"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[mute_proxy]

I got it from DBShype. "Officially Confirmed! Galactic Patrol Prisoner Arc will be ending in CH.67 which will be released in December!"

Ugh.

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It's from the official dragon ball website

https://dragonball.news/news/n201113066.html

[Cipher]

Ignore me! It is there, tucked in toward the bottom.

Apologies. I initially thought people were making assumptions based on the chapter description elsewhere on the page.

[Matches Malone]

IF the arc ends in December then I'm confident there will be something about the anime at Jump Fiesta. I mean...

It could theoretically get announced this year, but Toei's staff are too busy to make it happen any time soon. Maybe April 2022 ?

[Kinokima]

Whis stopping moros attack with a single finger is hilarious, Whis is still on another level. Also I'm assuming the grand priest calling all GoDs to zenos is obviously going to lead into the next arc. Will it be the "angel arc" ppl have been predicting since forever now? I'm still a little skeptical.

Also vegeta is getting involved again as pretty much anyone expected but seeing the draft pages cut off as he attacks has me nervous he'sjust there to get smacked around again. Probably another "clever" cliffhanger like last chapter where moro attacks goku and it backfires. Especially since whis already gave goku advice on how to win against moro that doesn't involve vegeta or spirit fission. Maybe I'm being too pessimistic but I doubt it.

Yeah the fact that the cliffhanger ends on Vegeta makes me think he won’t get to do anything too significant


And we all guessed Vegeta helping to take him out of the Earth so that was too obvious. Unless Goku will need Vegeta to remove Moro to destroy the crystal but I am not expecting much.

[Magnificent Ponta]

Both he and Goku will be getting smacked around for the majority of the chapter, so don't expect anything major from either until near the end.

An interesting way of phrasing it, since Moro hasn't landed a clean hit on Goku so far in the chapter, from what I can see of the drafts. Rather, I'd imagine that since Whis has given Goku a specific target to aim for, the momentum of the narrative will focus on that more than anything.

[Xeogran]

An interesting way of phrasing it, since Moro hasn't landed a clean hit on Goku so far in the chapter, from what I can see of the drafts. Rather, I'd imagine that since Whis has given Goku a specific target to aim for, the momentum of the narrative will focus on that more than anything.

I'll be surprised if one of them doesn't get grabbed by Moro's hand. That almost always happens in fights against Giants.

[FortuneSSJ]

IF the arc ends in December then I'm confident there will be something about the anime at Jump Fiesta. I mean...

I don't think it's a coincidence that the only arc missing from the anime would end RIGHT WHEN there is a major shonen convention where they usually announce new animated shows.

It's not coincidence that this arc will end around Jump festa, but that doesn't guarantee something about the anime will be announced there. They can focus on only advertising the next manga arc.

[SupremeKai25]

IF the arc ends in December then I'm confident there will be something about the anime at Jump Fiesta. I mean...

I don't think it's a coincidence that the only arc missing from the anime would end RIGHT WHEN there is a major shonen convention where they usually announce new animated shows.

It's not coincidence that this arc will end around Jump festa, but that doesn't guarantee something about the anime will be announced there. They can focus on only advertising the next manga arc.

I doubt they can already advertise the next manga arc, as last month Toyotaro/Toriyama said in an interview that they are still in the planning phase for the next arc. How can you advertise something of which you are still planning the basic storyline? But maybe they'll have finished planning it by the time Jump Fiesta starts.

[precita]

I hope the manga does on a bit of a hiatus. For some reason it's making me irrationally annoyed that the manga is getting so far ahead of the anime and we have no idea if this stuff will even be adapted if Super ever comes back. We know the next movie will probably be a new story and not be anything about Moro too.

If the manga continues, I guess it's safe to say it's its own thing now. It's starting to feel a little too much like "published fanfiction," which I guess is sort of ironic given the situation, but that's the vibe I'm getting from it now. Either that or it reminds me of the non-canon videogame stories.

[Matches Malone]

It's starting to feel a little too much like "published fanfiction,".

Which is in line with everything new we've gotten not named BOG.

[SupremeKai25]

There's no reason to assume that the anime will skip the Moro arc. They will simply do their own version of it while following Toriyama's general outline (so for example they'll keep the "Goku spares Moro" plot point, but the way the story gets to that point will be somewhat different).

