Grimlock wrote: Fri Dec 25, 2020 12:09 pm
PurestEvil wrote: Thu Dec 24, 2020 12:46 pmI may not be "smart" enough for this timey wimey talk, but I am pretty sure that what you said would make a Grandfather paradox, which would not be explained well with the internal logic of the story.
I also don't understand much about these paradox/time travel, my thing is Multiverse and alternate dimensions, so much easier to understand (and more insteresting too!).
The "grandfather" is the one you probably are your own grandfather, isn't? I think that suits might Bardock's case better (if you consider Episode of Bardock). The difference between his case and Cell's is what the series shown us. Cell wouldn't have anything to do with the other Cell. If present timeline's Cell were to "hatch", there would be two Cells. The future timeline, since it's altered, also wouldn't have anything to do with the present and original timeline. I'm certainly missing something, but so far, I think this makes sense.
Bardock's case is an example of the Bootstrap paradox, not the Grandfather paradox
-Bootstrap:
explained by The Doctor bc I don't have time for this
-Grandfather: If you went back in time and killed your grandfather when he was a child, he would not be able to bear your father, and you would cease to exist. However, if you cease to exist, then your grandfather is not killed by you, and then can bear your father, bringing you back into existence, which leads to you killing your grandfather again.
Cell goes back in time because he kills Trunks. However, Trunks goes to his time and kills Cell before he time travels. If both Cells are the same exact Cell, then Cell does not go back in time, therefore all the events regarding Cell should be erased, including Goku dying and Gohan's SSJ2 transformation.
Both of those things are still in the current timeline's continuity.
Therefore, what you propose COULD NOT have happened. This is why I chose to subscribe to Qamaan's timeline theory, because it makes the most sense.
Grimlock wrote: Fri Dec 25, 2020 12:09 pm
PurestEvil wrote: Thu Dec 24, 2020 12:46 pmThe cell we know showed up sometime during the time of the saiyan saga (I didn't track the years, sorry), which is how that timeline split from the original one. Future Trunks showed up to kill Freeza, creating another split. Therefore, Cell should have been in both timelines that we know of.
No, Cell arrived in AGE 763, one year before Trunks (and one year after Freeza saga), and he himself stated this. That's when the first split happened, because in the future, it was Goku who killed Freeza and King Cold, that's the first difference that sets the future and present timelines apart. I... don't think it's possible to be in two timelines at the same time.
When Trunks time travelled to kill Freeza, it created a new timeline, and all the Z fighters exist in both timelines in the three year period...so yeah, it is possible in this story's internal logic.
Grimlock wrote: Fri Dec 25, 2020 12:09 pm
PurestEvil wrote: Thu Dec 24, 2020 12:46 pmI mean, he could have also known that from his dying friend who was killed by Dodoria. I do agree with DB- handling it poorly, though at least DBS: Broly had a somewhat more believable reason (comparably) for Bardock to be suspicious.
That's assuming some stuff from the TV Special still takes place during Dragon Ball Minus (and it had better it does, because there's no Bardock without headband). If it does, yeah, Bardock knowing from Toma would be a more satisfying way too.
I was referring strictly to Bardock: Father of Goku. I meant to say, instead of the future-seeing thing, Bardock could have been told by the dying Toma about Freeza's plans.
