Why do so many people dislike GT Pan?

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Re: Why do so many people dislike GT Pan?

Post by SuperSaiyaManZ94 » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:25 pm

WittyUsername wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:25 pm
8000 Saiyan wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:50 am Because how bratty and obnoxious she can be. The dub makes her even more annoying, but then again, that was one of the many problems with Funimation's dubs at the time, they made Bulma and Chi-Chi overly obnoxious and one-note. Yamcha comes across as rather unlikable with some of the dialogue he's given and Sabat does not help matters with his rather poor acting at the time.
The anime in general made Chi-Chi overly obnoxious and one-note. Also, what specific dialogue does the FUNimation dub give Yamcha that makes him unlikable? Are you talking about the cat loves food thing?
So true in regards to Chi-Chi, while i am not quite as fond of Naoko Watanabe's take in the Japanese version after she assumed the role from Mayumi Sho departing following DBZ ep 66 even hers is not nearly to the over the top, shrill levels as Cynthia Cranz in the dub. She OTOH magnifies the annoying and more negative traits of Chi-Chi's nagging tiger/education obsessed-ness up to eleven.

Also about Yamcha, is 8000 Saiyan talking about the god awful surfer accent that Sabat used in Z up through sometime before Kai or was it some of the jokes the scripts had him say including the above?
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Re: Why do so many people dislike GT Pan?

Post by WittyUsername » Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:28 pm

SuperSaiyaManZ94 wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:25 pm
WittyUsername wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:25 pm
8000 Saiyan wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:50 am Because how bratty and obnoxious she can be. The dub makes her even more annoying, but then again, that was one of the many problems with Funimation's dubs at the time, they made Bulma and Chi-Chi overly obnoxious and one-note. Yamcha comes across as rather unlikable with some of the dialogue he's given and Sabat does not help matters with his rather poor acting at the time.
The anime in general made Chi-Chi overly obnoxious and one-note. Also, what specific dialogue does the FUNimation dub give Yamcha that makes him unlikable? Are you talking about the cat loves food thing?
So true in regards to Chi-Chi, while i am not quite as fond of Naoko Watanabe's take in the Japanese version after she assumed the role from Mayumi Sho departing following DBZ ep 66 even hers is not nearly to the over the top, shrill levels as Cynthia Cranz in the dub. She OTOH magnifies the annoying and more negative traits of Chi-Chi's nagging tiger/education obsessed-ness up to eleven.

Also about Yamcha, is 8000 Saiyan talking about the god awful surfer accent that Sabat used in Z up through sometime before Kai or was it some of the jokes the scripts had him say including the above?
Bad jokes in the dub are hardly something exclusive to Yamcha. 8000 Saiyan makes it sound like the dub made Yamcha out to be an a-hole.

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Re: Why do so many people dislike GT Pan?

Post by SuperSaiyaManZ94 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:14 am

WittyUsername wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:28 pm
SuperSaiyaManZ94 wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:25 pm
WittyUsername wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:25 pm

The anime in general made Chi-Chi overly obnoxious and one-note. Also, what specific dialogue does the FUNimation dub give Yamcha that makes him unlikable? Are you talking about the cat loves food thing?
So true in regards to Chi-Chi, while i am not quite as fond of Naoko Watanabe's take in the Japanese version after she assumed the role from Mayumi Sho departing following DBZ ep 66 even hers is not nearly to the over the top, shrill levels as Cynthia Cranz in the dub. She OTOH magnifies the annoying and more negative traits of Chi-Chi's nagging tiger/education obsessed-ness up to eleven.

Also about Yamcha, is 8000 Saiyan talking about the god awful surfer accent that Sabat used in Z up through sometime before Kai or was it some of the jokes the scripts had him say including the above?
Bad jokes in the dub are hardly something exclusive to Yamcha. 8000 Saiyan makes it sound like the dub made Yamcha out to be an a-hole.
Yes, he got some of the terrible lines as well on top of the awful accent but there wasn't really much if anything dialogue wise that screamed "unlikeable" to me.
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Re: Why do so many people dislike GT Pan?

Post by MyVisionity » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:49 am

WittyUsername wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:25 pm
8000 Saiyan wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:50 am Because how bratty and obnoxious she can be. The dub makes her even more annoying, but then again, that was one of the many problems with Funimation's dubs at the time, they made Bulma and Chi-Chi overly obnoxious and one-note. Yamcha comes across as rather unlikable with some of the dialogue he's given and Sabat does not help matters with his rather poor acting at the time.
The anime in general made Chi-Chi overly obnoxious and one-note. Also, what specific dialogue does the FUNimation dub give Yamcha that makes him unlikable? Are you talking about the cat loves food thing?

I enjoy the "cat loves food" bit. For me, it's not the dialogue but Sabat's acting that doesn't work. I think I prefer Ted Cole from Ocean over Sabat.

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Re: Why do so many people dislike GT Pan?