I'm also thinking that if they announce the anime Moro arc this year then it won't start until 2022, like someone else said earlier. But that's completely fine. One year to develop the Moro arc and animate it seems fair. They might not even devote an arc to the Broly movie, as they don't need to wait for Toriyama to come up with new storylines this time (plus 99% of the people who watch Super will have already watched the Broly movie anyway).

[DSB]

I just wanna say one thing.

Notice how even Beerus was surprised when Whis moved to Goku?

I think even Beerus doesnt know the full extent of Whis' power.

Also Whis blocking Moro with one finger. Goku could also block Moro but he needs his whole hands or even two hands. Whis needs a finger while talking.

I think it was specifically done to show even MUI goku is leagues below the Whis and Angels.

[Mister_Popo]

I just wanna say one thing.

Notice how even Beerus was surprised when Whis moved to Goku?

I think even Beerus doesnt know the full extent of Whis' power.

Also Whis blocking Moro with one finger. Goku could also block Moro but he needs his whole hands or even two hands. Whis needs a finger while talking.

I think it was specifically done to show even MUI goku is leagues below the Whis and Angels.

Now Goku has reached MUI at the ending of this arc, the writers somehow have to emphasize this is not the end goal for Goku, and there are still other plains of strength to be reached. We already knew this with the GP being confirmed to be stronger than the other angels.
MUI as such does not grant being stronger than everyone else.

It would suffice for MUI being the endgoal for a martial artist, but the story apparently goes on, together with a further increase in power.

[Kanassa]

IF the arc ends in December then I'm confident there will be something about the anime at Jump Fiesta. I mean...

I don't think it's a coincidence that the only arc missing from the anime would end RIGHT WHEN there is a major shonen convention where they usually announce new animated shows.

It's not coincidence that this arc will end around Jump festa, but that doesn't guarantee something about the anime will be announced there. They can focus on only advertising the next manga arc.

I doubt they can already advertise the next manga arc, as last month Toyotaro/Toriyama said in an interview that they are still in the planning phase for the next arc. How can you advertise something of which you are still planning the basic storyline? But maybe they'll have finished planning it by the time Jump Fiesta starts.

I mean, they could have an Arc title and maybe some character concept sketches to show off by this point.

[DSB]

I just wanna say one thing.

Notice how even Beerus was surprised when Whis moved to Goku?

I think even Beerus doesnt know the full extent of Whis' power.

Also Whis blocking Moro with one finger. Goku could also block Moro but he needs his whole hands or even two hands. Whis needs a finger while talking.

I think it was specifically done to show even MUI goku is leagues below the Whis and Angels.

Now Goku has reached MUI at the ending of this arc, the writers somehow have to emphasize this is not the end goal for Goku, and there are still other plains of strength to be reached. We already knew this with the GP being confirmed to be stronger than the other angels.
MUI as such does not grant being stronger than everyone else.

It would suffice for MUI being the endgoal for a martial artist, but the story apparently goes on, together with a further increase in power.

I think the next "improvement" for Goku could be his lack of ruthlessness. Every arc since Saiyan his lack of situational awareness and greed to fight strong beings have troubled him and and people around him.

Maybe he tries to learn it but realizes he cant, leading him to take on training Uub, to make him the defender of justice he couldnt be.

[Mister_Popo]

It's not coincidence that this arc will end around Jump festa, but that doesn't guarantee something about the anime will be announced there. They can focus on only advertising the next manga arc.

I doubt they can already advertise the next manga arc, as last month Toyotaro/Toriyama said in an interview that they are still in the planning phase for the next arc. How can you advertise something of which you are still planning the basic storyline? But maybe they'll have finished planning it by the time Jump Fiesta starts.

I mean, they could have an Arc title and maybe some character concept sketches to show off by this point.

Jump Festa is on 19-20 December.
I don't know exactly when next months chapter will be out, but it will be around that time too.
When the chapter is released just before JF, It's not completely unthinkable we will actually get more information about the next arc in that chapter than during Jump Festa. Just like in 2018.
In December 2018 the arc in the manga had already started and already showed us Moro and the onset of the story, before JP happened, at which not a lot more about the premise of the arc was revealed.

[Mister_Popo]

I just wanna say one thing.

Notice how even Beerus was surprised when Whis moved to Goku?

I think even Beerus doesnt know the full extent of Whis' power.

Also Whis blocking Moro with one finger. Goku could also block Moro but he needs his whole hands or even two hands. Whis needs a finger while talking.

