Why are they refusing to create a female main villain?

[DestructoDisc]

Back when Z was airing I could understand why there weren't any, but when it comes to modern Dragon Ball I just really don't get it. We don't live in the 90s anymore. Plenty amount of mangas that came out in the past decade and were targeted for boys gave good treatment to the female characters. Look at Attack On Titan for example. Nobody complains about it having female characters that can kick ass. Nobody. Not even a single soul. Or look at a manga that came out in the 2000s: Soul Eater. Many badass female characters, both antagonists and protagonists. Heck the main character herself was a female, and no boy gave a shit, they still loved the manga.

Even Naruto, one of the most infamous mangas of all times because of how it treated its female characters made its final big bad a woman. NARUTO. So why can't Dragon Ball Super give us a canon female main villain? Don't come at me saying only boys read this manga. That's false. Plenty amount of females watched and still watch this series. The few female antagonists Z had all ended up being well liked by the fans. 18, Mai, Fasha, even freaking Zangya who had no personality, none of these characters were disliked or looked down upon by the readers for being females. In fact, they all ended up being fairly well liked. Zangya is probably even more popular than Bojack himself for Pete's sake. The games made 2 female main villains, Towa and Android 21, and they both ended up being popular and well liked by the fans.

It just really annoys me. I think it would be really refreshing to finally have a female main villain, but for some reason they don't think the same way. Heck they also refuse to create female protagonists that can fight. The only one we have is 18, and she barely gets any screentime. I'm getting tired of the sausage fest.

[SupremeKai25]

Well they could always make Towa canon. She has a pretty good design and set of abilities, plus people have been asking for a Demon Realm arc since forever.

Towa would tie in nicely right now, since Moro was literally designed after the traditional representation of Satan/Demons. Just say that Moro was a demon sent by Towa to invade the ningen world and that she's mad that her servant died and wants revenge, or something like that.

[PurestEvil]

Back when Z was airing I could understand why there weren't any, but when it comes to modern Dragon Ball I just really don't get it. We don't live in the 90s anymore. Plenty amount of mangas that came out in the past decade and were targeted for boys gave good treatment to the female characters. Look at Attack On Titan for example. Nobody complains about it having female characters that can kick ass. Nobody. Not even a single soul. Or look at a manga that came out in the 2000s: Soul Eater. Many badass female characters, both antagonists and protagonists. Heck the main character herself was a female, and no boy gave a shit, they still loved the manga.

Even Naruto, one of the most infamous mangas of all times because of how it treated its female characters made its final big bad a woman. NARUTO. So why can't Dragon Ball Super give us a canon female main villain? Don't come at me saying only boys read this manga. That's false. Plenty amount of females watched and still watch this series. The few female antagonists Z had all ended up being well liked by the fans. 18, Mai, Fasha, even freaking Zangya who had no personality, none of these characters were disliked or looked down upon by the readers for being females. In fact, they all ended up being fairly well liked. Zangya is probably even more popular than Bojack himself for Pete's sake. The games made 2 female main villains, Towa and Android 21, and they both ended up being popular and well liked by the fans.

It just really annoys me. I think it would be really refreshing to finally have a female main villain, but for some reason they don't think the same way. Heck they also refuse to create female protagonists that can fight. The only one we have is 18, and she barely gets any screentime. I'm getting tired of the sausage fest.

This is actually a really good point. The only female antagonists we actually got were Mai and A18, both of whom were secondary and turned good.
(There was also Annin, but she was anime-exclusive).

[Super Murjin]

Maybe Grand Priest's wife? Where is she? Will she come back if she exists and be the next major menace?

[Polyphase Avatron]

Maybe Grand Priest's wife? Where is she? Will she come back if she exists and be the next major menace?

Are you sure such a character even exists?

Whis mistakenly thought Vegeta was pregnant, so maybe that means that male angels can give birth.

[theherodjl]

Probably because not many people desire to see a chick get bloodied up or have her body mutilated by Ki blasts. The only way it would pass is if a villainess happened to be a real scumbag that made Freeza look like a saint by comparison.

[SupremeKai25]

Probably because not many people desire to see a chick get bloodied up or have her body mutilated by Ki blasts. The only way it would pass is if a villainess happened to be a real scumbag that made Freeza look like a saint by comparison.

I doubt that would happen. We've had female antagonists in the past and they were never injured in a graphic way. For example, this is how Kefla looked like at the end of her fight. She was covered in a few scratches and that's it, plus Super hardly ever shows blood:



This is an actual TV trope:

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ ... rTarnished

[theherodjl]

I doubt that would happen. We've had female antagonists in the past and they were never injured in a graphic way. For example, this is how Kefla looked like at the end of her fight. She was covered in a few scratches and that's it, plus Super hardly ever shows blood:



This is an actual TV trope:

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ ... rTarnished

She's not a villainess though. Also, the fandom has had a more or less positive response to the female Saiyans so there's little reason to put them through the wringer even if they wanted a more-violent fight. What I'm talking about is a real cut-throat villainess that the viewer would absolutely find repugnant and want to see be injured in a graphic way.

[SupremeKai25]

She's not a villainess though. Also, the fandom has had a more or less positive response to the female Saiyans so there's little reason to put them through the wringer even if they wanted a more-violent fight. What I'm talking about is a real cut-throat villainess that the viewer would absolutely find repugnant and want to see be injured in a graphic way.

