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You know that only would reaffirm that Super is not canon, right?Kodoshin wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:10 amOr maybe End of Z is being erased, and honestly I'm all for it.
It could be either the remnants of the Grand Supreme Kai godly power within Uub OR Mr. Buu (morphed into his visage, with his personality in control) there with him.
Because Dai Kaioshin flew to his home to get him to lend energy.Noah wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:15 am So why was Oob with Dai Kaioshin? I mean the whole thing that I liked from the reincarnated concept is that he was conceived like a normal human being and now him being along with a God kinda makes this off for me.
You know that only would reaffirm that Super is not canon, right?Kodoshin wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:10 amOr maybe End of Z is being erased, and honestly I'm all for it.
And was a matter of fact I don't think Toyotaro has the balls to make a huge contradictions to the original manga. He probably will kept this way, leaving to fans either or not consider this an actual continuation.
I mentioned that was one of my favorite parts tooXeogran wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:51 am Oh yeah, also pls give credit to Piccolo for suggesting Vegeta to use his new technique in a different manner. Real nice that he gets to be relevant in his mentor role.
This guy gets itNoah wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:15 amYou know that only would reaffirm that Super is not canon, right?
. DBS is an midquel as in it takes place between two points in the story. If it retcons EoZ, it would be the first midquel I've ever seen that erases the part of the story that original came after.
Whaaaat? That's awesome, I love his character, I hope they do something big with him in Super, I always hated his treatment in GT.Matches Malone wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:23 amSpoiler:
Kinda makes the story's statement about Zamasu being a rare prodigy amongst the Kais something really funny to think about.DiscountDabi wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:44 am What happened with Uub kinda reaffirms a past theory about the Daikaio. Uubs power alone was enough to get Goku back to Mastered Ultra Instinct and make that energy titan. Implying that Uub is on that level of power since he didn’t seem drained at all.
Which reaffirms the theory that the Grand Supreme Kai was on or around Beerus’s level but gave up most of his power sealing Moro’s magic.
Definitely, that was a great way of using Piccolo, as he still proves he's useful despite being under powered compared to the others.Xeogran wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:51 amGive credit to Piccolo for suggesting Vegeta to use his new technique in a different manner. Real nice that he gets to be relevant in his mentor role.
Toriyama gave us a call and told us what happened.TobyS wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:53 am How are people talking about the ending, spoiling details here thanks guys, when it isn't out till tomorrow ??
Not really, since Goku remarked after his fight with Zamasu that, if he kept training, he'd be able to reach Beerus' power one day. Plus Zamasu was very young, he was basically a teenager/young adult, while the Grand Supreme Kai is old, so you can't compare them.Thani wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:04 pmKinda makes the story's statement about Zamasu being a rare prodigy amongst the Kais something really funny to think about.DiscountDabi wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:44 am What happened with Uub kinda reaffirms a past theory about the Daikaio. Uubs power alone was enough to get Goku back to Mastered Ultra Instinct and make that energy titan. Implying that Uub is on that level of power since he didn’t seem drained at all.
Which reaffirms the theory that the Grand Supreme Kai was on or around Beerus’s level but gave up most of his power sealing Moro’s magic.
Akira Toriyama, DBS vol.4 joint interview with ToyotaroAt his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
Not only was this the second time he was shown, his power was the key to getting Goku back into MUI, so he's definitely going to shine in the future.UpFromTheSkies wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:47 amWhaaaat? That's awesome, I love his character, I hope they do something big with him in Super, I always hated his treatment in GT.
No, as nothing was ever established about his power in EOZ other than him being strong enough to fight Goku. Super is simply going into detail about how that's possible.
Akira Toriyama, DBS vol.4 joint interview with ToyotaroAt his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
Toriyama did reboot Broly, so if he likes the concept of this arc no one would stop him from writing it into Super (with changes of course).SupremeKai25 wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:43 pm How I'd love if the final arc of Super borrowed a lot of ideas from the Universal Conflict arc of SDBHeroes:
I swear, if the next arc is a fucking tournament I'm going to scream.
Yeah ! Worst case scenario is Zeno pulling a "now we have more universe si let's make an even bigger ToP"SupremeKai25 wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:43 pm How I'd love if the final arc of Super borrowed a lot of ideas from the Universal Conflict arc of SDBHeroes:
This would tie perfectly into the ending of the Tournament of Power arc:
- 17's wish restored the Future timeline, which explains why Fused Zamasu is still alive;
- 17's wish also restored the 6 universes erased by Zeno: Hearts, one of the main villains of the arc, could be a mortal of the erased universes who seeks revenge on Zeno for destroying trillions of life simply because he was bored one day. That is how you write a morally grey villain.
- Why did this villainous group not make their move until the end of the Moro arc? Because they were still gathering members and building their strength, and sense a window of opportunity now that the God hierarchy is distracted by Merus' death.
This arc would succeed so easily that it's writing itself. I don't know why the writers don't push the idea that 17's wish had huge ramifications for the future, because the wording of his wish is objectively ambiguous. "Restore all of the erased universes", he DOES NOT specify the universes "erased at the Tournament of Power". This is super ambiguous.
Also, I swear, if the next arc is a fucking tournament I'm going to scream.
