"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Matches Malone]

The original plan for BOG was for Beerus to somehow infect everyone and turn them against Goku, so if this...thing can take over 7-3, I wonder if it'll do that with everyone else as well. Essentially making it Baby 2.0.

The lack of a large timeskip between arcs, the immediate set-up following the climax of the arc using a random mook of the previous antagonist as the catalyst to introduce new characters and continue the plot... it all feels distinctly un-Toriyama-like.

Everything post BOG has been Un-Toriyama like, so I never expected this to be anything different.

[Gt91]

Now we learn that 73 is a tsufuru and not an android xD

I'm really curious to see more! 5 more days!

[Xeogran]

using a random mook of the previous antagonist as the catalyst

Heh, since his debut, 73 had more arc presence than Moro. The fight with Gohan & Piccolo and a rematch with them. Then after being eaten, Moro basically went all into 73 powers rather than his own AND his demise was also being hit in 73's crystal.

We should have seen this coming

[SupremeKai25]

That moment when Moro is overshadowed by his own grunts

I guess he really was a forgettable villain.

[Ziegander]

I strongly disliked almost everything about the Moro arc that happened post-Namek, and that included 7-3 existing at all, but also 7-3 being able to just straight up copy Moro's power. That was bad enough for me and I thought that plot-point of Moro being power-drained and then just eating 7-3 to negate that power drain was utter trash writing. So, yeah, I didn't like 7-3's involvement in the previous arc well before it even came to that involvement going on to absorb the powers of an Angel.

I'm very curious about this arc, what the title "Survivor" implies, could be anything, but I'm most intrigued by the possibility that Granola is a survivor from a previously destroyed universe, that could be potentially insane. I'm far, far less enthused about bringing 7-3 into this at all, and even less enthused about him being brought back potentially by yet another outside force to serve as a tool yet again for some bigger, badder threat.

BUT Toyo is great at subverting expectations, so that's probably not Toyo's plan with 7-3. Got no clue what his plan could possibly be, but based on his past surprises... I'm not thrilled about it.

I'm cautiously optimistic.

[GodVegetto91]

Above all, I’m curious... And I have a strong feeling most of ya’ll share that feeling with me..

[GodVegetto91]

This could be a “Perfect Cell done right” scenario we’re looking at here guys...

Where scientists will create the ultimate fighter made of up the cells (or “DNA”) of all of the greatest fighters of the cosmos into one (or at least all the fighters that have appeared yet. Including Frieza, all the Z Fighters (UI Goku and Spirit Control Vegeta), Cell! All the forms of Buu, Beerus even! Whis, Angels, Merus, Jiren, Broly!!! Fusions, Moro, etc etc.

Like Dr. Gero’s little spying fly, collecting and stealing data from everyone over the years!

What do you guys think about that?

That would be one OP being! Lol!

[Cipher]

I’m just glad we are back to the original Dragon Ball Formula where the consequences of past arcs lead into the next arc, something almost entirely nonexistent in Super.

This has been an element of Super from the start, at least in the manga. Zamasu discovers Goku because of the U6 tournament, and the presence of a second Zeno is what leads to them deciding to reduce the number of universes.

[Yuji]

I’m just glad we are back to the original Dragon Ball Formula where the consequences of past arcs lead into the next arc, something almost entirely nonexistent in Super.

This has been an element of Super from the start, at least in the manga. Zamasu discovers Goku because of the U6 tournament, and the presence of a second Zeno is what leads to them deciding to reduce the number of universes.

Not in the sense I assume DiscountDabi is referring, of the last arc's conclusion leading directly into the setup for the following arc. Normally in Super, there is a neat resolution where the damage is undone, then there is a time-skip of peace time and the next arc simply picks up retroactively on an element of a previous story-line. Super's arcs are much more self-contained, rather than the chaotic, progressive series of events that lead, for instance, the Saiyan arc into the Namek arc and into the Artificial Humans arc.

