Why are they refusing to create a female main villain?

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Re: Why are they refusing to create a female main villain?

Post by Matches Malone » Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:04 am

Jord wrote: Sat Dec 26, 2020 5:01 amWhy? Because a vocal minority wants to? It's doing financially very good as it's doing now.
Because it could do potentially even better. Look how much more successful DB became when Toriyama changed things up back in the Saiyan and Namek arcs.

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Re: Why are they refusing to create a female main villain?

Post by Neo-Makaiōshin » Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:33 am

Jord wrote: Sat Dec 26, 2020 5:01 amWhy? Because a vocal minority wants to? It's doing financially very good as it's doing now. (Barring COVID-related financial setbacks this year)
And it could be doing even better both financially and creatively, what's the issue in wanting DB to do better than is already doing?
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Re: Why are they refusing to create a female main villain?

Post by Matches Malone » Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:50 am

Neo-Makaiōshin wrote: Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:33 amWhat's the issue in wanting DB to do better than is already doing?
I've been asking this for a few years now. It seems like fans are satisfied with the absolute bare minimum, which is very unfortunate as this franchise can be so much better than it currently is.

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Re: Why are they refusing to create a female main villain?

Post by Peach » Sat Dec 26, 2020 2:55 pm

I just want to remind people that Dragon Ball Super is only one component of this massive franchise.

Android 21 and Towa have been extremely important villains in recent years.

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Re: Why are they refusing to create a female main villain?

Post by ankokudaishogun » Sat Dec 26, 2020 4:34 pm

Matches Malone wrote: Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:50 am
Neo-Makaiōshin wrote: Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:33 amWhat's the issue in wanting DB to do better than is already doing?
I've been asking this for a few years now.
The old adage "if isn't broken, do not fix it".
ESPECIALLY in something as formulaic as DB, which made its fortune on its being formulaic.

Adding the so-called "female touch" and "female prospective"(which means nothing whatsoever by the way unless we talking about ultra-realistic day-by-day settings and characters) in an attempt to bring in new viewers\consumers pone a potentially sizeable risk to alienate the CURRENT viewers\consumers resulting into a net negative.

Cfr: the utter failure of similar attempts by Marvel and DC, which even already had a solid history of female authors and characters: comes out most of those who have potential interest in their franchises were already readers\buyers and those claiming for more "representation" don't actually BUY stuff. Meanwhile, longstanding consumers felt betrayed by the sudden change of direction which often came not as "added" to the already present titles, but replacing them.

Obviously, the actual quality of the content should be taken into consideration.

That said, it's known there is an interest among the DB consumers for more female characters.
And DB did good by first adding them as characters in side-materials(Towa and #21), thus managing to evaluate their impact and reception, before start adding them to the main narrative(Kale, Caulifla, the various ToP characters and now the female criminals in the Moro arc)

it's also important to remember the Moms: they don't like seeing girls being hurt on TV. It's one of the reasons Pretty Cure toned down the violence.

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Re: Why are they refusing to create a female main villain?

Post by JulieYBM » Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:10 am

"Poor depictions of women in media is okay if its financially successful, LOL"

Jesus fucking Christ.
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Re: Why are they refusing to create a female main villain?

Post by Psajdak » Sun Dec 27, 2020 3:29 am

@JulieYBM Regardless of what anyone says, one thing is certain, what you wish to see will never happen in DB.

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Re: Why are they refusing to create a female main villain?

Post by Jord » Sun Dec 27, 2020 5:54 am

JulieYBM wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:10 am "Poor depictions of women in media is okay if its financially successful, LOL"

Jesus fucking Christ.
It's a company. Making money is more important than doing what is "okay" in your eyes.

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Post by ankokudaishogun » Sun Dec 27, 2020 3:40 pm

JulieYBM wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:10 am "Poor depictions of women in media is okay if its financially successful, LOL"
it's capitalism, baby.
and I would argue DB doesn't do much of a good work depicting men, either.

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Re: Why are they refusing to create a female main villain?

Post by JulieYBM » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:20 am

ankokudaishogun wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 3:40 pm
JulieYBM wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:10 am "Poor depictions of women in media is okay if its financially successful, LOL"
it's capitalism, baby.
and I would argue DB doesn't do much of a good work depicting men, either.
Yeah, Toriyama can't write men and more men--especially cishet men--should probably give a shit about that.
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Re: Why are they refusing to create a female main villain?

Post by Soppa Saia People » Mon Dec 28, 2020 1:49 am

oh my god sun and moon sakuga is so sick.
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Re: Why are they refusing to create a female main villain?

Post by Jord » Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:40 am

JulieYBM wrote: Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:20 am
ankokudaishogun wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 3:40 pm
JulieYBM wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:10 am "Poor depictions of women in media is okay if its financially successful, LOL"
it's capitalism, baby.
and I would argue DB doesn't do much of a good work depicting men, either.
Yeah, Toriyama can't write men and more men--especially cishet men--should probably give a shit about that.
Most men have more important things to give a shit about in their lives than how a character in cartoon written for Japanese boys is written.

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Re: Why are they refusing to create a female main villain?

Post by JulieYBM » Mon Dec 28, 2020 2:10 pm

Soppa Saia People wrote: Mon Dec 28, 2020 1:49 am oh my god sun and moon sakuga is so sick.
The number of funny faces and character acting cuts really made my week each week. You can literally feel the heat of the fire of the animators' souls as they poured their being into each episode.
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Re: Why are they refusing to create a female main villain?

Post by Ilikepictures-meh » Wed Dec 30, 2020 12:49 am

Peach wrote: Sat Dec 26, 2020 2:55 pm I just want to remind people that Dragon Ball Super is only one component of this massive franchise.

Android 21 and Towa have been extremely important villains in recent years.
Exactly, Towa has been an issue for Goku and the gang for years in Dragon Ball Heroes.
Plus they introduced a good amount of female characters in the ToP. I'm kinda surprised we haven't seen more of them, along with the male characters of course in the ToP utilized more in Dragon Ball Heroes or Dokkan Battle.

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