I think it was specifically done to show even MUI goku is leagues below the Whis and Angels.

Now Goku has reached MUI at the ending of this arc, the writers somehow have to emphasize this is not the end goal for Goku, and there are still other plains of strength to be reached. We already knew this with the GP being confirmed to be stronger than the other angels.
MUI as such does not grant being stronger than everyone else.

It would suffice for MUI being the endgoal for a martial artist, but the story apparently goes on, together with a further increase in power.

I think the next "improvement" for Goku could be his lack of ruthlessness. Every arc since Saiyan his lack of situational awareness and greed to fight strong beings have troubled him and and people around him.

Maybe he tries to learn it but realizes he cant, leading him to take on training Uub, to make him the defender of justice he couldnt be.

If he would train Uub but on that moment there is no villain challenging him to go beyond his limits, you think he would not be tempted at all by Uubs unseen potential wthout training, to produce a sparring partner that could push him, yet again, to higher plains of strength?
We musn't forget 'base Godku' or 'base Angelku' as you might call him already has MUI or who knows other powers inside him by that time, that have made him enormously stronger than we originally thought at the End of Z? So for Uub to challenge him and impress him at that tournament by that much, to convince him to abandon his wife, son, friends and relatives, he must have had divine levels of strong untrained already.

Knowing the conversatism of the franchise and broader fanbase, i however doubt Goku will produce such a defender by will.
If Uub becomes that kind of character, it's more probable because he choose to walk that path himself, not because Goku wanted him to become that.

Even if Goku wants to train another being to succeed him without any egocentric intention and as a result he may play second violin one day: remorse and truely wanting to change himself. That would potentially feed quite an intresting story, i'll give you that.
It also makes sense for characters set within a certain 'continuity' to develop or show remorse about their past, but apparently Goku doesn't. And last chapter wasn't really a sign on the walls there is any change on that front to happen anytime soon.

Why? I think the main problem is 'he is set like this for a pretty long period already, for decades, now'.
His main goal stays self-improvement, like it has always been.
And he is bringing in big money like how he is, how he has always been written, for the moment, why would they take a financial risk to change that?

There is a substantial amount of people here on the board that would appreciate less transformations and hair colors for Goku.
But apparently there is an even lot bigger amount of the fanbase that actually keeps liking new toys of Goku with a brand new hair color or 'more forms' in different games. As long as that does not change, i doubt Gokus character will change anytime soon.

[batistabus]

Some great expressions from Moro. That 3rd fist moment is visually hilarious, intentional or not. I was glad to see a random civilian reacting to the situation, which we haven't gotten much of this arc. For someone who fused with the Earth, Moro doesn't seem all that big. I hope we see him get bigger as the fight goes on (assuming Vegeta doesn't split him immediately).

(As a recent point of comparison, the Attack on Titan manga is ending, and its mangaka does an amazing job of portraying colossal creatures.)

[The Undying]

As usual, I'll reserve my thoughts for the chapter's release and wait until we get the full context, but I'm very much not impressed with the drafts this month. There's one thing in particular regarding Whis that irritates the hell out of me, and I'm pretty much just waiting for all this stuff to get wrapped up.

[ChronoTwigger]

-Hey Daishinkan, some dude has depleted all mortals in all Universes and will do it in all timelines.-
-Eh, dommage, hands tied, we can't directly interfere with ningen.-
-He's a Kaiohshin-
-... No, really, coff coff, let's see, I dunno, really, maybe...-
-But aren't angels supposed to keep straight some rule compliance? I mean, that way rules are all gone.-
-...coff coff RIINg RIIINg the cellphone is ringing.-
-It's a frog, no one is calling you.-
-Ssssh! I'm talking with the boss! Yeah... yeah... all right people, I should tell you we are doomed. Zamasu is too strong for us.-
-WHAT?!? But Whis was able to stop Moro with a single finger, and Moro was way more challenging than Zamasu!-
-RRRING RRRING ... well, the Boss remind us we will be erased by directly fight ningen.-
-NOT A NINGEN, is a kaioshin. And did everything on his own. He probably killed all Hakaishin - so we can simply send someone and stop this subverting menace.-
-...What an headache... shut up and don't bother me anymore (Daishinkan change appearance and erase some second in time, while be able to move and kill everyone in the meanwhile). Muah ah ah ah, no one will ever know my true identity and who's destroying continuity!-

(You read: consequences of a single panel)