Would Goku still be the Super Saiyan if he never met aliens and never left Earth?

[nickzambuto]

Would Goku still eventually reach Super Saiyan levels of power if he lived his whole life on Earth thinking he was a human? I know fighting aliens pushed him to accelerate his growth a lot, but given his whole lifetime, surely he would have eventually achieved the type of power that he was always destined to, right?

If Raditz never appeared, Goku still find higher gods to train with? Or would he not seek them out?

[Lord Frieza]

Well that depends on a lot of Factors.

Being a big fish in a small pond, as Goku was on earth, is not conducive to big leaps in growth. Without Raditz he would never have died and trained with King Kai, never learned out gravity training, never learned of his saiyan heritage nor get involved in the hard won battles against Vegeta and Ginyu that would lead to him obtaining the powered needed to challenge Freeza.

He had only Piccolo as a rival and without anyone to fuse with or any training from King Kai, Piccolo’s own growth is not going to improve much either.

Now we can make lots of speculation, such as what if Piccolo ended up killing Goku anyway? How will not going to space affect Gero and the Android’s development? Will they be weaker and will Goku be able to beat them without all his Saiyan/Freeza arc growth? Will that push him to Super Saiyan? It’s impossible to say.

[Lionel]

I agree that so many variables and divergences from the original event sequence would have to be accounted for when painting a picture of this new world. What we could certifiably conclude is that the Z-Warriors would be significantly weaker than how they turned out when confronted by impetuses that prompted them to improve for survival. Piccolo would remain the ever rushing forward rival hoping to devise some means of getting the upper hand against Goku.

The best opportunity for attaining the Super Saiyan form would involve Gero and his cyborg initiative. If Goku were to survive until that point and if he could survive an encounter against them then subsequently resolves to use the ROSAT then they may reach the threshold for unlocking SSJ. It's a slim possibility and would require conditions like Goku still being alive without the virus having claimed him, an emotional trauma propelling him into that transformed state, and his power escalating to the point where he is able to evolve forward to that state.

You could describe this timeline as being fairly uneventful as it was thanks to the Saiyan incursion and Goku's previously unknown past that helped to springboard the characters onto this new chessboard with galactic and even universal level pawns and players. Remove all of these pawns and players then you're left with the domestic level challenges and experiences of Earth.

[nickzambuto]

I agree that so many variables and divergences from the original event sequence would have to be accounted for when painting a picture of this new world. What we could certifiably conclude is that the Z-Warriors would be significantly weaker than how they turned out when confronted by impetuses that prompted them to improve for survival. Piccolo would remain the ever rushing forward rival hoping to devise some means of getting the upper hand against Goku.

The best opportunity for attaining the Super Saiyan form would involve Gero and his cyborg initiative. If Goku were to survive until that point and if he could survive an encounter against them then subsequently resolves to use the ROSAT then they may reach the threshold for unlocking SSJ. It's a slim possibility and would require conditions like Goku still being alive without the virus having claimed him, an emotional trauma propelling him into that transformed state, and his power escalating to the point where he is able to evolve forward to that state.

You could describe this timeline as being fairly uneventful as it was thanks to the Saiyan incursion and Goku's previously unknown past that helped to springboard the characters onto this new chessboard with galactic and even universal level pawns and players. Remove all of these pawns and players then you're left with the domestic level challenges and experiences of Earth.

If Goku died from the heart virus Bulma would still make a time machine. She doesn't need anything to change for her to do that. So either old Bulma or someone else would still come back in time and give a version of this Goku the medicine.

[DragonBallFoodie]

Maybe Frieza would have probably come to Earth eventually, and then the prophecy might have been fulfilled.

But Goku would need to encounter aliens, either on Earth or off it, for him to become the Super Saiyan.

[Hellspawn28]

Probably not seeing that he would have meet North Kai and would never train on a higher level of gravity. Goku would still have died from the heart virus anyways.

[Lord Frieza]

Probably not seeing that he would have meet North Kai and would never train on a higher level of gravity. Goku would still have died from the heart virus anyways.

Thats another intreasting point, would Goku even get the heart virus? While Trunks said it would start appearing not long befor the androids showed up, yet we learn nothing more after that. Goku also suffers from it later then he originally was supposed to due to Trunk's effect on the timeline.

