weren't good. GT didn't even give us that. I'm by no means hating on GT, as overall I think it's a better product than Super's anime, but there's no getting around its terrible fight choreography.

I don't have problem with that, as GT has it's set of problems, it's just that people praise Super so much, but in reality the fights until the Future Trunks arc when the series started to try, were as bad as in GT at times... Even the blast exchange between Baby and SSJ4 Goku looked awesome thanks to production value, with fights like Goku vs Beerus repeating badly animated and badly drawn fists, with some highlight once in a while. So like better half of the Super has not much over the GT in my opinion...

If the Super looked like the Tournament of Power since the start, complete with the design, colour scheme and animation, man, Super will be great and we wouldn't have such talks.

[MCDaveG]

Yes, early Super looks like trash. The producers wanted to quickly capitalize on the movies' overwhelming success and didn't take much time to make Super. However, Super greatly improved by the time of the U6 arc. The original arcs of Super don't look nearly as bad as the retellings... in fact, they don't look bad at all. The Future Trunks and ToP arcs look very good and definitely above your average anime.

I agree they don't look nearly as bad as the retellings but I think most of DBS's episode to episode animation quality would still be considered pretty average by today's standards. AnimeAjay said the new series director for the final arc had the average frames per episode increased from 3500 to 4500 so it definitely helped but it was only the final battle that went way above what they've done before in DBS that I've seen ranked among the best modern anime battles. The final battle had around 8000 frames which is impressive for DBS but some top tier anime have at least that for all their episodes. I'm not saying the rest are bad because I enjoyed some of them but there's a noticeable jump in quality there.

It's the TOEI thing really... their anime are cheaply animated since ever. Like compare Dragon Ball Z with Gundam series from Sunrise from the same era, or Gintama with Super... Sure, might be like comparing apples and pears, but TOEI was always cheap. Same with Saint Seiya, the original series and even the newer OAVs look horrible, like Soul Of Gold...

[Matches Malone]

If the Super looked like the Tournament of Power since the start, complete with the design, colour scheme and animation, man, Super will be great and we wouldn't have such talks.

Even if this were the case, we'd still have to deal with the fact that it wasted so much time on retellings, filler, and tournaments.

[MCDaveG]

If the Super looked like the Tournament of Power since the start, complete with the design, colour scheme and animation, man, Super will be great and we wouldn't have such talks.

Even if this were the case, we'd still have to deal with the fact that it wasted so much time on retellings, filler, and tournaments.

I have actually liked it as a Z sequel, more than GT. It was more than I ever hoped for as a kid and even with reading original manga with it's end.
It's just lot of the things were poorly executed, like Pilaf... how come, you have everything explained in Battle Of Gods a movie, but leave such plotholes in series that has longer runtime and waste the extra time on Oolong doing paper, rock, scissors...
That was rudiculous, because the movie had more content and better content, than this first arc of the show, but fans get blown off by Beerus and Goku creating Dragons out of their ki...
And things like Goten and Trunks had even a bigger spotlight in the short run of GT and were their own characters and not just Gotenks, which I am kinda tired off...
But I loved things like the slice of life episodes, Goku and Vegeta training etc.
So I am not really against the rettelings, because they had the potential to be really good and packed with stuff and extra, but Beerus arc was lackluster in comparison to the movie, Ressurection F on the other hand, was better, but not production wise... Universe 6 for me was boring visually and I prefer the manga version - not a retelling, but.

I am going in circles really... so I am clearly prefering Super over GT storywise, but GT visually is to me on par with Z in it's heyday, as Super is just cheap throwaway. And it makes me angry a lot as a fan actually... It's like buying the Gundam game, that lacks content as it just has arcade and multiplayer that nobody plays and you have to buy 40 more mobile suits for 8 dollars each to have a full roster... or 30th anniversary US boxset for that matter. But still, it's just when I invest into some Japanese franchise IP, I feel like they screw me over...
Only time I didn't felt like that recently and I adore this product, is FighterZ.

[Matches Malone]

I am clearly prefering Super over GT storywise, but GT visually is to me on par with Z in it's heyday, as Super is just cheap throwaway.

I prefer the 3 movies and Super's manga over GT, but not the series. As flawed as GT is, I can at least sit through it, which is something I probably will never do again with Super 1.0.

[MCDaveG]

I am clearly prefering Super over GT storywise, but GT visually is to me on par with Z in it's heyday, as Super is just cheap throwaway.

I prefer the 3 movies and Super's manga over GT, but not the series. As flawed as GT is, I can at least sit through it, which is something I probably will never do again with Super 1.0.

I wanted to do rewatch... so I started with Dragon Ball, done, went to Z and somehow, after reaching Freeza vs Vegeta and the rest... I coudn't finish it. Took me like 2 years to get there and was planning to go straight to Super after Z, but when I am already done like this, I think I won't be able to rewatch it even with Blu-ray edits, that frankly didn't fix a thing...

