Unpopular DB opinions

[MasenkoHA]

Dragon Ball Minus had some good ideas that are unfortunately undermined by ruining Bardock’s character and making Goku a direct parallel to Superman/Moses instead of a twist on the story.

[Grimlock]

Why is "ideas" in plural? Thought its goal was just to depict Goku being sent to Earth. Is there anything else other than that to Dragon Ball Minus?

[WittyUsername]

Minus is far too barebones of a story for me to agree with the notion that it had any good ideas. The story is literally just Bardock sending his kid to Earth so Freeza doesn’t kill him. There’s nothing more to it than that, other than getting to see Goku’s mom, who’s basically just a generic housewife.

[MasenkoHA]

Why is "ideas" in plural? Thought its goal was just to depict Goku being sent to Earth. Is there anything else other than that to Dragon Ball Minus?

1. Goku being 3 instead of an infant means it’s more believable his initial unruly behavior prior to his head injury was due to his environment and not just because Saiyans are genetically inclined to violent behavior


2. Gine being an anomaly as kind hearted Saiyans makes the nature vs nurture argument more ambiguous. Is Goku kind because of his mother or because of how Grandpa Gohan raised him? It’s like his love of fighting. Everyone seems to assume it’s his Saiyan genetics because Raditz and Vegeta say so but his Grandpa Gohan raised him to love fighting. Same application with is he predisposed to kindness because of Gine or because Grandpa Gohan raised him with all his memories of planet Vegeta wiped out

[Xeogran]

Shirtless Gohan-absorbed Buu looks so freaking cool and I don't like how he isn't playable in any game like this

Spoiler:

He has the smug aura around him, the longer antennae and pretty much differs from Super Buu just by looking at him. He would be a mandatory costume if it were me

[Grimlock]

1. Goku being 3 instead of an infant means it’s more believable his initial unruly behavior prior to his head injury was due to his environment and not just because Saiyans are genetically inclined to violent behavior

Does that really make a difference? Goku spent three years in a incubator and then went straight into a space pod. I don't think he had time to learn on being unruly from the envinronment.

2. Gine being an anomaly as kind hearted Saiyans makes the nature vs nurture argument more ambiguous. Is Goku kind because of his mother or because of how Grandpa Gohan raised him? It’s like his love of fighting. Everyone seems to assume it’s his Saiyan genetics because Raditz and Vegeta say so but his Grandpa Gohan raised him to love fighting. Same application with is he predisposed to kindness because of Gine or because Grandpa Gohan raised him with all his memories of planet Vegeta wiped out

My opinion, based solely on a single panel from Jaco, the Galactic Patrolman, is that Goku is kind because he hurt his head and was raised by Gohan. There is a panel in that manga which shows Goku featuring this "mean look" Saiyans have with the diagonal eyebrows and such. It's the one time we see Goku eating without smiling/being happy. Probably if we saw more of him in that time period, we wouldn't have questions about it.


As for your original post, I don't think those two ideas undermine anything. Goku's parallel to Superman is bad on its own, with or without them. I understand why people wouldn't like Bardock's portrayal, but fortunately it doesn't bother me. I always expected that if we were ever to see Bardock again by Toriyama, he would be different. Think I had always been prepared, and then came Dragon Ball Online, already depicting him as a loving father. So I had about four years until the release of Dragon Ball Minus to get used to it.

[sunsetshimmer]

Erasa and Sharpener should've appeared later in story, at least in anime. Especially Erasa. I always liked that character. They were not major characters, but they still got some cool screentime, especially in all those anime fillers in school which i absolutely loved. I wish either GT or Super once showed us Videl meeting with them, like both of them or just Erasa visiting Videl and meeting her daughter, perhaps include Gohan in it. They were all friends in school so they might still be in touch, especially in Super which takes place only few years after Buu saga. I think DB really misses that kind of slice of life moments. The same goes for not a single scene in GT of Pan and Bra, maybe even Marron, hanging out or even just talking with each other.

