Why has DB gone so crazy with new forms?

[precita]

Super Saiyan God should have lasted half the series. Blue should have come later.

Also it makes no sense for so many mortals to have power nearly equal to a God. While Beerus, the other Gods of Destruction and Angels will always be the most powerful....now Goku is coming across all these other mortals with power up to God level? What?

By this logic everything that happened in DBZ was trivial. The once feared Majin Boo who was going to destroy an entire universe would be killed in a sneeze by anything in Super. It's sad.

[SupremeKai25]

Super Saiyan God should have lasted half the series. Blue should have come later.

Also it makes no sense for so many mortals to have power nearly equal to a God. While Beerus, the other Gods of Destruction and Angels will always be the most powerful....now Goku is coming across all these other mortals with power up to God level? What?

By this logic everything that happened in DBZ was trivial. The once feared Majin Boo who was going to destroy an entire universe would be killed in a sneeze by anything in Super. It's sad.

It's called power creep, and it was already a problem in Z. Remember Perfect Cell, the supreme being of perfection who was supposed to be unstoppable and... well... perfect? Yeah, Fat Majin Buu (the weakest incarnation of Majin Buu) would've oneshot him.

[precita]

At the very least it made sense in DBZ, Majin Boo was sealed away for millions of years and nobody knew he existed but the Kai's (and King Cold...somehow). It sort of makes sense for there to be one ultimate evil sealed away that would be stronger than anything in the modern universe.

Freeza really was the strongest in the universe at the time (as the Androids/Cell didn't exist yet, and nobody outside of Earth even knew about them), and then Boo was sealed away.

[SupremeKai25]

At the very least it made sense in DBZ, Majin Boo was sealed away for millions of years and nobody knew he existed but the Kai's (and King Cold...somehow). It sort of makes sense for there to be one ultimate evil sealed away that would be stronger than anything in the modern universe.

Freeza really was the strongest in the universe at the time (as the Androids/Cell didn't exist yet, and nobody outside of Earth even knew about them), and then Boo was sealed away.

Even if you want to use the argument "the power creep with Z villains was fine because most of them were deactivated/dormant during the show", you still have funny situations like Shin being able to oneshot Frieza if he wanted to. Remember Frieza, the alien who terrified you so much as a kid? Fodder Shin could've oneshot him if he wanted to. He never did simply because Toriyama hadn't come up with the concept of Supreme Kais back then.

Point is, power creep isn't an issue Super started.

[BWri]

On the bright side they've run out of hair colors to give to Goku so maybe the forms are done.

He won't get green hair because that's for Broly and Kale. Stuff like Rose is for Goku Black. He has black hair, blonde hair, red hair, blue hair, silver hair. And SSJ3.

There's really not many other hair colors left unless they do rainbow tooty-fruity.

Shhhhhhhhhhh . They might hear you. Unfortunately, they could use many more colors before they hit the rainbow button. They could even start doing Yugioh-esque combinations.

Spoiler:

[Matches Malone]

They could use many more colors before they hit the rainbow button. They could even start doing Yugioh-esque combinations.

They could reuse all the colors with Ssj3's hair. They've already given Goku a Red and Blue aura when he used kaioken Blue, so it's only a matter of time before his hair has both colors as well.

[BWri]

They could reuse all the colors with Ssj3's hair. They've already given Goku a Red and Blue aura when he used kaioken Blue, so it's only a matter of time before his hair has both colors as well.

See, that's sort of what I want them to do. The best things about the new forms are the auras so I'd rather they start dialing back the hair colors and start doing more cool stuff with the auras and if they need to, the eyes. That ship of subtlety has sailed though.

I really hope they don't recolor SSJ3 though. That's when you absolutely know that the well of ideas has run dry.

[Jiren The Alpha]

Bleach, Naruto and One piece has a lot of forms but for some reason Dragon Ball is the one people make fun of.

[precita]

To be honest does it even make sense for a form beyond Ultra Instinct? Isn't it said to be the form the Angels use? So why should there be anything beyond that? Feels like if Goku masters it it's the apex of what he can do.

I mean he first got the power of a God, then a Super Saiyan version of that, and now Ultra instinct...what could possibly be left? I hope the writers don't get any bright ideas.

[Kinokima]

Bleach, Naruto and One piece has a lot of forms but for some reason Dragon Ball is the one people make fun of.

Because Dragon Ball has way more.

[JewyB]

Bleach, Naruto and One piece has a lot of forms but for some reason Dragon Ball is the one people make fun of.

Because Dragon Ball has way more.

Doesnt Naruto personally have like, 15 forms or something? Ichigo has at least 10, i think Goku is like, just under 10 now so....

[Kinokima]

Bleach, Naruto and One piece has a lot of forms but for some reason Dragon Ball is the one people make fun of.

Because Dragon Ball has way more.

Doesnt Naruto personally have like, 15 forms or something? Ichigo has at least 10, i think Goku is like, just under 10 now so....

It didn’t feel like that many in Naruto and Bleach to me though I could be wrong it’s been awhile since I read or watched either

Also I think it’s really only Dragon Ball Super where I feel new forms are added too quickly. It feels like there is a diminishing return.