[Hellspawn28]

It sounds like Goku got the virus somewhere on Earth. Even if he didn't, I doubt he will stand a chance against #17 and #18.

[Peach]

It really depends if he got the heart virus or not. I'm still not sure if it was something from Yardrat or Namek with a long incubation period or what.

If he never got the virus, i'm sure watching his friends die from the Androids could trigger him.

If Future Gohan never died and traveled back in time, he could teach it to Goku.

[Anonymous Friend]

It sounds like Goku got the virus somewhere on Earth. Even if he didn't, I doubt he will stand a chance against #17 and #18.

Would Gero have even bothered with 17 and 18 if events caused by the arrival of the saiyans had not happened? The only reason Goku got as strong as he did was because Raditz severely outclassed him, the two more were coming who were even stronger. Gero kept monitoring everything and saw how even stronger Goku got when he came back to life and adjusted for further growth.

But if Goku never died to Raditz encounter Gero could have used a lower number to do the job. Or if Goku ever stayed dead, Gero has no motivation.

[Hellspawn28]

Gero still wants revenage on Goku for destroying the RR Army. #17 and #18 would still exist, but probably be weaker than their main timeline counterparts.

[Psajdak]

Goku got virus because Trunks said he will get it.
It's Trunks' fault.

Also, in movies Goku is fine all the time.

[Steven Bloodriver]

Would Goku still eventually reach Super Saiyan levels of power if he lived his whole life on Earth thinking he was a human? I know fighting aliens pushed him to accelerate his growth a lot, but given his whole lifetime, surely he would have eventually achieved the type of power that he was always destined to, right?

If Raditz never appeared, Goku still find higher gods to train with? Or would he not seek them out?

Yes, Son Goku would have been able to achieve the Super Saiyan transformation, as it would have been a matter of time until Son Goku would have been forced to defend himself, his family, friends, and the rest of all life on Planet Earth from Piccolo Junior.

With the long-awaited rematch in-between Son Goku and Piccolo Junior being the very reason as to why Son Goku would have been able to achieve Wrathful Saiyan, False Super Saiyan, or even the actual form of Super Saiyan itself from Piccolo Junior pushing Son Goku so hard in their very own said fight that Son Goku would have ascended from Piccolo Junior straight up trying to incapacitate or even outright trying to kill Son Goku throughout Son Goku and Piccolo Junior's entire fight, especially when the two of them would have stopped playing around with each other and would have taken off their very own respective Weighted Clothings in order to have fought each other as seriously as possible.

Which would have concluded with Son Goku achieving Wrathful Saiyan, False Super Saiyan, or Super Saiyan in order to have attained victory over Piccolo Junior, but with Son Goku and Piccolo Junior being left in even worse shape than they had been in their previous confrontation, that is in addition to Son Goku and Piccolo Junior's literal Earth-shaking battle outright destroying an entire Continent from Son Goku and Piccolo Junior using their very own respective most powerful moves against each other.

[nickzambuto]

Would Goku still eventually reach Super Saiyan levels of power if he lived his whole life on Earth thinking he was a human? I know fighting aliens pushed him to accelerate his growth a lot, but given his whole lifetime, surely he would have eventually achieved the type of power that he was always destined to, right?

If Raditz never appeared, Goku still find higher gods to train with? Or would he not seek them out?

Yes, Son Goku would have been able to achieve the Super Saiyan transformation, as it would have been a matter of time until Son Goku would have been forced to defend himself, his family, friends, and the rest of all life on Planet Earth from Piccolo Junior.

With the long-awaited rematch in-between Son Goku and Piccolo Junior being the very reason as to why Son Goku would have been able to achieve Wrathful Saiyan, False Super Saiyan, or even the actual form of Super Saiyan itself from Piccolo Junior pushing Son Goku so hard in their very own said fight that Son Goku would have ascended from Piccolo Junior straight up trying to incapacitate or even outright trying to kill Son Goku throughout Son Goku and Piccolo Junior's entire fight, especially when the two of them would have stopped playing around with each other and would have taken off their very own respective Weighted Clothings in order to have fought each other as seriously as possible.

Which would have concluded with Son Goku achieving Wrathful Saiyan, False Super Saiyan, or Super Saiyan in order to have attained victory over Piccolo Junior, but with Son Goku and Piccolo Junior being left in even worse shape than they had been in their previous confrontation, that is in addition to Son Goku and Piccolo Junior's literal Earth-shaking battle outright destroying an entire Continent from Son Goku and Piccolo Junior using their very own respective most powerful moves against each other.