Post by 8000 Saiyan » Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:36 am

WittyUsername wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:25 pm
8000 Saiyan wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:50 am Because how bratty and obnoxious she can be. The dub makes her even more annoying, but then again, that was one of the many problems with Funimation's dubs at the time, they made Bulma and Chi-Chi overly obnoxious and one-note. Yamcha comes across as rather unlikable with some of the dialogue he's given and Sabat does not help matters with his rather poor acting at the time.
The anime in general made Chi-Chi overly obnoxious and one-note. Also, what specific dialogue does the FUNimation dub give Yamcha that makes him unlikable? Are you talking about the cat loves food thing?
The cat loves food line is just a cheesy line from the old dub. In no way it makes him unlikable. My problem is how Yamcha comes across as a manwhore in the old dub. I'm thinking of the episode where Bulma hosts a barbecue and Goku hasn't arrived yet, which makes Bulma wonder if he's ever going to show up. And in the Japanese version, Chi-Chi tells Bulma to give up on Goku since she's way prettier than she is, and Yamcha tells her that she's indeed very pretty today, which makes her angry since the way he says it makes it sound like she isn't always pretty. In the dub, Chi-Chi asks Bulma to trade Vegeta with Goku, and Yamcha asks the two of them if they're interested in him, but Chi-Chi tells him that she doesn't want a downgrade, making everyone laugh, even Yamcha. It's such a groan-worthy moment from the dub.
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Re: Why do so many people dislike GT Pan?

Post by RobertDaDon » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:45 pm

GT Pan is an annoying, useless damsel-in-distress character with no development l. That's why she's hated.

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Re: Why do so many people dislike GT Pan?

Post by TonyDragonBallFan » Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:18 pm

Couple of things:
Her crop top outfit was too young for her, & she was used WAY WAY WAY too much.

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Re: Why do so many people dislike GT Pan?

Post by DestructoDisc » Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:39 pm

Sexism. Mostly the creators are at fault here, who decided to turn Gohan's daughter and Goku's granddaughter into a damsel-in-distress only because she's a girl. They couldn't even bother giving her a SSJ form, like how hard it is to make her a SSJ? Tons of fan artists were able to do it, but professional character designers can't? Same thing with Bulla, Vegeta's daughter, who of course got turned into a girl obsessed with shopping, despite her having massive potential and being the kid of 2 incredibly important characters. Let's not forget about Marron, the daughter of the strongest earthling (sorry Tien fans), what did they do with her? Make her a girl that likes shopping of course, with barely any screentime.

Fans probably would've liked Pan more if she wasn't, well, a "she". Most fans of DB are boys, and they relate to the male characters more than to the female ones. Though Pan would still be hated for being weak and getting too much screentime.

If DB ever does a timeskip, I fully expect them to fix these characters. We live in a different era now where females aren't that looked down upon and Super reflects that pretty well. Tons of new and strong female characters got introduced, female super saiyans, 18, Mai and Bulma became relevant again, the games gave us Towa and Android 21 (both of whom are popular and well liked by the community), even DB Heroes gave us tons of new female characters that aren't treated as jokes.

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Re: Why do so many people dislike GT Pan?

Post by 90sDBZ » Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:56 pm

DestructoDisc wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:39 pm Sexism. Mostly the creators are at fault here, who decided to turn Gohan's daughter and Goku's granddaughter into a damsel-in-distress only because she's a girl. They couldn't even bother giving her a SSJ form, like how hard it is to make her a SSJ? Tons of fan artists were able to do it, but professional character designers can't? Same thing with Bulla, Vegeta's daughter, who of course got turned into a girl obsessed with shopping, despite her having massive potential and being the kid of 2 incredibly important characters. Let's not forget about Marron, the daughter of the strongest earthling (sorry Tien fans), what did they do with her? Make her a girl that likes shopping of course, with barely any screentime.

Fans probably would've liked Pan more if she wasn't, well, a "she". Most fans of DB are boys, and they relate to the male characters more than to the female ones. Though Pan would still be hated for being weak and getting too much screentime.
To be fair Pan does get to do a lot more in GT than Gohan, Goten, and even Trunks, who all get left behind for the initial Shadow Dragon search. Even though they can all go Super Saiyan, she is constantly more involved in the main plot than them. Even Uub, the guy who Goku spent 5 years of his life training gets the shaft in favour of her.

Vegeta is sidelined for most of GT, Piccolo gets killed off and sent to Hell permanently, Krillin shows up just to die again, and Yamcha, Tien, and Chiaotzu don't even get lines.

I know it's just a fan theory and nothing more, but I've always liked the idea that she "inherited" Gohan's Mystic power, which would explain her never going Super Saiyan but still being really OP. It would have been cool to see her go Super Saiyan I'll admit.

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Re: Why do so many people dislike GT Pan?

Post by ArmenianPepsi » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:43 am

WittyUsername wrote: Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:15 pm She does have a bratty attitude in GT, and does often play the role of a damsel in distress, but in fairness, so did Bulma at the start of the manga. I think part of the reason Pan tends to get more hate for it is because people don’t like how the show gives her so much attention, while sidelining other characters. Also, to be fair to Bulma, while she does have a short temper, it’s often more justified for her than with Pan. Pan’s abuse of Gill isn’t an especially endearing quality.
I can side with this. Pan just makes me think of a Diet Coke Bulma.
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Re: Why do so many people dislike GT Pan?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:00 pm

I remember when people would call Pan the Scrappy-Doo of Dragon Ball. I can see why some people think that because Pan was a younger member of the Son Goku family that was a main side character and she was annoying to deal with. GT was mostly a Goku and Pan show with the other characters being jobbers.
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