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[ABED]

plenty of series start out that way with that kind of opening. It all comes down to execution.

I think it might be OK if the cliffhanger isn't too far off, but with Boruto, we'll be well into the 300s by the time we get there.

Boruto starts off with a teaser that has yet to payoff for over 300 episodes?

[Matches Malone]

Boruto starts off with a teaser that has yet to payoff for over 300 episodes?

Boruto just crossed its 175th episode, and as far as we know, we're an extremely long way from reaching that cliffhanger. The manga itself hasn't reached it yet, and the anime is severely behind it. I don't even think Boruto has started covering the manga fully, much less reach where it is now. As things stand, I think 300 is a best case scenario.

[ABED]

That's just obnoxious.

[Matches Malone]

That's just obnoxious.

Extremely. That cliffhanger was teased back in May 2016 when the manga started, so it will have been 5 years by next May. To give you a DB comparison, it'd be like showing Goku and Freeza ready to fight in 1984 when DB started, only to not actually see the fight until 1991. It just makes everything in between seem pointless.

[ABED]

It's not that it seems pointless. I don't think that argument holds water, but it's just an obnoxious tease. In fact, I think it would be the opposite of pointless - it implies everything is important and building towards that one moment. It assumes so much on the part of the writer. It assumes they can keep the audience's interest for that long, and assumes they can pay it off in a way that feels satisfactory after putting it off for years.

[ZeroNeonix]

Can Universe 6 Saiyans become Super Saiyan Gods, since they (presumably) don't have a Yamoshi in their universe? Is Super Saiyan 3 the highest form Cabba, Caulifla, and Kale can strive for?

U6 Saiyans have something far stronger than Yamoshi, the power of merchandising.

Well, that's an interesting thing, though. None of the U6 Saiyans have found god ki yet. They're still at Super Saiyan 2 level. The last we say them, they said they were going to train to achieve Super Saiyan 3. We even got a brief appearance of Super Saiyan 3 Goku during the tournament. If the U6 Saiyans returning, it would make most sense for them to be the ones to bring Super Saiyan 3 back into the mainstream. That's what makes the most sense marketability-wise. I mean, they could be given God and Blue forms, but I don't think people would be as excited about that.

[ZeroNeonix]

So if two fat people or two skinny people do the fusion dance, how do you know if it worked?

[Alruneia]

So if two fat people or two skinny people do the fusion dance, how do you know if it worked?

If the fusion is as fat/skinny as its parts, I'd guess. If the fat fusion goes wrong and ends up skinny, or the skinny fusion ends up fat, the result would probably be a person with a lean build but not much power. A fat fusion going fatter would result in a person lost within their own blubber, and a skinny fusion going skinnier... uh, rattle me bones. Honestly the fusion might end up directly dying in those two cases. So... if they're not lean and not dead, you know it worked.

[Hulk10]

Has anyone ever noticed that most of the male human and human like characters do not have noticable body hair. The only one I can think of who does off the top of my head is Hercule.

[TobyS]

Has anyone ever noticed that most of the male human and human like characters do not have noticeable body hair. The only one I can think of who does off the top of my head is Hercule.

Don't asian people not really have as much body hair or is that just a stereotype?
And satan is kinda like a american showboating fake martial artist.

I figured that was the thing, being hairy is an extension of his general goofiness.

[Hulk10]

Has anyone ever noticed that most of the male human and human like characters do not have noticeable body hair. The only one I can think of who does off the top of my head is Hercule.

Don't asian people not really have as much body hair or is that just a stereotype?
And satan is kinda like a american showboating fake martial artist.

I figured that was the thing, being hairy is an extension of his general goofiness.

Well yes they are said to have less visible body hair but very few of the characters in the show are noticably Asian in decent.

[ZeroNeonix]

Don't asian people not really have as much body hair or is that just a stereotype?
And satan is kinda like a american showboating fake martial artist.

I figured that was the thing, being hairy is an extension of his general goofiness.

Well, it's a stereotype Dragon Ball never challenges. lol

And yeah, Mr. Satan is definitely based on American fake wrestling. Even the name Mr. Satan sounds like a cheesy 90's wrestler name. He even refers to himself in the third-person (though I don't know Japanese, so I can't say if that's just a dub thing). Then again, fake wrestlers don't typically have a lot of hair. They're very smooth so they can oil up their skin.

