Funimation's 30th anniversary collectible home video release

[Kingbrockstar1995]

just in case nobody even mentioned or used a ps4, my ps4 shows the dbz 30th year logo is on the new steelbooks

[TheGreatness25]

just in case nobody even mentioned or used a ps4, my ps4 shows the dbz 30th year logo is on the new steelbooks

Lmaoooooo! They're so lazy... Then again, that is what it is.

[Scsigs]

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I think the packaging is better than the puny paper box, even though I'm not a fan of steelbooks.

My only gripe is that it was advertised as a limited release. Only a few thousand in the world!!! I guess Funimation thought that the fans who bought it cared about that shitty paper packaging, because they apparently weren't talking about the actual video when they were promoting these things.

It's like if I come out with a weird cherry and watermelon lollipop and sell it for $60 each telling everyone that there are only 500 of them. Then, after I take in the money, I use a different wrapper and continue selling it. Yep, turns out the wrapper was limited edition; hope you really like that wrapper.

Yep, that's FUNi for you. Make promises, then don't keep them. Also, it was 6,000 copies here inn the US, then, what, close to 1,000 more in the UK? I won't lie, I'm not surprised that they did this with repackaging the discs, or using the same programming data with the shitty 2019 remaster on the discs. My biggest gripe is that they won't put the 214 season BRs out of print & won't put the orange bricks out of print, as they use genuinely worse masters than either BR & they should've been replaced with better DVDs long ago.

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It's just dog shit advertising. And people put up with their shit for Dragon Ball. Just so Funimation is aware, people keep buying their pathetic excuse of a product to support Dragon Ball, not because we're all stupid and blindly believe their continual lies that they call "advertizing."

Stupid asshole company, I swear. Can't say "company" -- I think they're good with literally everything else besides Dragon Ball. I've had enough of their garbage, honestly.

Yeah, it's genuinely some stupid bullshit, but, given FUNi have a weird disrespect for DBZ & its fans, I don't know what to say.

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And I'm not saying that I don't want others to experience the joys of this release () because "Ha-ha, I've got mine!" It's not about that. If they said, "Hey, here's our new release! Get it at your local Whatever-the-hell!" I'd be fine. But they made those while big deal with crowdfunding and everything under the guise of, "Order these because that's all we're making!" So, basically, they collected our money last year to fund their new Blu-ray master and re-released it (probably for cheaper) with 10x better packaging. Good shit, Funimation. Good shit. I'm glad that 6,000 (was it?) people funded your shitty half-assed project so you could make even more money down the pike. Oh, but what am I complaining about? I got a book of recycled artwork, a Goku figure that I just have standing around collecting dust, and -- ahhh! -- a certificate of authenticity proving that I'm an idiot. Oh my God, a certificate of authenticity for a product that will be mass produced. Bravo.

Well, 3,000 people put a pledge down to buy the sets, then they made 3,0000 more for people that didn't do that, but still wanted the new set. Yeah, this is, seemingly, what FUNi does with DBZ, the show that put them on the map as a dubbing company. They give it shitty remasters for at least 13 years after giving it an awful dub that they didn't go back to correct any of the worse mistranslations or continuity errors in the dub, just have the actors rerecord dialogue to give better performances, or record their stuff on better tech, or with different actors, or rerecord stuff for consistency. Nothing ore, nothing less.

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Again, it only really bugs me because once again, they've lied. They lie and lie and lie. And they think that people are so stupid and actually fall for their lies, but that's not the case. Everyone knew this was a less-than-ideal release; nobody bought their bullshit advertising. People just really love the product that they happened to bastardize.

I would have a shred of respect for them if they just came out and said, "Yeah, we want to release another DBZ set to make some money, but don't want to fund it, so please give us money and we'll put it through the auto-corrector thingy but won't crop it this time. And that way, we'll have something to put on shelves next year once you've paid for this new cheap-ass remaster." I'd have immensely more respect for them than I do now.

I agree. This shit is genuinely fucking stupid. Not much can be done, unfortunately, though.

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P-freaking-S: If this set has new extra features (which I doubt just because Funimation's lack of giving a shit is oozing out of every little corner) I'm going to really flip. Because that would really show that they have absolutely no loyalty to the people that made all of this possible. Because the "OMG limited edition packaging 30th anniversary Blu-ray set!" had zero new extra features. I mean, maybe for these, they could discuss about how stupid everyone was who bought their silly-ass lies last year to allow this thing to hit store shelves -- I'd be cool with that.

