Do you miss the Super anime?

[Mister_Popo]

Criticism is not the same as constant negativity

This wouldn't have happened if there was more to be positive about.

That’s not what I meant about constant negativity. I think the Super anime (and manga for that matter) have a lot of room for improvement and could be so much better than they are. I am all for constructive criticism. Also when someone honestly says they don’t like something and moves on that’s is one thing...

It’s just the fandom needed to constantly bring the Super anime down. And now people do it with the manga too but at least that’s only like once a month.

It was like being negative got attention so they would constantly post negative things over and over.

I agree with that.
It are always the same people that don't have anything or barely something good to say about a certain product.
Even when the anime improved considerably: the better written animated episodes were still broken down by the same crowd.

Same thing with the manga.
Simply because they have an idea about Toyotaros work, the man can't make a good chapter once in a while.
Even if you don't like the concept of something, even then, one should be able to address the positive sides when reviewing a work of art. At least as long if you want to give a 'fair' review or nuanced opinion.

That kind of behaviour, which occurs more than occasional, creates a negative general atmosphere within the community.

[Kakkaroto735]

I agree with that.
It are always the same people that don't have anything or barely something good to say about a certain product.
Even when the anime improved considerably: the better written animated episodes were still broken down by the same crowd.
Same thing with the manga.
Simply because they have an idea about Toyotaros work, the man can't make a good chapter once in a while.
Even if you don't like the concept of something, even then, one should be able to address the positive sides when reviewing a work of art. At least as long if you want to give a 'fair' review or nuanced opinion.
That kind of behaviour, which occurs more than occasional, creates a negative general atmosphere within the community.

I think a good way to keep Dragon Ball fresh and trendy with the kids is to just go with a new protagonist. Pull a Boruto and make Goten and Trunks the mains or something. They could easily focus a story in the past with Roshi or anything else. Dragon Ball is the most flexible series ever and the fact that nobody is doing anything with the story potential is just sad. Overall though, Goku and Vegeta is getting stale and we need a change. Goku has had his arc, Vegeta has had his arc, Gohan fucked up his arc but its too late to hit the retry button, Future Trunks is drinking tea somewhere with his alternate self, Tien has had his arc, Piccolo had his arc, Krillin had an amazing arc, etc.
Shonen loves kid protags so they could easily just have a B plot anime with some earthling kids who learn martial arts and swim to Roshi for training and that somehow intersects with the Z fighters. They can go any direction but its fucking nuts that they choose none of them. They had such easy segue into arcs that they never chose. Remember when hit literally killed Goku only for him to come back alive an episode later? We could have had Goku actually die and there's so many ways you can go with that plot. My point is, Super takes it safe, too safe.

[Mac]

Very much. I loved having it to look forward to every week.

[Matches Malone]

I think a good way to keep Dragon Ball fresh and trendy with the kids is to just go with a new protagonist. Pull a Boruto and make Goten and Trunks the mains or something.

I've been saying this forever. BOG should've been Goku and Vegeta's final major story, everything after should've been set after EOZ with Goku and the others training the next gen of fighters.

[Kakkaroto735]

I think a good way to keep Dragon Ball fresh and trendy with the kids is to just go with a new protagonist. Pull a Boruto and make Goten and Trunks the mains or something.

I've been saying this forever. BOG should've been Goku and Vegeta's final major story, everything after should've been set after EOZ with Goku and the others training the next gen of fighters.

It's called shonen jump for a reason. It's kinda weird having two grown ass men as the protags of a kids manga when you have two new characters that are literally just waiting for development.

[Mister_Popo]

My point is, Super takes it safe, too safe.

I can agree with that.

[precita]

Sadly I don't think Trunks/Goten will ever fight again till we move to EOZ. By then they'll be adults and they should get focus, along with Pan and Uub, if it ever happens.

But yeah, with Goku mastering UI and Vegeta being the usual, it's REALLY time to move on. At this point it's even absurd to think any character outside of Gods could be stronger than Goku at this point, he's really reaching the climax of what you should be doing with a mortal in terms of power. Having another villain pop out of nowhere to be stronger now, and they're already pushing it with Moro, is getting too hard to swallow. They can't even use the "sealed away for millions of years" thing anymore either because it's been re-used so much since Boo too.

[Matches Malone]

At this point it's even absurd to think any character outside of Gods could be stronger than Goku, he's really reaching the climax of what you should be doing with a mortal in terms of power.

Things got absurd the minute they decided to give us something stronger than a Ssj God. At this point it's just laughable.

[LightBing]

No.

It was becoming increasingly frustrating to watch as it threw internal logic out the window every week. Remember the character who was zapped out of energy last episode? Well, he's fine now without explanation!

It all become a whim from writers(or whoever); while Dragon Ball is never to be taken all that serious and suffered from some plot holes and inconsistencies, it always had structure.

[precita]

It was becoming increasingly frustrating to watch as it threw internal logic out the window every week. Remember the character who was zapped out of energy last episode? Well, he's fine now without explanation!

To be fair that happened in DBZ too. Albeit not nearly as much, but after the main characters were down they suddenly got back up and were able to fire huge energy blasts again.

In Super in the TOP, they show Goku/Vegeta purposely conserving their power till the final matches, hence why they didn't use Blue much at all aside for a few instances and stayed either in base or Super Saiyan. Goku did rest a bit after the Kefla fight, even if it doesn't make sense how he can stand up to Jiren after that but it is what it is.

