"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[theherodjl]

So...I'm guessing that Moro's life force became bound to 7-3's jewel upon eating him? That's an interesting side effect.
Does anyone else have a suspicion that Moro isn't completely gone though? Like his consciousness retreated deep into 7-3's make up(or perhaps even the Earth) sort of like how Dai Kaioshin is buried within Boo?

[Kagari]

Why didn't the other Z fighters get medals?

Sadly not important enough.

I don't know why anybody wants anybody to join the Z fighters everybody who joins becomes irrelevant to the plot. Just look at 17, no MVP 17 moments throughout this entire arc. and he was not even shown for a second in the Broly movie and he was not even shown giving his energy to Goku for the UI avatar thing.

When you become a Z fighter, you pretty much sign a license to be irrelevant in the future.

Toyotarou could have easily chose to use 17 as much as Gohan and Piccolo (both of which had some great team up fights) but he did not. That's on him, and I get the impression that Toyo doesn't care much for 17 anyway as he didn't do much with him in his version of the US arc either outside of what was presumably mandated in the outline.

[PurestEvil]

Merus is alive and that's not cool. A new character like him could easily stay dead.

Okay, I may not have read the actual manga (yet), but judging from my knowledge of its events in the last couple of chapters, WHAT THE FUCK. The ONE time death was a major consequence, and it was fucking REVERSED?
Red Bard was right all along, death means nothing in Shounen/jo.

[Matches Malone]

The ONE time death was a major consequence, and it was fucking REVERSED?

That's modern DB for you, all hype and build up with 0 pay off.

[TKA]

So Toriyama wrote a draft for this arc. Hopefully it's a substantial improvement over that Moro shit. Moro and his arc was the nadir of the manga.

[PurestEvil]

The ONE time death was a major consequence, and it was fucking REVERSED?

That's modern DB for you, all hype and build up with 0 pay off.

Is reading the manga worth it at this point?

[Matches Malone]

Is reading the manga worth it at this point?

Is it worth investing in financially ? I don't think so, at least IMO. That's not to say I won't if things improve in the future, but as things stand now, it's only good for a single read once a month for free on Manga Plus.

[Lionel]

I'm a tad bit disgruntled at the lack of commendation for the draftees who fought against Moro and his group. You have Buu there and he was the original selected operative for handling Moro but far as anyone knows his participation ended after the debacle on Namek unless it was explained off-screen what Dai Kaioshin through Buu was doing behind the scenes.

So far this arc is starting off with a premise that's up in the air. I agree with the others. We don't know enough yet to make a definitive choice on its subject matter and the quality of the writing. I'll admit that rehashing Seven-Three doesn't bode well for what we're going to be privy to. Hopefully this Granola character is able to make a good impression himself. If you want my first impression of him, he reminds me of Tapion for some reason. I could certainly be wrong.

[PurestEvil]

it's only good for a single read once a month for free on Manga Plus.

...is that legal?

EDIT: Nevermind, thanks for the tip

[SupremeKai25]

We know absolutely nothing about Freeza's backstory. What you wrote is literally a basic outiline that every villain has, even Moro (an evil wizard from ancient times who ended up having his magical power sealed by the Kaisohin, and then being arrested by the galactic patrol). Even Cell just wanted to become perfect and test his limits, nothing groundbraking

As I already said, we know where their powers come from. Why is Frieza so strong? Because he is a prodigy. Why does he have multiple forms? To better control his overwhelming powers. Why is Cell so strong? Because he is a mixture of the mightiest warriors in the universe. Brief or not, it is a backstory.

Why can Moro absorb people and eat planets?

Do not try to answer this question, there is no answer.

"Because he's a prodigy" isn't really a backstory. It's a cop-out, not much better than saying "he's strong just because he's strong". Nostalgia is clearly fogging your judgment.

Nostalgia? I prefer Super to Z LOL, you picked the wrong person to accuse of nostalgia, and besides that explanation was introduced in RoF. That explanation is sufficient because, even in real life, there are indeed prodigies who are just smarter/better at something than everyone else.