I doubt it will. It's most likely just a repackaging of the discs with the same exact contents.

Oh, so I realize that my "tone" for this post comes off really angry and salty, but it's not really like that. It's more of a head-shaking observation. It's hard to convey tone online. It's not that I'm so mad and up-in-arms, but it is like, "Really?"

be salty, that's fine. You have a right to be, since this shit is just bad on their parts.

[ArmenianPepsi]

It would be great if Dragon Ball got a Blu-ray release... but should Funimation do it? I think I'd rather they not -- I don't want to give them any more money, but my collector nature is too strong. I just love comparing the different releases -- might be a stupid reason to keep dropping money, but at least I'm honest lol

If you enjoy it why not. I thought about getting the rest of steelbooks but it's a waste for me. I mean if it's wore than the 30th I'd pass. If (is it france) release using their film is good and region a friendly Id buy that.

We don't know any details about France's (AB's) upcoming release at this point except it's getting released remastered in HD. That sadly doesn't rule out the possibility of an upscale.

I've heard that AB doesn't even have film prints of the episodes anymore, so the best they could do is a high quality rip of their digibeta tapes they would use for mastering. Just a rumor though so take it as you will.

[eledoremassis02]

If you enjoy it why not. I thought about getting the rest of steelbooks but it's a waste for me. I mean if it's wore than the 30th I'd pass. If (is it france) release using their film is good and region a friendly Id buy that.

We don't know any details about France's (AB's) upcoming release at this point except it's getting released remastered in HD. That sadly doesn't rule out the possibility of an upscale.

I've heard that AB doesn't even have film prints of the episodes anymore, so the best they could do is a high quality rip of their digibeta tapes they would use for mastering. Just a rumor though so take it as you will.

I hope that's not true I was looking forward to see what they'd do

[darkknightkryta]

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compa ... n/KDK7PNNX

30th


Steelbook


Colour Saturation is different. It's a lot better now. There's less of a smeared look. Does it still have that bad sharpening filter? Yes. Does it look better? In my opinion it is.

[eledoremassis02]

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http://www.framecompare.com/image-compa ... n/KDK7PNNX

30th


Steelbook


Colour Saturation is different. It's a lot better now. There's less of a smeared look. Does it still have that bad sharpening filter? Yes. Does it look better? In my opinion it is.

There seems to be a lot of compression on your 30th cap. This is from my set

Edit: just realized it's not the same frame..but it shows the grain and color
Edit2: Level v 30th: http://www.framecompare.com/image-compa ... n/KDKKLNNX

[Scsigs]

I legit have a serious question that I don't believe anyone can answer. Why does FUNi keep thinking they can make this show look "modern"? It's a show from the 80s & 90s. It is paced really slowly. With the Japanese score & sound effects, it sounds OLD! It can never feel "modern." Kai's the "modern" version of Z. Just leave it to feel its age. People know what they're getting, so stop trying to lie to them.

[Matches Malone]

Why does FUNi keep thinking they can make this show look "modern"? It's a show from the 80s & 90s. People know what they're getting, so stop trying to lie to them.

Because that's what Funimation/Toonami's fan base from the early 2000s believe. Unfortunately, that group of people Funi are constantly catering to has a very messed up image of what DB actually is.

[eledoremassis02]

I legit have a serious question that I don't believe anyone can answer. Why does FUNi keep thinking they can make this show look "modern"? It's a show from the 80s & 90s. It is paced really slowly. With the Japanese score & sound effects, it sounds OLD! It can never feel "modern." Kai's the "modern" version of Z. Just leave it to feel its age. People know what they're getting, so stop trying to lie to them.

I'm not sure, but I know Disney is guilty of this as well, Batman TAS to a lesser extent. Kai is funny because its the one time where the cropping doesnt bother me for just that reason you posted lol

[Matches Malone]

Kai is funny because its the one time where the cropping doesnt bother me for just that reason you posted lol.

That's probably because Toei was careful with where they cropped the image, as they did it on a frame by frame basis. Funimation on the other hand just cut off the top and bottom parts equally regardless of it working or not.

