"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Kanassa]

Buu 2.0 was visually a step up, one of the few times that Toyo gets a bit more creative with the visuals, though I'll be honest at times it was hard not to treat this chapter as a pure comedy with Moro constantly morphing into a living meme with those faces. Story-wise, this feels clunky and rushed as all hell, like after so many chapters of padding, Toyo was suddenly told to end it and just chucked everything at the wall. It's inconsistent on how the planet detonating thing works, in one page Goku acts like he can't fight back without accidentally setting him off, but then he can just punch through when Vegeta is draining energy back? Whis hands Goku the solution on the silver platter because Goku's been too much of a moron this arc to trust actually figure out to hit the big video game weak spot; though honestly, I don't understand how it works. He breaks the crystal, thus somehow this makes him unfuse with the earth instead of destroying it? I mean, unless a living Meerus is gonna pop out as well, shouldn't the Earth be destroyed along with it? Honestly, the whole deal with breaking the crystals (and for when Meerus did it as well) just feels like the characters reading the script rather than the story naturally giving them a reason to come to a conclusion.

Beerus has to fuck off because his character is pointless in this arc and I know the Grand Priest is probably asking about Meerus, but I wonder if Beerus is getting called up to asked why his lazy ass still hasn't learned from the Tournament of Power. And the big role Piccolo gets that people are raving about is... Telling Vegeta to do the obvious thing? And Uub is suddenly forced in there to give them the final push they needed because Toyo wanted a cameo. I get that he's connected to Buu and such, but the dude has not existed in this arc at all until they needed him for the finishing move. It's like if you had the Cell arc without Vegeta, yet still kept in Vegeta shooting Cell in the back to give Gohan the grounds to finish him off. Also, shouldn't Uub have been getting his chunky divine energy drained by Moro?

At the very least, Vegeta's training wasn't completely pointless.

[Kagari]

Buu 2.0 was visually a step up, one of the few times that Toyo gets a bit more creative with the visuals, though I'll be honest at times it was hard not to treat this chapter as a pure comedy with Moro constantly morphing into a living meme with those faces. Story-wise, this feels clunky and rushed as all hell, like after so many chapters of padding, Toyo was suddenly told to end it and just chucked everything at the wall. It's inconsistent on how the planet detonating thing works, in one page Goku acts like he can't fight back without accidentally setting him off, but then he can just punch through when Vegeta is draining energy back? Whis hands Goku the solution on the silver platter because Goku's been too much of a moron this arc to trust actually figure out to hit the big video game weak spot; though honestly, I don't understand how it works. He breaks the crystal, thus somehow this makes him unfuse with the earth instead of destroying it? I mean, unless a living Meerus is gonna pop out as well, shouldn't the Earth be destroyed along with it? Honestly, the whole deal with breaking the crystals (and for when Meerus did it as well) just feels like the characters reading the script rather than the story naturally giving them a reason to come to a conclusion.

Beerus has to fuck off because his character is pointless in this arc and I know the Grand Priest is probably asking about Meerus, but I wonder if Beerus is getting called up to asked why his lazy ass still hasn't learned from the Tournament of Power. And the big role Piccolo gets that people are raving about is... Telling Vegeta to do the obvious thing? And Uub is suddenly forced in there to give them the final push they needed because Toyo wanted a cameo. I get that he's connected to Buu and such, but the dude has not existed in this arc at all until they needed him for the finishing move. It's like if you had the Cell arc without Vegeta, yet still kept in Vegeta shooting Cell in the back to give Gohan the grounds to finish him off. Also, shouldn't Uub have been getting his chunky divine energy drained by Moro?

At the very least, Vegeta's training wasn't completely pointless.

Yeah this mirrors a lot of my thoughts. Add in the Oob thing being some nonsense to trot out because fans can't trust Goku to make something out of Oob as he was and because said fans complain about the end of the original series ad nauseum.

[Hellspawn28]

I didn't like that Goku killed off Moro because I never like that Goku gets the win again. At least with Super, Freeza and Moro are the only villains to die. Meanwhile Zamasu was erased by Zeno and the other characters such as Broly, Jiren, Hit, and Beerus are not villains.

[sangofe]

So I tried to keep away from reading comments about what actually happens, but I unfortunately did read one. Here's hoping to not completely spoil myself... And here's my question: do we know anything about the next story arc? What is it eventually? I like to know what to expect without knowing the details...
If you know please quote me so I can go directly to your reply and not see all the spoilers floating around.

[Xeogran]

If you know please quote me so I can go directly to your reply and not see all the spoilers floating around.

We really don't but there's a big chance Beerus will finally play a major role again. Also the chapter is officially out, why don't you just read it now?

[Majin Hopo]

It was a good climax to the final battle with Moro, but it should have been six chapters instead of eight. It makes sense Vegeta couldn't separate Moro from the planet with the power difference, but his actions allowed Goku to win.