Also, I have never finished Garlic Jr. arc in Z... so I hoped that I would finally!

[Matches Malone]

I wanted to do rewatch... so I started with Dragon Ball, done, went to Z and somehow, after reaching Freeza vs Vegeta and the rest... I coudn't finish it.

I haven't watched Z since Kai started airing back in 09. Getting through Z, especially after getting used to modern anime pacing is near impossible.

[jjgp1112]

I am clearly prefering Super over GT storywise, but GT visually is to me on par with Z in it's heyday, as Super is just cheap throwaway.

I prefer the 3 movies and Super's manga over GT, but not the series. As flawed as GT is, I can at least sit through it, which is something I probably will never do again with Super 1.0.

I wanted to do rewatch... so I started with Dragon Ball, done, went to Z and somehow, after reaching Freeza vs Vegeta and the rest... I coudn't finish it. Took me like 2 years to get there and was planning to go straight to Super after Z, but when I am already done like this, I think I won't be able to rewatch it even with Blu-ray edits, that frankly didn't fix a thing...

Also, I have never finished Garlic Jr. arc in Z... so I hoped that I would finally!

I've been reading the Z manga from the beginning...ever since I've reached the Namek arc, my interest in keeping this going has dropped so much because I've seen these episodes so so many times that I'm practically just stopping to picture the anime versions of the scenes in my head and adding the exact music cues. This really started in the Saiyan saga but I was mostly continuing so I could track the evolution of Toriyama's art style. Now that it's reached it's "conclusion" in Namek and will only get intermittently sloppier from here...yeah, it's not as interesting.

[Goten_jr]

Everyone is telling how Super nailed the fights... But Beerus, Ressurection F and Universe 6 arcs were so bad... GT at least had better production quality in this aspect.

GT overall looked better, far better in fact, the problem is that it had little to no hand to hand choreography. Even at its worst, Super still tried to give us fights, even if they weren't good. GT didn't even give us that. I'm by no means hating on GT, as overall I think it's a better product than Super's anime, but there's no getting around its terrible fight choreography.

I don't have problem with that, as GT has it's set of problems, it's just that people praise Super so much, but in reality the fights until the Future Trunks arc when the series started to try, were as bad as in GT at times... Even the blast exchange between Baby and SSJ4 Goku looked awesome thanks to production value, with fights like Goku vs Beerus repeating badly animated and badly drawn fists, with some highlight once in a while. So like better half of the Super has not much over the GT in my opinion...

If the Super looked like the Tournament of Power since the start, complete with the design, colour scheme and animation, man, Super will be great and we wouldn't have such talks.

I honestly think that Goku vs Ledgic&General Rildo looks better than every dbs Fight of the first half

[Goten_jr]

I prefer GT’s Artstyle,Story&Worldbuilding over Super’s
Super wins in Fights,introducing new Characters&Slice of life episodes(comedy)&Animation
When it comes to handling characters
GT Goku>>>DBS Goku
DBS Vegeta>>GT Vegeta
DBS Gohan>GT Gohan
GT Piccolo>DBS Piccolo
GT Goten&Trunks>>>DBS Goten&Trunks
GT Buu>DBS Buu


With the exception of Baby,Zamasu,Broly,cabba&Nuova I don’t care for the most Characters that both series new introduced but Super did a better Job in this

If I would rank all the Arcs:
1.Baby 7/10
2.FT arc 6.5/10
3.Shadow Dragon 6/10
4.Black Star 5.5/10
5.TOP 5/10
6.U6 4/10
7.Super 17 2/10

[Mad Swami]

But it would also make sense for Goku and Vegeta to attempt to relocate the fight. When they have the power to, they never try.

1) They never have the power to do so, Black and Zamasu are always one step ahead. Even when Vegeta seemingly defeats Black, the latter easily regains the upper hand.

2) When they relocate the fight, it's because they want to spare civilians. But the future city has already been wrecked, the vast majority of its people massacred, so there really is no point in relocating to a safer place.

1) Instant Transmission, and or Vegito. Plus Vegeta had enough power, and Zamasu on his own was always the weak one just invincible

2) It's totally reasonable to not want to further damage the city and or not crush the people in the underground tunnels

[ABED]

But it would also make sense for Goku and Vegeta to attempt to relocate the fight. When they have the power to, they never try.

1) They never have the power to do so, Black and Zamasu are always one step ahead. Even when Vegeta seemingly defeats Black, the latter easily regains the upper hand.

2) When they relocate the fight, it's because they want to spare civilians. But the future city has already been wrecked, the vast majority of its people massacred, so there really is no point in relocating to a safer place.

1) Instant Transmission, and or Vegito. Plus Vegeta had enough power, and Zamasu on his own was always the weak one just invincible

2) It's totally reasonable to not want to further damage the city and or not crush the people in the underground tunnels

Vegeta does not have the power

[Mad Swami]

1) They never have the power to do so, Black and Zamasu are always one step ahead. Even when Vegeta seemingly defeats Black, the latter easily regains the upper hand.