Funny thing about Hercule, though. He's actually incredibly strong by human standards. It's just that the main cast are these planet busting monsters, so he pales in comparison.

[Hulk10]

Well there are a lot of characters whose nationality you can't tell even amongst us Saiyans.

[TobyS]

Has anyone ever noticed that most of the male human and human like characters do not have noticeable body hair. The only one I can think of who does off the top of my head is Hercule.

Don't asian people not really have as much body hair or is that just a stereotype?
And satan is kinda like a american showboating fake martial artist.

I figured that was the thing, being hairy is an extension of his general goofiness.

Well yes they are said to have less visible body hair but very few of the characters in the show are noticably Asian in decent.

Isn't it a whole thing that generic anime characters, who to westeners look like white people, are supposed to just be japanese unless specified otherwise. It's never been a deliberate thing that anime characters were made to look less japanese? I swear I read an article on this once.

Kinda like how the simpsons are white people even though they are yellow.

Aren't the main casts heights more in line with them being read as japanese, like Kuririn and Vegetas heights being about normal?

Also regarding Hercules strength, the fan base really over rates him.

Toriyama states he's "about as strong was Bob Sapp" and the tournament announcer says the tournaments without the dragon team were "a bunch of also-rans" not to mention the good martial artists being traumatised by king Piccolo. So his one (he won a tournament though! He must be stronger than guys like King Chappa?!) is shakey af.

Satans only feats are winning one tournament with the weakest guys it's ever had and beating up to fat old dudes who shot a dog.

[ZeroNeonix]

Isn't it a whole thing that generic anime characters, who to westeners look like white people, are supposed to just be japanese unless specified otherwise. It's never been a deliberate thing that anime characters were made to look less japanese? I swear I read an article on this once.

I believe Toriyama said he designed Bulma to look like an American teenager. But the others are probably mostly Japanese. Roshi, Krillin, and Tien definitely look the part.

[Matches Malone]

A good number of fans say that Vegeta lost his strategic edge following the Namek arc, which may have been true in the Andriod arc, but he definitely regained it in the Buu arc.

He kept a close eye on Spopovich and figured out that allowing Babidi to partly taking over him would get him to Goku's level.

He noticed Super Buu freak out when a blast almost hit Fat Buu inside him, figuring out that removing him was the key to weakening him.

He's the one who came up with the idea of not only Goku using the spirit bomb to kill Buu, but to resurrect the people of earth and have them contribute their energy to it.

Finally, it was his idea to have Dende use the 3rd wish to restore Goku to full power in order to finish Buu.

[ZeroNeonix]

He's the one who came up with the idea of not only Goku using the spirit bomb to kill Buu, but to resurrect the people of earth and have them contribute their energy to it.

In this case, it seems like Vegeta was doing things the hard way, just for the sake of a poetic ending. Goku thought reviving the Earthlings meant they could bring Gohan back into the fight. That would have been the easy way to finish Buu. But Vegeta thought it would be appropriate if the Earth "saved itself." He drastically underestimated human stupidity, got lucky when Hercule convinced them to cooperate, and then had to correct his plan again by restoring Goku's stamina with a wish. It was a needlessly convoluted plan that happened to go their way...eventually.

[Matches Malone]

Goku thought reviving the Earthlings meant they could bring Gohan back into the fight. That would have been the easy way to finish Buu.

That would've been better, especially since Gohan did such a good job the first time around.

[ZeroNeonix]

That would've been better, especially since Gohan did such a good job the first time around.

Gohan would have won the first time, if he hadn't been so arrogant. I doubt he would have made the same mistake twice. Plus, he was wiping the floor with Super Buu before, and of course it is widely accepted, without any room for debate that Kid Buu is definitely weaker than Super Buu.

*Clears throat.*

[Matches Malone]

Gohan would have won the first time, if he hadn't been so arrogant.

I have no doubt that Gohan could beat Kid Buu, but there's the risk of him making the same mistake he made twice with Super Buu and Cell.

it is widely accepted, without any room for debate that Kid Buu is definitely weaker than Super Buu.

Sure it is...