The Moro arc will most likely end next chapter, making this 25 chapters long plus the end of chapter 42. This could fit perfectly in a 26 episode anime season if every episode covers one chapter with great cliffhangers at the end.

[HeroR]

It was a good climax to the final battle with Moro, but it should have been six chapters instead of eight. It makes sense Vegeta couldn't separate Moro from the planet with the power difference, but his actions allowed Goku to win.

The Moro arc will most likely end next chapter, making this 25 chapters long plus the end of chapter 42. This could fit perfectly in a 26 episode anime season if every episode covers one chapter with great cliffhangers at the end.

I don't see why since this arc had a lot of padding that can easily be cut. I can probably cut this entire arc by at least six chapters.

[Michsi]

I fairly liked the chapter. Vegeta's technique ended up being essential and that was really necessary for this arc's finale, otherwise a huge chunk of the story that focused on it would've gone completely to waste. That Piccolo played a part in formulating a plan while everyone was either too concentrated on either the fight or Vegeta punching the ground was nice - this in line with how his character should be written IMO, keeping a level head and figuring something out - yes, even if it's obvious to us - while everyone is freaking out.

Oob's contribution was also neat.

I think the next chapter will show the reason Beerus got called and I hope it's not just because of Merus. My first impression was that the reason the call came in that exact moment was to keep him from doing something specific. "I'll be in big trouble if the other Gods of Destruction see me do this" is weird because he is SUPPOSED to step in and eliminate large threats such as Moro.

Also, kinda hoping Merus is not getting resurrected.

[Majin Hopo]

I don't see why since this arc had a lot of padding that can easily be cut. I can probably cut this entire arc by at least six chapters.

While I don't disagree with that, Dragon Ball (Super) is a continuous anime so they'll rather extend the scenes instead of cutting them. It's still uncertain if there will be anime only arcs involved again or if they'll order a 2-cour season, but one is too little.
The anime could even be different if the directors take a different approach from Toriyama's notes, but there is already a full source material so I doubt that. We still don't know if it will be animated at all and I wonder what the next arc will be about.

[HeroR]

I don't see why since this arc had a lot of padding that can easily be cut. I can probably cut this entire arc by at least six chapters.

While I don't disagree with that, Dragon Ball (Super) is a continuous anime so they'll rather extend the scenes instead of cutting them. It's still uncertain if there will be anime only arcs involved again or if they'll order a 2-cour season, but one is too little.
The anime could even be different if the directors take a different approach from Toriyama's notes, but there is already a full source material so I doubt that. We still don't know if it will be animated at all and I wonder what the next arc will be about.

The anime only expands stuff so they don't catch up with the manga and it's questionable if they care about that.

The point is, if the anime chose to animate this arc, it will be a slog because this arc is badly pace and needs cut. Although what is annoying is that for all the bad pacing, Toyo did a bad job developing Goku and Merus' relationship and instead focused too much on Vegeta who for the role he played in the end wasn't justified. Like the chapter Toyo spent with Vegeta fighting Zarbon 2.0 could have gone into showing Goku and Merus bonding. Or just the training in general since Toyo never explained why Goku got more out of Merus compared to Whis.

[Majin Hopo]

The anime only expands stuff so they don't catch up with the manga and it's questionable if they care about that.

That is usual for anime like One Piece, but everyone knows Dragon Ball Super was a special case where neither anime or manga is the source material, but Toriyama's notes are.

The point is, if the anime chose to animate this arc, it will be a slog because this arc is badly pace and needs cut. Although what is annoying is that for all the bad pacing, Toyo did a bad job developing Goku and Merus' relationship and instead focused too much on Vegeta who for the role he played in the end wasn't justified. Like the chapter Toyo spent with Vegeta fighting Zarbon 2.0 could have gone into showing Goku and Merus bonding. Or just the training in general since Toyo never explained why Goku got more out of Merus compared to Whis.

I certainly agree focusing on build up that won't deliver a big resolve is annoying, but that's why the anime could expand on Goku and Merus more. A monthly chapter is similar to three weekly chapters in page count so it wouldn't be such a big deal inserting extra scenes here and there. The big action episodes could squeeze in more than one chapter, but I agree that pacing is the key for a successful adaptation.

[HeroR]

The anime only expands stuff so they don't catch up with the manga and it's questionable if they care about that.

That is usual for anime like One Piece, but everyone knows Dragon Ball Super was a special case where neither anime or manga is the source material, but Toriyama's notes are.