2) When they relocate the fight, it's because they want to spare civilians. But the future city has already been wrecked, the vast majority of its people massacred, so there really is no point in relocating to a safer place.

1) Instant Transmission, and or Vegito. Plus Vegeta had enough power, and Zamasu on his own was always the weak one just invincible

2) It's totally reasonable to not want to further damage the city and or not crush the people in the underground tunnels

Vegeta does not have the power

He did. I mean he outclassed Goku Black completley. Before Goku Black gained more power, Vegeta was fully capable of moving the fight. Hell he could at least sperated Goku Black from Zamasu. Maybe Goku and Zamasu continue their fight in the city. Eitherway, Vegeta did

[ABED]

1) Instant Transmission, and or Vegito. Plus Vegeta had enough power, and Zamasu on his own was always the weak one just invincible

2) It's totally reasonable to not want to further damage the city and or not crush the people in the underground tunnels

Vegeta does not have the power

He did. I mean he outclassed Goku Black completley. Before Goku Black gained more power, Vegeta was fully capable of moving the fight. Hell he could at least sperated Goku Black from Zamasu. Maybe Goku and Zamasu continue their fight in the city. Eitherway, Vegeta did

I saw the show and he didn't. That's why Vegetto was needed. The good guys could not unilaterally decide to move the battle. Zamasu is intent on genocide, he goes where the people are.

[SupremeKai25]

But it would also make sense for Goku and Vegeta to attempt to relocate the fight. When they have the power to, they never try.

1) They never have the power to do so, Black and Zamasu are always one step ahead. Even when Vegeta seemingly defeats Black, the latter easily regains the upper hand.

2) When they relocate the fight, it's because they want to spare civilians. But the future city has already been wrecked, the vast majority of its people massacred, so there really is no point in relocating to a safer place.

1) Instant Transmission, and or Vegito. Plus Vegeta had enough power, and Zamasu on his own was always the weak one just invincible

2) It's totally reasonable to not want to further damage the city and or not crush the people in the underground tunnels

Goku Black has instant transmission too, so that point is moot. During the Vegito vs. Fused Zamasu fight, the civilians were already evacuated into the hangar made by Bulma. The city was effectively abandoned by civilians.

And you still have to explain how exactly GT is better, because I dont remember Goku forcing Baby or Omega Shenron to fight anywhere else than in a desolate, ruined city.

[ABED]

GT has interesting new ideas but the execution is boring. Super has more interesting new characters and better fights, but it's too reliant on nostalgia and keeping the status quo. I'll give the edge to Super but ever so slightly.

[Mad Swami]

Vegeta does not have the power

He did. I mean he outclassed Goku Black completley. Before Goku Black gained more power, Vegeta was fully capable of moving the fight. Hell he could at least sperated Goku Black from Zamasu. Maybe Goku and Zamasu continue their fight in the city. Eitherway, Vegeta did

I saw the show and he didn't. That's why Vegetto was needed. The good guys could not unilaterally decide to move the battle. Zamasu is intent on genocide, he goes where the people are.

I watched the show, and at one point noticed a part where both heroes were much stronger than both villains and were totally capable of relocating

[Mad Swami]

1) They never have the power to do so, Black and Zamasu are always one step ahead. Even when Vegeta seemingly defeats Black, the latter easily regains the upper hand.

2) When they relocate the fight, it's because they want to spare civilians. But the future city has already been wrecked, the vast majority of its people massacred, so there really is no point in relocating to a safer place.

1) Instant Transmission, and or Vegito. Plus Vegeta had enough power, and Zamasu on his own was always the weak one just invincible

2) It's totally reasonable to not want to further damage the city and or not crush the people in the underground tunnels

Goku Black has instant transmission too, so that point is moot. During the Vegito vs. Fused Zamasu fight, the civilians were already evacuated into the hangar made by Bulma. The city was effectively abandoned by civilians.

And you still have to explain how exactly GT is better, because I dont remember Goku forcing Baby or Omega Shenron to fight anywhere else than in a desolate, ruined city.

Ok he uses IT but for some reason doesn't find the humans in the subway. And I remember, my point was instead of that they could have made the fight more entertaining by finding a different fighting area. Also if Goku used IT why would Goku Black and Zamasu mid fight IT away? I feel they'd want to take care of Vegeta and Goku first. At least grow in strength.

I don't think GT is better. GT is a worse show. I just think the settings are nicer to look at. I like the artstyle more and other aspects. Goku was fighting Baby on New Vegeta which was a great setting. The architecture looked interesting and the pink sky was interesting. The Omega Shenron fight is shorter and the blue sky make it a bit more tollerable. Granted the Zamasu vs Vegito fight is great and distracts from the ugly world. I just think variety should have been used. The omega Shenron fight is super boring but its setting is a tad more visually pleasing as opposed to the drab future of the Zamasu area