[Matches Malone]

It's called shonen jump for a reason. It's kinda weird having two grown ass men as the protags of a kids manga when you have two new characters that are literally just waiting for development.

The issue isn't their age, but their position within the story. Goku and Vegeta have more or less completed their respective arcs in the original run, there's simply nothing left for this long of a revival.

[Kinokima]

It's called shonen jump for a reason. It's kinda weird having two grown ass men as the protags of a kids manga when you have two new characters that are literally just waiting for development.

The issue isn't their age, but their position within the story. Goku and Vegeta have more or less completed their respective arcs in the original run, there's simply nothing left for this long of a revival.

There are always new places you can take characters, Dragon Ball just doesn’t want to

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

I don't miss the ever-present backlash and hate it got; I never like seeing a community writhe in what seems like physical disgust at a piece of entertainment that isn't anywhere near as offensive as they make it out to be.

But I do miss the feeling of waiting in anticipation for the next episode of a series that returned from a long slumber. It was fun to see how things would play out, what ideas would get thrown around, and the little tidbits of development and character interaction.

The anime may have been a platform for people to latch onto pessimism that persists even now, but it was also a vehicle for immense hype and community interaction as evidenced by the influence it had in Latino corners of the world that even reached the follow-up movie's musical production.

[Kakkaroto735]

It's called shonen jump for a reason. It's kinda weird having two grown ass men as the protags of a kids manga when you have two new characters that are literally just waiting for development.

The issue isn't their age, but their position within the story. Goku and Vegeta have more or less completed their respective arcs in the original run, there's simply nothing left for this long of a revival.

There are always new places you can take characters, Dragon Ball just doesn’t want to

With Goku there is but every arc needs a payoff and Goku has had two character arcs already.

[Matches Malone]

There are always new places you can take characters, Dragon Ball just doesn’t want to

Is there enough to hold an ongoing story with 10+ arcs ?

[Alruneia]

No, not the anime itself. It was filled with problems from start to finish and was overall not that great. What I do miss, however, is how active and vibrant the fandom was while it aired. Everyone was talking about Super, people were making theories and predictions everywhere... It was tons of fun (and a little frustrating as well) to be part of the fandom back then, and I mainly only want the anime to return because I believe it can be like that again. If the manga was weekly rather than monthly, maybe the fandom would still be like that. This isn't about the manga, though.

[precita]

So had Super continued after the TOP, does anyone think we would have gotten a year of fillers/slice of life episodes? Broly would have still been a movie, and the whole concept of a Moro arc wouldn't have even been written yet at the time (remember this is back in March 2018, the manga was still adapting the TOP).

Would you have taken a year of fillers/slice of life eps just to keep Super going till the next story arc? I honestly wonder what they would have done. I could have seen Goku/Vegeta visit Planet Saldala and more Caulifa/Kale focus, and I think the rest of the cast might have visited the other universes to see what they saved from being erased. There's a lot of world building they could have done if the cast used Whis' cube thing to actually travel to Universe 2, 3, 9, 10, etc...and they could have done mini-story arcs there featuring the fighters from those universes again under different conditions.

I would have liked to see the main cast team up with the Pride Troopers against evil in their universe for example, the human cast could have visited Universe 2 to see the love stuff, etc.

[sangofe]

Dragonball Super ended in March 2018, so it's going to be nearly 3 years since it ended by early next year. While we had the Broly movie and the manga with Moro inbetween that, I do have to admit I kinda miss the Super anime in this time. Originally I thought I wouldn't, but now that Dragonball has been "revived" so to speak, I'd like to see more.

It was a surreal experience actually watching "new" Dragonball episodes week after week when most of us never thought a new series would ever happen. By the time most of us got into the Dragonball franchise, the anime of DBZ and GT had already ended in Japan in 1996/1997, so there was essentially no new material. I remember in the early 2000's when DBZ was big in the west, everyone would constantly say on forums, "GT bombed and Toriyama doesn't want to do any more manga, there will NEVER be a new series" and it was true for over two decades. Believing there would be a brand new Dragonball anime would sound absolute crazy and unbelieveable. Besides the 2008 special, there wasn't much new to even watch.

Now that Super has been gone for almost 3 years, do you miss it?

Yes. I think about it almost every week.

[BWri]

Half the fun of Dragon Ball for me is in the fighting choreography and how the skill sets, racial abilities, and escalating powers of the characters affects that. I've always loved how the animation fleshes out the manga's choreography and adds unique sequences. And Super managed to create some of the best choreographed moments in the ENTIRE series even without the manga to follow. Kudos to the anime team! To that end, yes I miss the anime. I also tended to enjoy the slice of life episodes more until we got episodes with better fight choreography and animation later in the series.

The only thing I dislike about the filler is how all the brilliant character development inevitably goes nowhere. If only they worked more closely with Toriyama-san with some of these ideas.

As far as Toei's execution and writing are concerned, no. But I think if the anime had more cohesive, solidly bound material to adapt from beyond a few vague outlines that an entire team of scriptwriters were forced to interpret, I wouldn't mind seeing it return.

I sympathize. Since the start of Super, I've wanted this and for Studio Madhouse to somehow get its hands on DB. Now that Toei has shown us it can provide almost consistent high-level animation, we just need the writing to be more consistent.

[DBPirate]

I just got into Dragon Ball earlier this year so I never got to see Super as it was airing. I really, really would love for it to return as it quickly became one of my favorite series. The Heroes fanfic can't replace it.