[eledoremassis02]

Kai is funny because its the one time where the cropping doesnt bother me for just that reason you posted lol.

That's probably because Toei were careful with were they cropped the image, as they did it on a frame by frame basis. Funimation on the other hand just cut off the top and bottom parts equally regardless of it working or not.

I think kai would be alright as a replacement (even 4:3) if those redrawn scenes weren't so jarring.

[SuperSaiyaManZ94]

Kai is funny because its the one time where the cropping doesnt bother me for just that reason you posted lol.

That's probably because Toei was careful with where they cropped the image, as they did it on a frame by frame basis. Funimation on the other hand just cut off the top and bottom parts equally regardless of it working or not.

Yes, and in Kai's case (more 1.0 than TFC) they put thought and consideration on how to make a 4:3 to 16:9 conversion work and actually look decent. That is unlike the video people at FUNi with the Orange Bricks just a couple years prior who merely did a dead center crop of 20%-25% all the way and not really thinking about how much of the overall footage on the top and bottom within the vertical frame would be lost by doing so despite wanting to evoke a so called "more cinematic viewing experience" in their words.

[Scsigs]

I legit have a serious question that I don't believe anyone can answer. Why does FUNi keep thinking they can make this show look "modern"? It's a show from the 80s & 90s. It is paced really slowly. With the Japanese score & sound effects, it sounds OLD! It can never feel "modern." Kai's the "modern" version of Z. Just leave it to feel its age. People know what they're getting, so stop trying to lie to them.

I'm not sure, but I know Disney is guilty of this as well, Batman TAS to a lesser extent. Kai is funny because its the one time where the cropping doesnt bother me for just that reason you posted lol

You mean with Batman TAS' HD remaster? I figured that remaster was really good.

I think kai would be alright as a replacement (even 4:3) if those redrawn scenes weren't so jarring.

See, I can get over the redraws in Kai, considering they're not on screen for too long & the rest of the footage is a nice HD restoration of Z, though TFC should be in 4:3 & not be green-skewed like the first 98 episodes for consistency's sake, as well as cut out the more egregious filler that causes continuity errors not only with the manga, but also earlier in Kai.

Yes, and in Kai's case (more 1.0 than TFC) they put thought and consideration on how to make a 4:3 to 16:9 conversion work and actually look decent. That is unlike the video people at FUNi with the Orange Bricks just a couple years prior who merely did a dead center crop of 20%-25% all the way and not really thinking about how much of the overall footage on the top and bottom within the vertical frame would be lost by doing so despite wanting to evoke a so called "more cinematic viewing experience" in their words.

Yeah, I genuinely don't think they thought through the cropping. Like the rest of the 2007 "remaster," it was cheap, quick, & everything else in those sets' masters.

Ok, so I've watched the first episode & change from the first set & here's a quick thought on it.
The "remaster" is genuinely awful. Like, if you've only seen stills, it's even worse in motion. As someone whose main experience watching the show is Kai, which is a GOOD remaster, there's an obvious loss in quality & the show just doesn't look right. It looks weird. I think even someone who doesn't know what they did to it could tell that. The watercolor look genuinely detracts from the viewing experience. In their efforts to make DBZ look like it was animated digitally, they've really damaged the look of the show. Why smear to remove grain, then sharpen the image? It doesn't look good & it destroys what the animators' hard work. I genuinely have NO idea how Toei is ok with these sets & I wonder if any of the animators whoo still work at Toei have ever seen clips on YouTube & been angry at Toei for clearing it to be sold. Someone at FUNi needs to be fired, or shifted to a different position because this is unacceptable. It's worse than the Sailor Moon remaster, imo.

[eledoremassis02]

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I legit have a serious question that I don't believe anyone can answer. Why does FUNi keep thinking they can make this show look "modern"? It's a show from the 80s & 90s. It is paced really slowly. With the Japanese score & sound effects, it sounds OLD! It can never feel "modern." Kai's the "modern" version of Z. Just leave it to feel its age. People know what they're getting, so stop trying to lie to them.

I'm not sure, but I know Disney is guilty of this as well, Batman TAS to a lesser extent. Kai is funny because its the one time where the cropping doesnt bother me for just that reason you posted lol

You mean with Batman TAS' HD remaster? I figured that remaster was really good.

