"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[SupremeKai25]

So why can't Whis just rewind time, exactly? Merus was not a fully-fledged angel, he was just an apprentice, so Whis > Merus, therefore Angel Moro shouldn't be invulnerable to time rewind. Just rewind time and kill this ugly goat before it's too late lol.

[Magnificent Ponta]

It's more towards what I'd hoped for than what else might've come out of it.

What did you think was going to happen ? the biggest problem I have with this is that it means the arc will be dragged out even longer.

I'd worried that perhaps it could've been something more 'conveniently' contrived, like

Spoiler:

Goku's Ultra Instinct conveniently ending at the crucial moment, or Moro getting hold of him to copy his Ultra Instinct while he's distracted by something or other. This is something that they bothered to set up to become a problem later, and it makes sense that Goku wouldn't think of it as something to come up, so I'm okay with it.

And while I get the fatigue on the arc when it's something that comes around on a monthly release, I think in hindsight it probably won't be as egregious as it feels right now. Guess I'll have to wait and re-read the whole thing once we have it.

[Matches Malone]

So why can't Whis just rewind time, exactly?

Because it would prevent them from dragging this out for another 6 months.

[Lionel]

Angelic essence battle? Sounds appealing. We've never played audience to an earnest fight between two angels or beings with angelic powers. I'm curious to see how this pans out -- overall I would expect Whis to come the clear victor, though. Moro is a pretender dressing up in the style of the being whose powers he stole. Whis shouldn't have too much trouble here... One would think.

What this climax may imply on a sub-textual level is that Goku is soaring to heights that are now requiring angels to unwind themselves from the spectators' side and actually take a step onto the battlefield. I hope that's the case, at least.

[Magnificent Ponta]

What this climax may imply on a sub-textual level is that Goku is soaring to heights that are now requiring angels to unwind themselves from the spectators' side and actually take a step onto the battlefield. I hope that's the case, at least.

I like that thought. The matter of Angelic neutrality has been pretty constant since at least the Future Trunks arc, so I'd enjoy seeing a closer look at that.

[Femme Fatale Kikaza]

What could Moro even do to Whis anyway? He's stronger, faster and smarter than him. Whis losing to him would be horrible writing unless he does it on purpose.

[JewyB]

YES!!! I FREAKING CALLED IT!!!!

I mean, you and 90% of everyone else reading, i dont think i saw any discussion where Moro's angel hand wasn't brought up.

So... Moro's new form is... White eyeshadow?

He now has all of Merus' angle powers, which explains why Whis is now involved. Whis vs Moro may end up being the final fight.

I mean the look, they changed all of his make up by the looks of it.

[Matches Malone]

Whis losing to him would be horrible writing unless he does it on purpose.

It's being handled by the same person who had Goku give Moro a senzu, everything's possible now.

[Magnificent Ponta]

What could Moro even do to Whis anyway? He's stronger, faster and smarter than him. Whis losing to him would be horrible writing unless he does it on purpose.

While everything to do with Whis's possible involvement remains speculative, I think it's less a question of how Moro could beat Whis, and more how far Whis could conceivably act in opposing Moro before reaching the limits of his own neutrality.

[Matches Malone]

While everything to do with Whis's possible involvement remains speculative, I think it's less a question of how Moro could beat Whis, and more how far Whis could conceivably act in opposing Moro before reaching the limits of his own neutrality.

I think Whis can go all out due to Moro having angle powers.

[DiscountDabi]

I don’t see enough people ragging on the awful design. Turned all his fur White, white eyeliner. Dear God, how have we come from Magic Evil Goat Man, to this Garbage.

[Femme Fatale Kikaza]

Moro's design is as horrible as his lackluster personality.

[Magnificent Ponta]

While everything to do with Whis's possible involvement remains speculative, I think it's less a question of how Moro could beat Whis, and more how far Whis could conceivably act in opposing Moro before reaching the limits of his own neutrality.

I think Whis can go all out due to Moro having angle powers.

Maybe, maybe not. But it's an interesting question that I'll enjoy seeing more of in the material.

I don’t see enough people ragging on the awful design.

...Why do you want to see more people doing that, exactly?

[SupremeKai25]

Tinfoil theory time: What if the reason why Goku's friends haven't seen him for like 5 years before End of Z is because Goku was imprisoned by the Galactic Patrol after the Moro arc? I mean, Goku pretty much armed a terrorist fugitive. That's kind of a crime, a very serious one too I might add.

[Femme Fatale Kikaza]

Whis losing to him would be horrible writing unless he does it on purpose.

It's being handled by the same person who had Goku give Moro a senzu, everything's possible now.

The longer this arc goes, the more ridiculous it gets. If Whis lost and it wasn't on purpose, the writing would look god-awful.

[Femme Fatale Kikaza]

Tinfoil theory time: What if the reason why Goku's friends haven't seen him for like 5 years before End of Z is because Goku was imprisoned by the Galactic Patrol after the Moro arc? I mean, Goku pretty much armed a terrorist fugitive. That's kind of a crime, a very serious one too I might add.

HA!

Good luck imprisoning someone like Goku. Unless he does it out of his own free will and goes to jail, Goku would legit break himself out in two seconds by teleporting earth by locking onto someone or by stealing a ship and fly back since he can't breathe in space. Honestly Goku would stay long enough to get his mugshot and put a prison uniform around his waist before getting bored and breaking out.

[Magnificent Ponta]

So why can't Whis just rewind time, exactly?

Whis explained in Chapter 14 that he can only do this once in a long while, else it'll throw off the Time Axis of reality. Since it's only been a couple of years since he last did it, I'd be very surprised if he could do it again.

[SupremeKai25]

Tinfoil theory time: What if the reason why Goku's friends haven't seen him for like 5 years before End of Z is because Goku was imprisoned by the Galactic Patrol after the Moro arc? I mean, Goku pretty much armed a terrorist fugitive. That's kind of a crime, a very serious one too I might add.

HA!

Good luck imprisoning someone like Goku. Unless he does it out of his own free will and goes to jail, Goku would legit break himself out in two seconds by teleporting earth by locking onto someone or by stealing a ship and fly back since he can't breathe in space. Honestly Goku would stay long enough to get his mugshot and put a prison uniform around his waist before getting bored and breaking out.

Consider that his form of atonement for wasting Merus' sacrifice.

So why can't Whis just rewind time, exactly?

Whis explained in Chapter 14 that he can only do this once in a long while, else it'll throw off the Time Axis of reality. Since it's only been a couple of years since he last did it, I'd be very surprised if he could do it again.

Not really. He used the time rewind in RoF against Frieza and then again in the Future Trunks arc against Zamasu. According to the wikia, both the RoF arc and the Future Trunks arc happened in Age 779, so he doesn't have to wait a couple of years.

[Femme Fatale Kikaza]

So any estimates on how long Super Perfect Moro is gonna stick around? Because him having angel powers probably will end up basically fucking them all over. Also, can't Moro rewind time now that he has Merus's powers? Since Merus was an angel in training in terms of getting a universe, I'm pretty sure he just needed to complete that, he has his powers in order, meaning Moro can manipulate time right?

[SupremeKai25]

By the way, are Beerus fanboys still going to pretend that the cat is the final goal of Super? Because I'm pretty sure Angel Moro could fodderize him.