[Skar]

Super itself exists to show what happened in the gap between Buu and EoZ. Which is why I feel that it will end when it finally reaches that point sometime in the next 3000 years.

We always get predictions at the end of every arc that the next one will finally go past EoZ. I might be one of the few who never expects that based on what Toriyama said about not wanting to go past EoZ in BoG interviews. He could change his mind but this is going to be the eighth storyline taking place between Buu saga and EoZ so I assume his reasoning still applies.

If this arc is as long as Moro, it'll last until December 2022. A lot of predictions about what's going to happen the following year have been off so I rather wait to see what happens after this arc ends before trying to predict what comes after .

[Mister_Popo]

On the little we have to go on, it would not surprise me if this is yet another Toyotarou original arc (or with heavy input by Toyotarou, if you wish to be more rigorous in examination). The lack of a large timeskip between arcs, the immediate set-up following the climax of the arc using a random mook of the previous antagonist as the catalyst to introduce new characters and continue the plot... it all feels distinctly un-Toriyama-like.

It actually is Toriyamas style to do follow-up storylines.
It's possible the Moro merely acts as a prelude to a bigger overarching story, like was the case with the Namek, Freeza sagas, Android and Cell sagas, martial tournament- / Babidi-storyline leading into Buu sagas and so on.

[SupremeKai25]

I doubt this upcoming arc will last another 2 years, because it is not a different arc in the first place.

It is like a part 2 to the Moro arc. It is named differently, but storywise it is an immediate continuation. You could consider them the same arc. It is like a climax/conclusion of the previous Moro arc.

Likewise, people consider the Androids and Cell arc the same even though they are technically separated name-wise.

[DI297]

I strongly disliked almost everything about the Moro arc that happened post-Namek, and that included 7-3 existing at all, but also 7-3 being able to just straight up copy Moro's power. That was bad enough for me and I thought that plot-point of Moro being power-drained and then just eating 7-3 to negate that power drain was utter trash writing. So, yeah, I didn't like 7-3's involvement in the previous arc well before it even came to that involvement going on to absorb the powers of an Angel.

I'm very curious about this arc, what the title "Survivor" implies, could be anything, but I'm most intrigued by the possibility that Granola is a survivor from a previously destroyed universe, that could be potentially insane. I'm far, far less enthused about bringing 7-3 into this at all, and even less enthused about him being brought back potentially by yet another outside force to serve as a tool yet again for some bigger, badder threat.

BUT Toyo is great at subverting expectations, so that's probably not Toyo's plan with 7-3. Got no clue what his plan could possibly be, but based on his past surprises... I'm not thrilled about it.

I'm cautiously optimistic.

If he ends up being from one of those universes it wouldn't make any sense cause when Zeno erased the universes during the ToP everyone from those universes disappeared even thou the teams weren't in those universes so it means that when he erase an universe he erase everything from that universe no matter what

[Yuji]

It actually is Toriyamas style to do follow-up storylines.

Not for Super. He's been distinctively in favor of self-contained stories in Super.

[DiscountDabi]

So based on what little of the trailer we have to go on, here is my theory. Given Yunba’s mocking of Jaco for not checking if 7-3 was dead, there is something specifically about 7-3 that is important to this Granola story arc. I’ve theorized that 7-3 isn’t an android, but more so like a being like Baby. This would make sense for “Granola the Survivor” to be a survivor of the Tuffle Race that was wiped out by the Saiyans. This is in line with Toyotaro’s love of establishing previously unexplored things in dragon ball such as Planet Zun and Planet Yardrat as a whole.


Edit: Ok so I just compared the two and 7-3 and baby share quite a few similarities.

Spoiler:

First of all, their eyes are basically identical. Same deep blue eyes with white specles in them. Their skin color while not exactly the same is very comparable in that kind of light teal green way. Their bodies both morph to accommodate their abilities and both were built on “planets with advanced technology”. Seems pretty cut and dry here. Granola is a tuffle.