I think kai would be alright as a replacement (even 4:3) if those redrawn scenes weren't so jarring.

See, I can get over the redraws in Kai, considering they're not on screen for too long & the rest of the footage is a nice HD restoration of Z, though TFC should be in 4:3 & not be green-skewed like the first 98 episodes for consistency's sake, as well as cut out the more egregious filler that causes continuity errors not only with the manga, but also earlier in Kai.

Yes, and in Kai's case (more 1.0 than TFC) they put thought and consideration on how to make a 4:3 to 16:9 conversion work and actually look decent. That is unlike the video people at FUNi with the Orange Bricks just a couple years prior who merely did a dead center crop of 20%-25% all the way and not really thinking about how much of the overall footage on the top and bottom within the vertical frame would be lost by doing so despite wanting to evoke a so called "more cinematic viewing experience" in their words.

Yeah, I genuinely don't think they thought through the cropping. Like the rest of the 2007 "remaster," it was cheap, quick, & everything else in those sets' masters.

Ok, so I've watched the first episode & change from the first set & here's a quick thought on it.
The "remaster" is genuinely awful. Like, if you've only seen stills, it's even worse in motion. As someone whose main experience watching the show is Kai, which is a GOOD remaster, there's an obvious loss in quality & the show just doesn't look right. It looks weird. I think even someone who doesn't know what they did to it could tell that. The watercolor look genuinely detracts from the viewing experience. In their efforts to make DBZ look like it was animated digitally, they've really damaged the look of the show. Why smear to remove grain, then sharpen the image? It doesn't look good & it destroys what the animators' hard work. I genuinely have NO idea how Toei is ok with these sets & I wonder if any of the animators whoo still work at Toei have ever seen clips on YouTube & been angry at Toei for clearing it to be sold. Someone at FUNi needs to be fired, or shifted to a different position because this is unacceptable. It's worse than the Sailor Moon remaster, imo.

It's not bad, it just doesn't look like film (DNR) tho I think they used 35mm (could be wrong) and they obviously have a better source to work with.

Kai its way too soft for me, Akira (also done by Q-tec) is the same way

[Scsigs]

It's not bad, it just doesn't look like film (DNR) tho I think they used 35mm (could be wrong) and they obviously have a better source to work with.

Kai its way too soft for me, Akira (also done by Q-tec) is the same way

I'm fine with a slightly soft image as long as there's not a lot of quality loss, which Kai doesn't have much of.

[LettuceJUMP]

Ok, so I've watched the first episode & change from the first set & here's a quick thought on it.
The "remaster" is genuinely awful. Like, if you've only seen stills, it's even worse in motion. As someone whose main experience watching the show is Kai, which is a GOOD remaster, there's an obvious loss in quality & the show just doesn't look right. It looks weird. I think even someone who doesn't know what they did to it could tell that. The watercolor look genuinely detracts from the viewing experience. In their efforts to make DBZ look like it was animated digitally, they've really damaged the look of the show. Why smear to remove grain, then sharpen the image? It doesn't look good & it destroys what the animators' hard work. I genuinely have NO idea how Toei is ok with these sets & I wonder if any of the animators whoo still work at Toei have ever seen clips on YouTube & been angry at Toei for clearing it to be sold. Someone at FUNi needs to be fired, or shifted to a different position because this is unacceptable. It's worse than the Sailor Moon remaster, imo.

I do feel like the first episode is not the best representation of the whole set. For some reason they have cropped and done more “fixing” probably because of the scans they have. It does get better and is significantly more color accurate and less saturated than the orange bricks and season blu-rays. Improvement is improvement no matter how small.

[Lightningexpose]

I legit have a serious question that I don't believe anyone can answer. Why does FUNi keep thinking they can make this show look "modern"? It's a show from the 80s & 90s. It is paced really slowly. With the Japanese score & sound effects, it sounds OLD! It can never feel "modern." Kai's the "modern" version of Z. Just leave it to feel its age. People know what they're getting, so stop trying to lie to them.

This kind of argument is so flawed...

People who always say stuff like "it's old so it should look old"... Like, there was a time when it wasn't old and you should really critically think to yourself how it might have looked.

Most people's idea of an old thing looking "old" is the way they've seen this "old" thing after it's suffered from degradation.