Evidently Toriyama felt he needed to explain how this lowly mortal could match the Super Saiyan of Gods, that's why he came up with this brief backstory for Frieza. He never trained once in his life and was already Super Saiyan level, so naturally once he started training rigorously every week, he'd match an even higher level. It's a simple backstory, perhaps, but it works.

[PurestEvil]

We know absolutely nothing about Freeza's backstory.

Um, did you not watch the DBS Broly film? I am pretty sure that gave enough of Freeza's backstory, not that he actually needed a complete one in the first place...

[TheSaiyanGod]

We know absolutely nothing about Freeza's backstory.

Um, did you not watch the DBS Broly film? I am pretty sure that gave enough of Freeza's backstory, not that he actually needed a complete one in the first place...

What DBS Broly showed is no different than what DB Minus had shown us before. We still don't know anything about the origins of Freeza, his race and even the extent of his family. And I'm not saying he needs it, I'm just responding to what SupremeKai25 said about Toriyama always creating background stories for his villains, when in the original manga we knew even less about Freeza.

[Mister_Popo]

This chapter does not mention enough about the new arc to say something relevant about it.
But Merus being brought back in this fashion at the ending of the Moro arc feels pretty unrewarding within the context of his sacrifice.
As good guys rarely stay dead, I had still preferred his return somewhere in the next arc(s), with a better explaination.
This 'resurrection' had a corny vibe to it. I mean, it basically cannot be slapped more directly in our faces than this: 'look guys, he IS back, don't you worry, protagonists simply cannot die in Dragon Ball! '

[UpFromTheSkies]

The ONE time death was a major consequence, and it was fucking REVERSED?

It's Dragon Ball, what did you expect? Important characters are ALWAYS brought back, no matter how big a deal was made out of them dying. Look at Majin Vegeta and all the dramatic build up to his self sacrifice, and he's alive.

[DiscountDabi]

So, the whole supreme kai giving his life for Merus is really weird given shin litterally didnt do anything for the whole arc. It would have made more sense for the Grand Supreme Kai to do it before he became Buu again. Could have had a little reunion between Shin and the Grand Supreme Kai aswell.

[Matches Malone]

It's Dragon Ball, what did you expect? Important characters are ALWAYS brought back, no matter how big a deal was made out of them dying. Look at Majin Vegeta and all the dramatic build up to his self sacrifice, and he's alive.

Merus isn't in the same category, he is someone who they could get away with killing.

[Hugo Boss]

I’m just a little confused by why Majin Boo isn’t retaining the memories of the Grand Kaioshin right now. When he fought Moro, those memories seemed to be very strong. Maybe this is a hypnosis collateral effect?

[Tai Lung]

Things to add ....
I'm happy that the moro arc was over ... and certainly as I predicted merus is so mary sue that he is not even allowed to die everything related to this character is terrible ...

now ....
-the worst ... hate to 73 is a copie of hit with recolor ...
-the comedy is great I must admit ... I hate beerus in the manga so that punishment makes me funny
-the best of all this that they have said "another universe" finally !! we are moving from the incoherent and boring universe 7 has definitely been the best of the manga this year

[Kagari]

Things to add ....
I'm happy that the moro arc was over ... and certainly as I predicted merus is so mary sue that he is not even allowed to die everything related to this character is terrible ...

now ....
-the worst ... hate to 73 is a copie of hit with recolor ...
-the comedy is great I must admit ... I hate beerus in the manga so that punishment makes me funny
-the best of all this that they have said "another universe" finally !! we are moving from the incoherent and boring universe 7 has definitely been the best of the manga this year

It's still universe 7.

[Tai Lung]

Things to add ....
I'm happy that the moro arc was over ... and certainly as I predicted merus is so mary sue that he is not even allowed to die everything related to this character is terrible ...

now ....
-the worst ... hate to 73 is a copie of hit with recolor ...
-the comedy is great I must admit ... I hate beerus in the manga so that punishment makes me funny
-the best of all this that they have said "another universe" finally !! we are moving from the incoherent and boring universe 7 has definitely been the best of the manga this year

It's still universe 7.

Spoiler:

Apparently I saw a translation error and from comments related here I thought users were referring to "another universe" but anyway something unfortunate ...