[Mister_Popo]

It actually is Toriyamas style to do follow-up storylines.

Not for Super. He's been distinctively in favor of self-contained stories in Super.

I honestly don't see the fundation / justification of this critique.
If Toriyama has done it enough in the past, why couldn't he simply do it again?
There are enough successful examples of this concept.
In this case it even does make sense, because the Moro arc has left some loose ends to tie.
The general appreciation for the Moro arc may even grow if placed into a bigger story.

[Xeogran]

The general appreciation for the Moro arc may even grow if placed into a bigger story.

I guess some people really wanted to have it done and over with, but seems that won't be the case for a long time

[Mister_Popo]

The general appreciation for the Moro arc may even grow if placed into a bigger story.

I guess some people really wanted to have it done and over with, but seems that won't be the case for a long time

Don't get me wrong, i was speaking about a best case scenario here.
A tie-in story is no automatic guarantee to success either, for all clearance, it has to be well written and executed.
I don't want to give any false promesses either.

[Ziegander]

So based on what little of the trailer we have to go on, here is my theory. Given Yunba’s mocking of Jaco for not checking if 7-3 was dead, there is something specifically about 7-3 that is important to this Granola story arc. I’ve theorized that 7-3 isn’t an android, but more so like a being like Baby. This would make sense for “Granola the Survivor” to be a survivor of the Tuffle Race that was wiped out by the Saiyans. This is in line with Toyotaro’s love of establishing previously unexplored things in dragon ball such as Planet Zun and Planet Yardrat as a whole.

I'd really hope Granola isn't Tsufurian, but I do see it as being a strong possibility. The one mark against your theory, and only a minor one, is that Zoon and Yardrat, as examples of Toyo establishing previously unexplored bits of DB lore is that, so far, or at least in those two examples, Toyo has stuck to the "mainline," Toriyama canon while doing so. The closest to canonizing the Tuffles DBS has gotten was that one old dude from Universe 2 in the tournament of power. Not saying Granola isn't Tsufurian or that Toyo wouldn't do it, though!

I strongly disliked almost everything about the Moro arc that happened post-Namek, and that included 7-3 existing at all, but also 7-3 being able to just straight up copy Moro's power. That was bad enough for me and I thought that plot-point of Moro being power-drained and then just eating 7-3 to negate that power drain was utter trash writing. So, yeah, I didn't like 7-3's involvement in the previous arc well before it even came to that involvement going on to absorb the powers of an Angel.

I'm very curious about this arc, what the title "Survivor" implies, could be anything, but I'm most intrigued by the possibility that Granola is a survivor from a previously destroyed universe, that could be potentially insane. I'm far, far less enthused about bringing 7-3 into this at all, and even less enthused about him being brought back potentially by yet another outside force to serve as a tool yet again for some bigger, badder threat.

BUT Toyo is great at subverting expectations, so that's probably not Toyo's plan with 7-3. Got no clue what his plan could possibly be, but based on his past surprises... I'm not thrilled about it.

I'm cautiously optimistic.

If he ends up being from one of those universes it wouldn't make any sense cause when Zeno erased the universes during the ToP everyone from those universes disappeared even thou the teams weren't in those universes so it means that when he erase an universe he erase everything from that universe no matter what

Exactly why it would be so interesting, to me at least. How could there be a survivor from one of the erased universes if Zeno had been responsible? It shouldn't be possible. Idk, that seems immediately interesting to me.

[Yuji]

It actually is Toriyamas style to do follow-up storylines.

Not for Super. He's been distinctively in favor of self-contained stories in Super.

I honestly don't see the fundation / justification of this critique.
If Toriyama has done it enough in the past, why couldn't he simply do it again?
There are enough successful examples of this concept.
In this case it even does make sense, because the Moro arc has left some loose ends to tie.
The general appreciation for the Moro arc may even grow if placed into a bigger story.

I never said it was a critique? I merely said it feels like a Toyotarou original arc rather than Toriyama's own story concept.