D-Does that happen? Well that's creepy. I mean, I can find a villain evil/crazy, but I would never wish a graphic/gory death upon them... I'd definitely find that gross, and I don't like seeing gross things. I'm easily grossed out.

Well regardless that's already been done in Dragon Ball too. Future Android 18 had a pretty gruesome death, as she was literally blown to pieces, but regardless it wasn't made too graphic, as you only see dust. So even if Super got a female main villain, she 100% wouldn't go through anything graphic.

There would definitely be NO mutilation from ki blasts or anything like that.

[sunsetshimmer]

I think DB lacks female characters overall. I know it's mainly a boy show, but still, if we got any female protagonist, it mostly wasn't really a fighter. The only ones were #18 (mostly Super 17 and ToP arcs) and GT Pan but even them were always more like a supporting role.

With villains or antagonists in general, female characters are also mostly a sidekicks. Ignoring games, i think Kefla was the closest to be female antagonist on her own, but still not really a villain, and characters like Mai, Zangya or Oceanus Shenron were more like sidekicks. We could argue with future #18 being one of two main villains but that's it. Even in Red Ribbon Army we had some girls but none of them were really important compared to Red, Black or Blue.

Towa really is interesting character. Too bad she only exists in games.

[Jord]

Wrong!

We got Android 21 as main (female) villain in FighterZ

[DestructoDisc]

Wrong!

We got Android 21 as main (female) villain in FighterZ

She isn't canon tho. Plus I already mentioned her and Towa in the post.

[Jord]

Wrong!

We got Android 21 as main (female) villain in FighterZ

She isn't canon tho. Plus I already mentioned her and Towa in the post.

Who cares what is canon or not? Seriously.
What does it actually matter if it's canon or not?

They are main Dragon Ball villains in big Dragon Ball projects. That should be more than enough proof they are willing to try female villains.

[jjgp1112]

Refusing and not caring aren't the same thing.

[sunsetshimmer]

Wrong!

We got Android 21 as main (female) villain in FighterZ

She isn't canon tho. Plus I already mentioned her and Towa in the post.

Who cares what is canon or not? Seriously.
What does it actually matter if it's canon or not?

They are main Dragon Ball villains in big Dragon Ball projects. That should be more than enough proof they are willing to try female villains.

While i agree that restricting it to straight canon is pointless, they are still game characters and i believe people would prefer to see such characters in actual show, even in SDBH anime. Towa appeared in it but wasn't really doing anything. We got Kamin obviously but she was sidekick of Hearts and not a main villain. Maybe if Hearts was a girl it would've been better.

[ChronoTwigger]

If the genre doesn't matter... why people complain that instead should matter?

Now, you compared demi-real shonen to DragonBall.
You got asexual green aliens. The only fighting girl is not a girl. Then you have a marshmellow guy, two shouting aliens competing for nothing, a zen monk, a doll, a talking pig, a flying cat, a talking cat and an androgynous angel. They fought in order just in DBS:
Each others
An alien beast
An alien bear
The cousin of the alien beast
A robot
The underaged cousin of Vegeta (later compensated by 2 females conuterparts)
Another alien
Twice an asexual being that got a sausage by mistake
A gelatine Vegeta
Three furries
An uncanny number of people including blobbo, robbo, grey the grey, walrus man, rabbit man, random aliens that look other random aliens and guess what? Some female opponent.
An asexual android
A goat.

Now, TO ME, and maybe I'm wrong, there aren't males around opposed to females. There is a lot of strange stuff. And as long as you don't make a PINK Freeza, or a tit robot, or a clearly gayish rabbit, the chance to sexualize characters is very poor.

[UpFromTheSkies]

The target audience of Dragon Ball was originally boys, so of course the main characters are all males for them to easily identify with, but that seems to be changing with the recent introduction of quite a few strong female characters, so I think we'll see a female villian soon.

[Cipher]

I doubt that would happen. We've had female antagonists in the past and they were never injured in a graphic way. For example, this is how Kefla looked like at the end of her fight. She was covered in a few scratches and that's it, plus Super hardly ever shows blood...

... No one gets more than scratches in the Super TV series though, as you point out. Have you read the same character's fight in the manga? She's plenty bloodied up, along with Gohan, by the end.

Re: Thread: I don't know. Feels like there should have been one by now. I was also a bit surprised by the lack of any female fighters in the Universe 6 arc, although the Universal Survival arc corrects for it. I don't sense that the series has any sentiments about female fighters or female villains being off limits, as we've had plenty in supporting roles. Just none in the main-antagonist slot.

[DragonBallFoodie]

But they did, with Androids 18 and 21. And there have been enough minor female villains: Zangya, Hasky, Princess Snake, etc.

[SupremeKai25]

I doubt that would happen. We've had female antagonists in the past and they were never injured in a graphic way. For example, this is how Kefla looked like at the end of her fight. She was covered in a few scratches and that's it, plus Super hardly ever shows blood...

... No one gets more than scratches in the Super TV series though, as you point out. Have you read the same character's fight in the manga? She's plenty bloodied up, along with Gohan, by the end.

No, I haven't, and I'm not eager to. I'm really not a fan of bloody scenes in general. Everyone around here always complains that Super "is not blood/gory enough", but I can do without all the graphic scenes to be honest.