Unpopular DB opinions

[ABED]

If they really needed someone smarter, then they could write the nerdy guy in as well. But it's not too necessary. Just have Erasa intern with Bulma or something. Likewise Sharpner could shadow Mr. Satan and become his protégé.

It's not necessarily about stakes or drama. What were the stakes when Gohan and Videl went into action in Movie 13? No one expects them to save the day as Saiyaman, and yet there they were. Well Sharpner and Erasa could easily have been there too.

I don't know what it is exactly that makes Sharpner and Erasa click, but I never saw them as boring. Untapped potential, perhaps, but not boring. They are a part of Gohan's world that was created for his arc, so naturally they carry with them possibilities.

Gohan is one of the main characters and Videl is his wife at that time or at least his girlfriend. If there's nothing at stake, what's the point?

If Sharpner and Erasa are there, they would just be there for the sake of being there. They contribute NOTHING.

They didn't click and they don't have untapped potential. You just created scenarios in your head for them that you found interesting but not only are they not Dragon Ball at all, they could be made more interesting by giving their moments to other underutilized characters.

They're just background characters. They're there to fill out Gohan's high school world and nothing more. Once the story moved on from that, they have no use. That arc was over so the possibilities are over. Toriyama wrung all the story he could out of it.

Why THEM, why are you so fixed on THEM instead of other underutilized characters? You make it sound like the Great Saiyaman storyline wasn't sufficiently explored. Say they are the "guy in the chair", how could they possibly help against Buu?

[Soppa Saia People]

abed seriously, you got to chill, there's a difference between discussing opinions and outright being like No You're Wrong For Thinking This, How Could You Possibly Think This, WHY Would You Think This.

[ABED]

Outright saying they're wrong is explicitly saying they're wrong, and screw it, I'll double down. They're wrong. Like whatever you want, including a character as insignificant as Sharpner, but at the very least, understand what DB is at its core.

[LoganForkHands73]

As much as I disapprove of the attitude, I get where Abed's coming from with this. I don't mind a bit of harmless fanficking but I don't quite understand the fascination with Erasa and Sharpner of all characters. I don't think it was ever promised to us that they would become significant characters, enough to join Gohan's "Saiyaman" team (a concept that only Movie 13 really defined) especially since they have no defined skills with which to contribute. In the manga, Gohan was always the sole superhero, Videl was his badass love interest and the other students were his short-lived supporting cast. Sure, you could say that they could be "the guys in the chair", but why is that necessary? To me, the whole appeal of Gohan's superhero stint is that he's totally disorganised and doesn't know what the hell he's doing half the time. Giving him a team would make it feel too "official".

[ABED]

Sorry if it came off as rude. In any event, The Great Saiyaman story felt like Toriyama wasn't sure what to do after Cell and Gohan being his main character. He had let the story become more serious over the years and feeling it was soon going to end, he probably wanted to take DB back to where he felt the most at home, a story played for laughs. I don't think the Great Saiyaman was set up for anything more that what it was - a story played for laughs. I don't think it's set up for anything more than that. Keeping the Great Saiyaman doesn't feel like a story that can sustain, much less sustain Dragon Ball. There's no story. At least with Videl, there was the story of when she would find out Gohan's secret and the will/they won't they of it all.

[Mad Swami]

The Great Saiyaman wasn't set up for them. That implies a payoff and there was no set up just like there is no good payoff for nothing character. Why them of all characters have you zeroed in on? When Piccolo broke Sharpener's camera, that was the payoff. That is the end of his road. All possibilities have been exhausted.

And you bring up the comedy like there wasn't already enough of that in those early Buu arc episodes. How much longer could the schtick go on? It's already painfully drawn out in DBZ.

I don't know if this is directed to what I said or the other guy, but to further my point... I don't think those side characters were set up for anything major. Also yeah sure there was a lot of comedy that's why I could totally see that sort of montage smoothly fitting in. Again not that the arc needs or that I want it. I don't know how the Great Saiyaman was painfully drawn out. It was like two chapters of nothing really. His cover is blown immediately which is classic Toriyama shaking up a trope we would think we know so well.

[ABED]

I've read the manga once so my biggest exposure to that story is through DBZ. Even in the manga, I was never a big fan of the story, and think the shorter the better. It's an amusing schtick for the length of a good SNL sketch and that's it.

[Mad Swami]

I've read the manga once so my biggest exposure to that story is through DBZ. Even in the manga, I was never a big fan of the story, and think the shorter the better. It's an amusing schtick for the length of a good SNL sketch and that's it.

Sure that's fair. I think that's reasonable. Just saying

[TheGodfather93]

My unpopular opinion is that I don't like Goku. Not just Super Goku, but Z Goku too.

I liked him a lot as a kid, and when he fought Raditz to save Gohan, but from the Vegeta fight onwards, where he began embracing more of his Saiyan tendencies, I started liking him less and less. I think he's a horrible father and husband, and I don't like how much of a selfish battle junkie he is.