Good response but Goku would never let this happen.

[Steven Bloodriver]

Would Goku still eventually reach Super Saiyan levels of power if he lived his whole life on Earth thinking he was a human? I know fighting aliens pushed him to accelerate his growth a lot, but given his whole lifetime, surely he would have eventually achieved the type of power that he was always destined to, right?

If Raditz never appeared, Goku still find higher gods to train with? Or would he not seek them out?

Yes, Son Goku would have been able to achieve the Super Saiyan transformation, as it would have been a matter of time until Son Goku would have been forced to defend himself, his family, friends, and the rest of all life on Planet Earth from Piccolo Junior.

With the long-awaited rematch in-between Son Goku and Piccolo Junior being the very reason as to why Son Goku would have been able to achieve Wrathful Saiyan, False Super Saiyan, or even the actual form of Super Saiyan itself from Piccolo Junior pushing Son Goku so hard in their very own said fight that Son Goku would have ascended from Piccolo Junior straight up trying to incapacitate or even outright trying to kill Son Goku throughout Son Goku and Piccolo Junior's entire fight, especially when the two of them would have stopped playing around with each other and would have taken off their very own respective Weighted Clothings in order to have fought each other as seriously as possible.

Which would have concluded with Son Goku achieving Wrathful Saiyan, False Super Saiyan, or Super Saiyan in order to have attained victory over Piccolo Junior, but with Son Goku and Piccolo Junior being left in even worse shape than they had been in their previous confrontation, that is in addition to Son Goku and Piccolo Junior's literal Earth-shaking battle outright destroying an entire Continent from Son Goku and Piccolo Junior using their very own respective most powerful moves against each other.

Good response but Goku would never let this happen.

Thank you, but I suppose that they would have taken their fight to an uninhabited Continent in order to not have placed anyone else's life at risk other than their very own.

[nickzambuto]

Yes, Son Goku would have been able to achieve the Super Saiyan transformation, as it would have been a matter of time until Son Goku would have been forced to defend himself, his family, friends, and the rest of all life on Planet Earth from Piccolo Junior.

With the long-awaited rematch in-between Son Goku and Piccolo Junior being the very reason as to why Son Goku would have been able to achieve Wrathful Saiyan, False Super Saiyan, or even the actual form of Super Saiyan itself from Piccolo Junior pushing Son Goku so hard in their very own said fight that Son Goku would have ascended from Piccolo Junior straight up trying to incapacitate or even outright trying to kill Son Goku throughout Son Goku and Piccolo Junior's entire fight, especially when the two of them would have stopped playing around with each other and would have taken off their very own respective Weighted Clothings in order to have fought each other as seriously as possible.

Which would have concluded with Son Goku achieving Wrathful Saiyan, False Super Saiyan, or Super Saiyan in order to have attained victory over Piccolo Junior, but with Son Goku and Piccolo Junior being left in even worse shape than they had been in their previous confrontation, that is in addition to Son Goku and Piccolo Junior's literal Earth-shaking battle outright destroying an entire Continent from Son Goku and Piccolo Junior using their very own respective most powerful moves against each other.

Good response but Goku would never let this happen.

Thank you, but I suppose that they would have taken their fight to an uninhabited Continent in order to not have placed anyone else's life at risk other than their very own.

I don't think there are any uninhabited continents

[Steven Bloodriver]

Good response but Goku would never let this happen.

Thank you, but I suppose that they would have taken their fight to an uninhabited Continent in order to not have placed anyone else's life at risk other than their very own.

I don't think there are any uninhabited continents

You do realize that the version of Planet Earth in the Dragon World is not the very exact same as our version of Planet Earth? As in there are dozens upon dozens of different places found all across the Dragon World's version of Earth that do not exist at all in the Real World's version of Earth.

[jjgp1112]

If he never meets King Kai I doubt he ever gets even close to that level. Introduction to gravity training + Kaio-Ken was what really opened things up for him.

[FoolsGil]

Maybe? It all depends on how factors would go against the Androids. Enough lives lost, the endless frustration, could maybe push him into the position to transform, though in the grand scheme of power, he still won't be strong enough to defeat the them.