[JewyB]

It didn’t feel like that many in Naruto and Bleach to me though I could be wrong it’s been awhile since I read or watched either

Also I think it’s really only Dragon Ball Super where I feel new forms are added too quickly. It feels like there is a diminishing return.

Bleach, i'm pretty sure has more, if we count the SS grades we would have to count the grades of shinigami Ichigo goes through, same with Narutos like, 6 different sage modes or something? I can't comment on One Piece, not a fan(Not a Naruto or Bleach fan but i've read those).

It feels that way with Super because people keep complaining about it. Even if somethings not true, if 90% of the community complain how tedious it is it becomes ingrained. Kinda like the Goku being a bad dad joke becoming a meme, and now "fact" stated my community members. It has entered the Dragon Ball zeitgeist.

EDIT: Also Xeno Goku Black made a good point when he pointed out two of the forms people complain about Super creating are Z forms, and people complain often about side forms like SSJ rose and Wrath state, which is fine, but if they want to do that they also have to acknowledge Frieza and Cell and Buus forms otherwise its an unfair comparison.

[Matches Malone]

To be honest does it even make sense for a form beyond Ultra Instinct? Isn't it said to be the form the Angels use? what could possibly be left?

The form of the Grand Priest.
The form of Zeno.
The form of the demon king...whoever that may be.
The form of Zalama (the creator of the super dragon balls).
The real, real legendary Ssj.
The Saiyan form possibly hidden in the namakian book of legends.

Trust me, there's no lack of options when it comes to creating new forms.

Doesn't Naruto personally have like, 15 forms or something?

He only has 2. Nine Tails mode and Sage mode.

wo of the forms people complain about Super creating are Z forms

They're modern DB forms, it doesn't matter if they were under Z or Super's name.

[JewyB]

He only has 2. Nine Tails mode and Sage mode.

I'm going off the top of my head here and it's been years so i may miss some but from what i rememebr he has base form(which counts),.one tailed form,two tailed, four tailed form, that weird skeleton tailed form, then he pulls a Moro and turns into a planet lol. Nine-tails form without the tails, nine tails form without the tails but with the whiskers and shit where he makes friends with the demon fox, nine tails form with the tail.

Thats just the demon fox forms, he also has the sage modes, which he stacks with demon fox forms, then he has that final jesus sage demon fox form at the end right?

Is that the six paths form or was the six paths also separate?

Thats a lot more than just two forms.

[Matches Malone]

One tailed form,two tailed, four tailed form, that weird skeleton tailed form,

then he pulls a Moro and turns into a planet lol.

Nine-tails form without the tails, nine tails form without the tails but with the whiskers and shit where he makes friends with the demon fox, nine tails form with the tail. He has that final jesus sage demon fox form at the end right? Is that the six paths form or was the six paths also separate?

All those red tailed forms were one form, he just got an extra tail the angrier he got. This hasn't been used since the fight with Pain, as it was completely replaced by his nine tails form, which is basically the same form but perfected.

That was pain trying to capture him by imprisoning the nine tail in a planet like prison, it wasn't a form at all.

These are all one form, it just changes slightly depending on what techniques he's using.

[JewyB]

All those red tailed forms were one form, he just got an extra tail the angrier he got. This hasn't been used since the fight with Pain, as it was completely replaced by his nine tails form, which is basically the same form but perfected.

That was pain trying to capture him by imprisoning the nine tail in a planet like prison, it wasn't a form at all.

These are all one form, it just changes slightly depending on what techniques he's using.

The exact same could be argued for Super Saiyan though couldnt it? If we take SS Grades, Kaiokens, UIs then we have to take every variation of forms fro mother animes, otherwise its an unfair comparison. And if the form doesnt get used again that doesn't mean it didnt exist prior to it. SSG still counted as a form before we saw it again in the ToP, and SS3 still counts as a form despite there being better forms.

Also, the planet was a prison, but he also gained a new form ,he turned into a flesh and blood fox with no skin. It was a form, it was visually different and of a higher power scale.

Or we could say Goku's only form is MUI, because SS forms dont count, they're just him perfecting the saiyan form depending on the technique he's using.

So i guess pick which one we use? 20 vs 10 or 2 vs 1?

[UpFromTheSkies]

Super Saiyan God should have lasted half the series. Blue should have come later.

Also it makes no sense for so many mortals to have power nearly equal to a God. While Beerus, the other Gods of Destruction and Angels will always be the most powerful....now Goku is coming across all these other mortals with power up to God level? What?

It's not new for Dragon Ball to have characters surpass Gods, remember Kami and Kaio-sama?

[Xeno Goku Black]

It didn’t feel like that many in Naruto and Bleach to me though I could be wrong it’s been awhile since I read or watched either

Naruto literally got a new form yesterday in the manga.

[Matches Malone]

So i guess pick which one we use? 20 vs 10 or 2 vs 1?

3 Vs. 6.

Naruto:
Demon fox blood forms.
Sage mode.
Nine tails mode.

Goku:
Ssj1 (I consider the grade forms and Ssj2 as part of this form, just as I consider Naruto's 9 blood forms as one).
Ssj3
SsjG
SsjB (I include the Kaioken and Evolution Blue as part of this form)
MUI (I consider Omen as part of his base)
Ssj4