I will admit that he makes for a pretty unique shounen protagonist, but the traits that make him unique also make me dislike him.

[ABED]

My unpopular opinion is that I don't like Goku. Not just Super Goku, but Z Goku too.

I liked him a lot as a kid, and when he fought Raditz to save Gohan, but from the Vegeta fight onwards, where he began embracing more of his Saiyan tendencies, I started liking him less and less. I think he's a horrible father and husband, and I don't like how much of a selfish battle junkie he is.

I will admit that he makes for a pretty unique shounen protagonist, but the traits that make him unique also make me dislike him.

He was always that, it just becomes more obvious the higher the stakes are. It's not sudden. He let Piccolo go for the same reason he let Vegeta go, he wanted to fight them again.

[Cure Dragon 255]

He never said it was sudden. Just that it was unappealing.

[ABED]

He never said it was sudden. Just that it was unappealing.

I didn't say or imply that he thought it was sudden. But it was ALWAYS there. He said he started to find him unappealing as if Goku's behavior is what changed. He could think it was a gradual change and it still wouldn't change the fundamental fact of Goku's character being a battle junkie at his core from the start. He's not a superhero, never has been, never will be.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

Gohan was my favourite character as a kid, as an adult it's Goku. He's simply the embodiment of all the whimsy and charm in Dragon Ball.

I think he's a horrible father and husband, and I don't like how much of a selfish battle junkie he is

I'd argue he's a worse husband than a father. I've been rewatching the Saiyan arc recently and Gohan's longing for Goku and fond memories of their time together was plain as day. You really get the feeling Goku made his son feel respected and cared for. Goten doesn't show any signs of feeling neglected either, quite the contrary. That said, Goku does lack in real world social cues like understanding the need to work, pay bills, etc.

[TheGodfather93]

My unpopular opinion is that I don't like Goku. Not just Super Goku, but Z Goku too.

I liked him a lot as a kid, and when he fought Raditz to save Gohan, but from the Vegeta fight onwards, where he began embracing more of his Saiyan tendencies, I started liking him less and less. I think he's a horrible father and husband, and I don't like how much of a selfish battle junkie he is.

I will admit that he makes for a pretty unique shounen protagonist, but the traits that make him unique also make me dislike him.

He was always that, it just becomes more obvious the higher the stakes are. It's not sudden. He let Piccolo go for the same reason he let Vegeta go, he wanted to fight them again.

You're neglecting to mention the other major reason Goku spared Piccolo: it meant sparing both Kami and the Dragon Balls. That's a pretty significant detail, and makes his decision a lot more justifiable than just wanting a rematch.

Goku has always loved fighting, but as a kid he was a lot more honest, blunt and ruthless, and he always put his friends first. Whereas adult Goku chose to spare the genocidal alien responsible for killing Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Chaozu and Piccolo, and then later the genocidal space tyrant who killed his best friend; kid Goku actively sought to kill Tambourine and King Piccolo in order to avenge Krillin. Prior to that, he went on a murderous rampage through the Red Ribbon Army base just to find the Dragon Balls and wish Upa's father back to life.

Whatever selfishness and innate battle lust Goku had as a kid/teen was magnified significantly once it was revealed he was a Saiyan, and that's what ultimately turned me off from his character. Even then, I could somewhat excuse his behaviour all through Namek, because he was still trying to do the right thing, but this moment was simply irredeemable in my opinion.

I'm not saying Goku should be some cookie cutter Superman clone, nor would I want him to. Hell, I actually like the fact that he's so different from a typical action "hero". I'm just saying, I find his character from the Vegeta fight onwards increasingly unappealing.

[Limit-Breaking]

For me i never really cared for vegeta all that much, i use to as a kid, but honestly while he is entertaining at times i just don't find him all that endearing.

One issue i had with his character was, it always felt like he mainly caused more problems in the stories like the cell arc and buu arc and none of the characters really cared and just kind of ignored it or at least they complained about it one time and that was it.

It's pretty weird since i feel even fans of vegeta just kind of ignore the problems vegeta causes but they are willing reprimand other characters. Like I hear tons of praise for vegeta character but i rarely hear the complaints that he caused cell and buu when in fact he is the direct cause for shit going down hill twice.

Granted he did sacrifice himself to try and kill buu but at that point but i felt like he just messed up to many times already.

Like you would think after cell he wouldn't do it again after suffering the consequences but no he still did.

In the end i think he's an interesting character and definitely entertaining at times but i feel people just ignored the problems he would cause.

[MasenkoHA]

You can definitely argue 99 percent of the problems in the Z era are due to Vegeta’s hubris

Vegeta and Nappa going to earth which lead to the gang going to Namek and crossing paths with Freeza? Because Vegeta wanted eternal life


Cell becoming perfect? Because Vegeta allowed him

Boo being released? Because Vegeta sold his soul to Bobbidi

[coola]

My unpopular opinion is that I don't like Goku. Not just Super Goku, but Z Goku too.

