"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

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Post by GodVegetto91 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:07 am

Triggered Vegeta wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:36 pm Moro gets Hakaid the moment he attacks Goku. Fingers crossed. Right to his damn face.
Hakai’d by WHO??? And what are you basing this on?!

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Post by mute_proxy » Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:12 am

GodVegetto91 wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:07 am Hakai’d by WHO??? And what are you basing this on?!
Hakaid by Goku. Goku is capable of it in the manga. He's thinking wishfully.

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Post by FishermanJohnWest » Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:39 am

MAJOR SPOILERS

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Post by SupremeKai25 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:45 am

FishermanJohnWest wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:39 am
MAJOR SPOILERS
At his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
Akira Toriyama, DBS vol.4 joint interview with Toyotaro

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Post by Matches Malone » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:15 am

FishermanJohnWest wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:39 am
MAJOR SPOILERS
To Vegeta if for whatever reason you've broken the 4th wall and are reading this:

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Post by YamiGoku » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:28 am

FishermanJohnWest wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:39 am
MAJOR SPOILERS
Did Goku lose UI? because if he lower his guard while having UI activated I'm done.

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Post by Matches Malone » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:29 am

YamiGoku wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:28 amDid Goku lose UI? because if he lower his guard while having UI activated I'm done.

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Post by Xeogran » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:35 am

Turns out they officially spoiled us another page in the Interview, what has the world come to :lol:
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Post by Matches Malone » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:37 am

Xeogran wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:35 am Turns out they officially spoiled us another page in the Interview, what has the world come to :lol:
Well it's blurry, but still, open at your own risk
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Post by Femme Fatale Kikaza » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:53 am

Oh boy here we go again. Moro has a new form now? Well, looks like we still have some time left...
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Post by Matches Malone » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:57 am

Femme Fatale Kikaza wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:53 am Oh boy here we go again. Moro has a new form now? Well, looks like we still have some time left...
I really hope whoever fights him next, be it Vegeta, Buu, or Beerus puts him down. This arc has waaaaaaaaay overstayed its welcome. We're getting into Z anime pacing where literally nothing happens.

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Post by Femme Fatale Kikaza » Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:00 am

Matches Malone wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:57 am
Femme Fatale Kikaza wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:53 am Oh boy here we go again. Moro has a new form now? Well, looks like we still have some time left...
I really hope whoever fights him next, be it Vegeta, Buu, or Beerus puts him down. This arc has waaaaaaaaay overstayed its welcome. We're getting into Z anime pacing where literally nothing happens.
This arc should've ended way before this. Fucking hell, I would've preferred Vegeta killing him at this rate because this is way too annoying.
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Post by YamiGoku » Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:04 am

I don't understand how Moro can surprise Goku on UI, it goes against the entire point of UI...

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Post by Matches Malone » Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:10 am

V-Jump scans are already leaking, so we should have more details any minute.
YamiGoku wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:04 am I don't understand how Moro can surprise Goku on UI, it goes against the entire point of UI...
We're way past going against the point of UI. Both UI and SsjG were unique forms that are now nothing more than recolored Ssj forms. Whatever separated UI from everything else is long gone.

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Post by Femme Fatale Kikaza » Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:18 am

This arc should've ended long ago. The longer it goes, the more ridiculous it gets.
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Post by GodVegetto91 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:45 am

YamiGoku wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:04 am I don't understand how Moro can surprise Goku on UI, it goes against the entire point of UI...
You’re right! And this is why your assertion is only an assertion! There is NO evidence that happened! Moro most likely managed to find and consume his missing hand, thus gaining Merus’ Angel powers = Ultra Instinct aswell and then managed to fairly overpower MUI Goku... That’s the only rational outcome and what I would be okay with!

Normal Moro 73 should NEVER be able to even TOUCH MUI Goku!

So this is why I believe he managed to copy Merus’ Angel powers (which should automatically give him UI aswell!)

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Post by HeroR » Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:54 am

BWri wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:07 pm
HeroR wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:09 am Dragon Ball doesn't need a super fan, otherwise Toyo would fit the bill.
We're talking about different kinds of superfans in this instance. I'm talking about people who catalogue the show, its history, locations, lore, etc. Toyotaro drew a fan manga. Either way, Dragon Ball needs a fact checker/loremaster, so the easy errors are caught, that's the point I was making. Editors are supposed to do that, but a series as longrunning as DB could use someone who specifically focuses on series continuity.
Also, Toriyama's most strict editor liked Resurrection 'F', which surprised Toriyama.
I did too, on first watch, as a standalone feature despite the errors. It's the way it was implemented into the series that's problematic. His editor might not like the Golden Freeza arc iteration of 'F'.
Japan in general don’t give a shit about continuity. That’s mostly a western thing. Which is why no manga, not even something as lore heavy as One Piece that has been running for 20 years, has a lore master. And to be frank, most fans don’t watched Dragon Ball for its story. Which is why Resurrection ‘F’ is rating higher than Battle of Gods on most review sites despite fans here regularly dumping on Resurrection ‘F’ while praising Battle of Gods.

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Post by Totamo » Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:08 am

I'm getting at least 3 different spoilers thrown at me so I'm waiting.

One says UI Goku got absprbed and he is saved by whis.

Two says Buu seals him away with his magic sealing spell

Three says beerus hakais Moro after he loses to Goku.

I hate all of them and hope they are all wrong. Unlike most of you folks, I didn't rage at 8 pages and had an easy solution in my head for them to do with the senzu and it doesn't seem like they are going to do it.
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Post by Totamo » Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:12 am

HeroR wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:54 am
BWri wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:07 pm
HeroR wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:09 am Dragon Ball doesn't need a super fan, otherwise Toyo would fit the bill.
We're talking about different kinds of superfans in this instance. I'm talking about people who catalogue the show, its history, locations, lore, etc. Toyotaro drew a fan manga. Either way, Dragon Ball needs a fact checker/loremaster, so the easy errors are caught, that's the point I was making. Editors are supposed to do that, but a series as longrunning as DB could use someone who specifically focuses on series continuity.
Also, Toriyama's most strict editor liked Resurrection 'F', which surprised Toriyama.
I did too, on first watch, as a standalone feature despite the errors. It's the way it was implemented into the series that's problematic. His editor might not like the Golden Freeza arc iteration of 'F'.
Japan in general don’t give a shit about continuity. That’s mostly a western thing. Which is why no manga, not even something as lore heavy as One Piece that has been running for 20 years, has a lore master. And to be frank, most fans don’t watched Dragon Ball for its story. Which is why Resurrection ‘F’ is rating higher than Battle of Gods on most review sites despite fans here regularly dumping on Resurrection ‘F’ while praising Battle of Gods.

The retelling fixed many issues people had with the story of the movie. The downside was the animation.
This is true.

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Post by Ziegander » Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:19 am

Maybe the twist is Goku goes to hakai Moro after Moro's inevitable betrayal, but Moro eats it and transforms into a godlike being?

I'm just trying to come up with something that doesn't make Goku AND Toyotaro both look like complete idiot trash.
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