Here's a good example to look at:

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The left is a DVD from when the movie was made, the right is a (4K?) Blu-ray remaster from degraded film material years or over a decade later. Tell me, and be honest, which one looks more "modern" to you (colourwise)? Someone who only watches 2000s movies from these kinds of later presentations will begin to think 2000s movies always looked the way as Spider-Man does on the right shot and therefore 2000s movies should never be made to look more "modern"...lol

This forum also has always made a severe miscalculation on what DB Kai colours are. Constantly labeling the colours as "modernised dbz"...like, no lol... Here are just a few shots from DBZ movie laserdsics (from as early as 1991) and as you see the colours are far more akin to Kai than they are to DBox, 2018 remasters, or god forbid Funimation's releases of the movies:

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I know your statement is over Funimation "modernising DBZ", but you've labelled Kai as the modernisation that Funimation should not try to be, and I'm showing you that Kai isn't even visually the modernisation that you think it is let alone Funimation's versions. I would say Kai's colours are instead a very good "restoration" since so many old remaining showcases of original masters look similar enough to Kai underneath the flaws of the particular medium they're on.

Funimation boosting contrast, saturation and sharpness isn't modernising...it's literally the most amateur 90s and early 2000s thing to do lmao.

[Scsigs]

I legit have a serious question that I don't believe anyone can answer. Why does FUNi keep thinking they can make this show look "modern"? It's a show from the 80s & 90s. It is paced really slowly. With the Japanese score & sound effects, it sounds OLD! It can never feel "modern." Kai's the "modern" version of Z. Just leave it to feel its age. People know what they're getting, so stop trying to lie to them.

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This kind of argument is so flawed...

People who always say stuff like "it's old so it should look old"... Like, there was a time when it wasn't old and you should really critically think to yourself how it might have looked.

Most people's idea of an old thing looking "old" is the way they've seen this "old" thing after it's suffered from degradation.

Here's a good example to look at:

Spoiler:

The left is a DVD from when the movie was made, the right is a (4K?) Blu-ray remaster from degraded film material years or over a decade later. Tell me, and be honest, which one looks more "modern" to you (colourwise)? Someone who only watches 2000s movies from these kinds of later presentations will begin to think 2000s movies always looked the way as Spider-Man does on the right shot and therefore 2000s movies should never be made to look more "modern"...lol

This forum also has always made a severe miscalculation on what DB Kai colours are. Constantly labeling the colours as "modernised dbz"...like, no lol... Here are just a few shots from DBZ movie laserdsics (from as early as 1991) and as you see the colours are far more akin to Kai than they are to DBox, 2018 remasters, or god forbid Funimation's releases of the movies:

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I know your statement is over Funimation "modernising DBZ", but you've labelled Kai as the modernisation that Funimation should not try to be, and I'm showing you that Kai isn't even visually the modernisation that you think it is let alone Funimation's versions. I would say Kai's colours are instead a very good "restoration" since so many old remaining showcases of original masters look similar enough to Kai underneath the flaws of the particular medium they're on.

Funimation boosting contrast, saturation and sharpness isn't modernising...it's literally the most amateur 90s and early 2000s thing to do lmao.

I can tell just from reading the first sentence that you completely misunderstood my argument. I'm not saying that because it's old, it should look old. I'm saying, it's an old show & should be respected as one by giving it a good restoration. People know DB started in the 80s & originally ended in the 90s, so they'd be forgiving if it looked like things its age, even when restored into HD. With the correct kinds of colors, aspect ratios, & all that good stuff. Grain is also something that should be left in. Not a ton of it, especially if they can successfully tone it down without smearing the frames all to fuck, but at least SOME because it preserves the film look it's stuck with. FUNi's attempts try to make it look like it was digitally animated rather than physically, which really doesn't work at all. Like, I have a majorly hard time believing the majority of DBZ fans who don't like grain can't suck it up, or the ones that don't get that a 4:3 show shouldn't be cropped or stretched to widescreen can't get over the fact that DBZ wasn't created in widescreen. THAT is my point. When we have wonderful restorations like Star Trek TOS & TNG, X-Files, & so many other shows from the same era, Z just sticks out as being horribly mismanaged by FUNi in this regard.

[Tylerman29]

Sooo the steels aren't a 1:1 copy? If the colors are that improved throughout all the sets I might consider picking these up.