[MyVisionity]

Erasa and Sharpener should've appeared later in story, at least in anime. Especially Erasa. I always liked that character. They were not major characters, but they still got some cool screentime, especially in all those anime fillers in school which i absolutely loved. I wish either GT or Super once showed us Videl meeting with them, like both of them or just Erasa visiting Videl and meeting her daughter, perhaps include Gohan in it. They were all friends in school so they might still be in touch, especially in Super which takes place only few years after Buu saga. I think DB really misses that kind of slice of life moments. The same goes for not a single scene in GT of Pan and Bra, maybe even Marron, hanging out or even just talking with each other.

Agreed. Sharpner and Erasa could have appeared in more Boo saga filler, especially after the final battle before the epilogue. Or at least in a TV special or movie.

In Super they could have been married and neighbors/friends with Gohan and Videl.

[In Brightest Day]

Yajirobe being an untrained fighter and non Ki user is a bad opinion - it’s a classic “absence of evidence is not evidence of absence” situation. If Yajirobe was able to keep up with King Piccolo arc Son Goku in his very first appearance, then we can surmise that Yajirobe uses Ki and therefore was trained and had a master like all of the other main Earthling fighters.

[PurestEvil]

Yajirobe being an untrained fighter and non Ki user is a bad opinion - it’s a classic “absence of evidence is not evidence of absence” situation. If Yajirobe was able to keep up with King Piccolo arc Son Goku in his very first appearance, then we can surmise that Yajirobe uses Ki and therefore was trained and had a master like all of the other main Earthling fighters.

Do people actually think that Yajirobe is an untrained fighter? Like, I am pretty sure that you have to be trained to use a sword well enough to cut through a 2-meter thick Oozaru tail, throw huge ass boulders three times your size, and run faster than a kid who swam halfway around the globe in a day.

[DestructoDisc]

Agreed. Sharpner and Erasa could have appeared in more Boo saga filler, especially after the final battle before the epilogue. Or at least in a TV special or movie.

In Super they could have been married and neighbors/friends with Gohan and Videl.

Erasa is too good for someone like Sharpener. She deserves someone better. Gohan would've been perfect for her but he's taken now.

Speaking of ships, i'm not sure if this is unpopular or not (probably isn't) but any ship with Bulla in it is disgusting. I will never understand why some people ship her with Goten and ANDROID 17, like bro, those guys are way older than her. Ship her with someone close to her age.

[PurestEvil]

Speaking of ships, i'm not sure if this is unpopular or not (probably isn't) but any ship with Bulla in it is disgusting.

Ever heard of TrunksXPan?

[sunsetshimmer]

Agreed. Sharpner and Erasa could have appeared in more Boo saga filler, especially after the final battle before the epilogue. Or at least in a TV special or movie.

In Super they could have been married and neighbors/friends with Gohan and Videl.

Erasa is too good for someone like Sharpener. She deserves someone better. Gohan would've been perfect for her but he's taken now.

Speaking of ships, i'm not sure if this is unpopular or not (probably isn't) but any ship with Bulla in it is disgusting. I will never understand why some people ship her with Goten and ANDROID 17, like bro, those guys are way older than her. Ship her with someone close to her age.

I remember seeing some Bra x #17 arts and it doesn't make any sense. Shipping with Goten would make sense if the age gap was smaller, the same way people ship Pan and Trunks which is very popular ship. But #17? Why? Goten/Trunks dating Marron wouldn't be bad, gap is way smaller and Marron is already adult in GT i believe. Uub x Pan could work as well in few years.

[Alruneia]

Speaking of ships, i'm not sure if this is unpopular or not (probably isn't) but any ship with Bulla in it is disgusting. I will never understand why some people ship her with Goten and ANDROID 17, like bro, those guys are way older than her. Ship her with someone close to her age.

Just don't ship Bulla with anyone at all. She's never shown as older than 9 years old in any official media. She doesn't need to be put into any romantic situations at all. The shippings you mention are also directly pedophilic, so... you know. How about we, as a fandom, just don't do this kind of thing. I'll go full mama bear mode over this apparently

Ever heard of TrunksXPan?