I liked him a lot as a kid, and when he fought Raditz to save Gohan, but from the Vegeta fight onwards, where he began embracing more of his Saiyan tendencies, I started liking him less and less. I think he's a horrible father and husband, and I don't like how much of a selfish battle junkie he is.

I will admit that he makes for a pretty unique shounen protagonist, but the traits that make him unique also make me dislike him.

He was always that, it just becomes more obvious the higher the stakes are. It's not sudden. He let Piccolo go for the same reason he let Vegeta go, he wanted to fight them again.

You're neglecting to mention the other major reason Goku spared Piccolo: it meant sparing both Kami and the Dragon Balls. That's a pretty significant detail, and makes his decision a lot more justifiable than just wanting a rematch.

Goku has always loved fighting, but as a kid he was a lot more honest, blunt and ruthless, and he always put his friends first. Whereas adult Goku chose to spare the genocidal alien responsible for killing Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Chaozu and Piccolo, and then later the genocidal space tyrant who killed his best friend; kid Goku actively sought to kill Tambourine and King Piccolo in order to avenge Krillin. Prior to that, he went on a murderous rampage through the Red Ribbon Army base just to find the Dragon Balls and wish Upa's father back to life.

Whatever selfishness and innate battle lust Goku had as a kid/teen was magnified significantly once it was revealed he was a Saiyan, and that's what ultimately turned me off from his character. Even then, I could somewhat excuse his behaviour all through Namek, because he was still trying to do the right thing, but this moment was simply irredeemable in my opinion.

I'm not saying Goku should be some cookie cutter Superman clone, nor would I want him to. Hell, I actually like the fact that he's so different from a typical action "hero". I'm just saying, I find his character from the Vegeta fight onwards increasingly unappealing.

Same for me, interestingly, DBZ Movies often portrayed Goku like from old days.

[WittyUsername]

Goku’s selfishness and lust for battle does become more apparent after he’s revealed to be a Saiyan. That shouldn’t be up for debate.

[ABED]

My unpopular opinion is that I don't like Goku. Not just Super Goku, but Z Goku too.

I liked him a lot as a kid, and when he fought Raditz to save Gohan, but from the Vegeta fight onwards, where he began embracing more of his Saiyan tendencies, I started liking him less and less. I think he's a horrible father and husband, and I don't like how much of a selfish battle junkie he is.

I will admit that he makes for a pretty unique shounen protagonist, but the traits that make him unique also make me dislike him.

He was always that, it just becomes more obvious the higher the stakes are. It's not sudden. He let Piccolo go for the same reason he let Vegeta go, he wanted to fight them again.

You're neglecting to mention the other major reason Goku spared Piccolo: it meant sparing both Kami and the Dragon Balls. That's a pretty significant detail, and makes his decision a lot more justifiable than just wanting a rematch.

Goku has always loved fighting, but as a kid he was a lot more honest, blunt and ruthless, and he always put his friends first. Whereas adult Goku chose to spare the genocidal alien responsible for killing Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Chaozu and Piccolo, and then later the genocidal space tyrant who killed his best friend; kid Goku actively sought to kill Tambourine and King Piccolo in order to avenge Krillin. Prior to that, he went on a murderous rampage through the Red Ribbon Army base just to find the Dragon Balls and wish Upa's father back to life.

Whatever selfishness and innate battle lust Goku had as a kid/teen was magnified significantly once it was revealed he was a Saiyan, and that's what ultimately turned me off from his character. Even then, I could somewhat excuse his behaviour all through Namek, because he was still trying to do the right thing, but this moment was simply irredeemable in my opinion.

I'm not saying Goku should be some cookie cutter Superman clone, nor would I want him to. Hell, I actually like the fact that he's so different from a typical action "hero". I'm just saying, I find his character from the Vegeta fight onwards increasingly unappealing.

I don't think it's relevant because that wasn't his primary reason for letting Piccolo live just like it wasn't why he let Dr. Gero finish making the cyborgs. He gives lipservice to Gero having not done anything yet, but it wasn't the primary reason. Also, letting Kami live is partially just good sense since he's necessary for the DB's. Not exactly helpful to your point.

His love for battle was only magnified due to the stakes. He doesn't change despite your claims to the contrary. Goku is willing to show leniency to those that ask, and if he's in control of the situation or the enemy is incapacitated, he's willing to end the fight. He didn't go after the RRA out of revenge. He went after them to get the DB. He was more than willing to let anyone live, including Black, if the didn't attack him.

What's wrong with his love for battle?

That shouldn’t be up for debate

Hard disagree there buddy.

[DBPirate]

I like the direction Gohan's character has gone in and I believe it to be totally consistent with how he acted when he was introduced. I've never understood the vitriol that people have toward him.