The point is, if the anime chose to animate this arc, it will be a slog because this arc is badly pace and needs cut. Although what is annoying is that for all the bad pacing, Toyo did a bad job developing Goku and Merus' relationship and instead focused too much on Vegeta who for the role he played in the end wasn't justified. Like the chapter Toyo spent with Vegeta fighting Zarbon 2.0 could have gone into showing Goku and Merus bonding. Or just the training in general since Toyo never explained why Goku got more out of Merus compared to Whis.

I certainly agree focusing on build up that won't deliver a big resolve is annoying, but that's why the anime could expand on Goku and Merus more. A monthly chapter is similar to three weekly chapters in page count so it wouldn't be such a big deal inserting extra scenes here and there. The big action episodes could squeeze in more than one chapter, but I agree that pacing is the key for a successful adaptation.

I know that, which is why Super was far better pace than Dragon Ball or Z since it wasn't stalling.

Overall, the anime can easily make this arc 15 episodes even with extra stuff to developed Merus and Goku's bond and it wouldn't be rush because this arc is padded with unneeded fluff.

[Galan007]

Quoting another media, obviously.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/fd1af0111b7 ... 1_400.gifv

It's funny, because this is the first thing I thought of when I saw Goku randomly pull that technique out of his ass:
https://ibb.co/ctGyMDg

Saiyan T-Vo, ftw!

[Skar]

The Moro arc will most likely end next chapter, making this 25 chapters long plus the end of chapter 42. This could fit perfectly in a 26 episode anime season if every episode covers one chapter with great cliffhangers at the end.

That sounds about right. I do think there was a lot of padding maybe to have it last so the next arc could be announced at another Jump Festa. Not sure if Toei will cut anything since the movie retellings were 27 episodes and while the exhibition match and recruitment were almost 20 episodes. I guess it depends how involved Toriyama was and how it leads into the next arc.

[Rory]

The page with Oob is pretty much the only time post-revival Dragon Ball has made me feel anything, I was legitimately thrilled to see that kind of reserved, yet impactful imagery in this series. Shame they had to go and take the wind out of its sails by explaining everything on the next page, but the image of a confused Oob with his hand raised, unknowingly saving the world, had me smiling from ear to ear.
I guess people aren't too down with Moro looking goofy? I'll take it over the insanely generic looking Perfect Cell stuff, at this point if Dragon Ball does anything remotely new I'm there for it. Pretty decent finale, Toyo's art has come a long way.

[dualist]

Heroes stories are terrible. I'm happy that nonsense is away from the main series

Yeah, Heroes is over the top even for Dragon Ball, but I enjoy it for what it is and don't have a problem with it as long as it stays in it's own lane and away from Super.

I do enjoy many of the DBH concepts tho and the use of pretty much all the characters in the series. So many characters received power ups and have some form of relevance. If the stories were fleshed out more they'd be excellent.

But to this arc, I did enjoy it but wish they would've stayed the course with Moro's unique magic powers. He was such a unique villain!

[Matches Malone]

I didn't like that Goku killed off Moro because I never like that Goku gets the win again.

He hasn't gotten a solo win since his fight with Freeza on Namek.

Gohan killed Cell.
Goku needed Vegeta, Buu, & Satan's help to kill Buu.
He lost to Beerus.
He initially lost to Golden Freeza and needed the help of both Vegeta and Whis to kill him.
He gave up against Hit.
Zeno erased Zamasu.
He needed Freeza's help to knock out Jiren.
Gogeta took care of Broly.
He did get the (seemingly) finishing blow on Moro, but he needed Uub's energy and Vegeta to give it to him in order to get that blow in.

[Kinokima]

I didn't like that Goku killed off Moro because I never like that Goku gets the win again.

He hasn't gotten a solo win since his fight with Freeza on Namek.

Gohan killed Cell.
Goku needed Vegeta, Buu, & Satan's help to kill Buu.
He lost to Beerus.
He initially lost to Golden Freeza and needed the help of both Vegeta and Whis to kill him.
He gave up against Hit.
Zeno erased Zamasu.
He needed Freeza's help to knock out Jiren.
Gogeta took care of Broly.
He did get the (seemingly) finishing blow on Moro, but he needed Uub's energy and Vegeta to give it to him in order to get that blow in.

But I also don’t really see what the big deal is that he hasn’t. He is still always part of the victory (except for the Future Trunks arc ending but that was awful) . I really don’t understand why Goku needs a solo win

And if we count filler movies and GT he got some solo wins on there too.

It’s the same as people acting like Vegeta is a failure because he never got to kill a main villain.

[Matches Malone]

I also don’t really see what the big deal is that he hasn’t. He is still always part of the victory.

It's not a big deal, I'm just pointing out that it hasn't happened as much as fans claim it has.

[Kinokima]

I also don’t really see what the big deal is that he hasn’t. He is still always part of the victory.

It's not a big deal, I'm just pointing out that it hasn't happened as much as fans claim it has.

I mean this is very weird fandom what can I say