Another directly pedophilic shipping. Are people just not aware of the characters' ages? Actually, I really hope that's what it is, rather than something more... intentional, to put it that way.

[In Brightest Day]

Yajirobe being an untrained fighter and non Ki user is a bad opinion - it’s a classic “absence of evidence is not evidence of absence” situation. If Yajirobe was able to keep up with King Piccolo arc Son Goku in his very first appearance, then we can surmise that Yajirobe uses Ki and therefore was trained and had a master like all of the other main Earthling fighters.

Do people actually think that Yajirobe is an untrained fighter? Like, I am pretty sure that you have to be trained to use a sword well enough to cut through a 2-meter thick Oozaru tail, throw huge ass boulders three times your size, and run faster than a kid who swam halfway around the globe in a day.

Yeah, it’s a surprisingly common opinion.

[Kinokima]

Speaking of ships, i'm not sure if this is unpopular or not (probably isn't) but any ship with Bulla in it is disgusting. I will never understand why some people ship her with Goten and ANDROID 17, like bro, those guys are way older than her. Ship her with someone close to her age.

Just don't ship Bulla with anyone at all. She's never shown as older than 9 years old in any official media. She doesn't need to be put into any romantic situations at all. The shippings you mention are also directly pedophilic, so... you know. How about we, as a fandom, just don't do this kind of thing. I'll go full mama bear mode over this apparently

Ever heard of TrunksXPan?

Another directly pedophilic shipping. Are people just not aware of the characters' ages? Actually, I really hope that's what it is, rather than something more... intentional, to put it that way.

I mean the writers of GT seemed not to be aware of Pan and Bra’s age the way they dressed and wrote them in the series either

[Cure Dragon 255]

Toei seems to love Pedolove. I know Julie, I think it was her, said to not take Toei as a monolith but the evidence is overwhelming.

[sunsetshimmer]

Toei seems to love Pedolove. I know Julie, I think it was her, said to not take Toei as a monolith but the evidence is overwhelming.

There were plenty of such scenes with Pan in GT. Like her breastfeeding or saying to not touch her in "weird places" to robots that ambushed her in elevator. Not to mention Dolltaki scenes.

[WittyUsername]

Speaking of ships, i'm not sure if this is unpopular or not (probably isn't) but any ship with Bulla in it is disgusting. I will never understand why some people ship her with Goten and ANDROID 17, like bro, those guys are way older than her. Ship her with someone close to her age.

Just don't ship Bulla with anyone at all. She's never shown as older than 9 years old in any official media. She doesn't need to be put into any romantic situations at all. The shippings you mention are also directly pedophilic, so... you know. How about we, as a fandom, just don't do this kind of thing. I'll go full mama bear mode over this apparently

Ever heard of TrunksXPan?

Another directly pedophilic shipping. Are people just not aware of the characters' ages? Actually, I really hope that's what it is, rather than something more... intentional, to put it that way.

I mean the writers of GT seemed not to be aware of Pan and Bra’s age the way they dressed and wrote them in the series either

For her part, Pan in GT does look her age, although the thing about her going on dates is weird for a 9-10 year old. The show also has an uncomfortable habit of doing weird things with Pan, like the Dolltaki situation. As for Bra, I have no clue why they had her dress and act the way she did, or why they had those teenagers/young adults casually hitting on her that one time.

I’m convinced that the reason FUNimation claimed that GT takes place 10 years later, rather than five, was just so the stuff with Pan and Bra would seem less weird.

[MyVisionity]

Yeah Yajirobe could easily be an "untrained fighter". Meaning that he was self-taught, no master necessary. He can do the things he does through a combination of inborn talent and real life training and experience in the wilderness. The guy certainly has been in some tough situations during his life, that's for sure. I doubt he ever was a Ki user though.

Bra is paired up with Goten/Trunks so often because she is likely supposed to be a teenager in GT. Despite any "official timeline/ages". Still a bit young for them, but no biggie. I also don't mind the dudes hitting on her in the car.

Pan might be a little younger, but I think she's good to go as far as dating is concerned. I agree about some of the weird situations in space though.