Demon King Piccolo survives fight with Goku

[coola]

(Based on one of what if stories i've read on fanfiction)

When Goku is about to attack Piccolo, despite him taking Tenshinhan as hostage, Piccolo get scared, and tells Goku, that if he dies, creator of Dragon Balls, God, will die with him, and there will be no way to revive anyone.

How much would story change, if Demon King Piccolo survived fight with Goku? I imagine 23rd Budokai part would go the same, assuming Piccolo will get as strong as Junior. But what's next? Will there be 5 years period of peace? Will he also change during training with Gohan?

[sunsetshimmer]

Since Piccolo Jr. was basically his reincarnation, he shouldn't be any more good than Piccolo Daimao could be. So i can assume that he could change as well even though it's hard to believe right now.

[Lionel]

A key difference which I feel needs to be pointed out is that Daimou represented the externalised manifestation of all humanity's darkness and evil festering inside the Child of Katas as he grew up in the remote tundra of Yunzabit Heights for 1-2 centuries. Piccolo Jr may be the reincarnation of Daimou but I think his prioritised interest in gaining revenge for the death of his father -- a personal and not altogether unjust sentiment to hold -- coupled with wanting to defeat Goku in a regulated environment may have planted a seed of moral ambiguity that could eventually lead to complete reformation by continual experience and influence from others like Gohan, Nail, and Goku himself.

Piccolo Jr was willing to explore avenues and dedicate his heart to things that I believe helped to distinguish him somewhat from his father. Daimou was set purely on the torment of humanity and revelling in it. Piccolo Jr did express wanting to pick up where his father left off originally but I think having a roadblock in his path like Goku allowed for there to be a shift in priorities -- even if it was directed towards a dubious notion like vengeance instead of wanton destruction.

Daimou isn't quite the same way. You still have that sordid history with the blood and affliction on his hands. Sure, he'll most certainly target Goku as his number one victim after having been forced into retreating by a "mere human". I just don't know if he would have the behavioural wherewithal to tolerate playing by the rules of a human event and then at the end having his life spared by the same hated enemy you've sworn to kill.

It's possible that Daimou could still come around to reforming into something better. You'll still have mutual adversaries like the Saiyans and the cyborgs that'll likely see him jumping into the same foxhole as Goku in order to take down the greater threat. Having Gohan trained up by him while Goku is in the afterlife could still pan out. You have even greater influence there.

What I will concede is that Daimou may not be so easily reformed, though I think by the time he starts contemplating merging with Kami he'll at least be at the same behavioural standard as late Saiyan or Freeza arcs.

[Peach]

If Piccolo Jr. can turn good, so can King Piccolo.

I can't imagine much would change if you replace Jr. with his father. They are literally the same being. King might be a little more outspoken and less stoic than Jr in terms of personality. And I suppose he'd have his old abilities like spitting out eggs. Hell, he might be able to create Dragon Balls after fusing with Kami. Being a dragon clan type and all. Eliminating the need for Dende.

[Lord Frieza]

Piccolo Jr is described as the reincarnation of King Piccolo, reincarnation is not the same as just coming back to life in a new body. At least in most cultures. The idea is that the soul/mind is given a new form and the opportunity to do better in this life if they learn. The idea is that you may start as a lower creature but if you learn in each life you can improve what manner of being you'll become, or if you don't you can be stuck in cycle for eternity or even get a down grade. Roughly speaking. In a way its a physical manifestation of personal growth.

Piccolo Jr. Is not King Piccolo. He may have his memories and soul, but he is also his own person with a different mind to his former self. They do not think the same way. Why that is is up to speculation. It's unlikely a contuse effort on King Piccolo's part as he would want to future self to do as he would, so it's more likely that Piccolo Jr. personality is either a biproduct of his birthing process or King Piccolo's attempt to make his future self a better warrior.

Possible, in making Piccolo Jr. a warrior he unintentional gave him better qualities at least at his core and thanks to Goku and Gohan these seeds could grow and allow the new demon king to find redemption. So like Frieza, King Piccolo's act to try and insure his power did good he never intended.

[PurestEvil]

If Piccolo Jr. can turn good, so can King Piccolo.

I can't imagine much would change if you replace Jr. with his father. They are literally the same being. King might be a little more outspoken and less stoic than Jr in terms of personality. And I suppose he'd have his old abilities like spitting out eggs. Hell, he might be able to create Dragon Balls after fusing with Kami. Being a dragon clan type and all. Eliminating the need for Dende.

It would be a terrible arc for King Piccolo to go through, undercutting the meaning of his character in the first place. Also, just because King Piccolo and Piccolo Jr. were created to be "pure evil" does not mean that both can be reformed.

[coola]

I forgot to mention, i think in Dragon Ball Dissection, Gaffer Tape/Lance mentioned, that one of reasons Piccolo Jr. got closer to Gohan, was how similar their fate was (Both lose father at very young age, and had to survive in wilderness alone). Also, would Goku still be able to train with Kaio-sama? If Demon King Piccolo was one to kill Goku, won't his soul stay on Earth, like other victims of Demon Clan?

[MasenkoHA]

(Based on one of what if stories i've read on fanfiction)

When Goku is about to attack Piccolo, despite him taking Tenshinhan as hostage, Piccolo get scared, and tells Goku, that if he dies, creator of Dragon Balls, God, will die with him, and there will be no way to revive anyone.

1. Piccolo killed Shen Long. Can’t really use that.

2. He technically survived by rebirthing himself as an egg. Piccolo Daimao =Piccolo Jr. There is no Daimao in hell.

[Peach]

If Piccolo Jr. can turn good, so can King Piccolo.

I can't imagine much would change if you replace Jr. with his father. They are literally the same being. King might be a little more outspoken and less stoic than Jr in terms of personality. And I suppose he'd have his old abilities like spitting out eggs. Hell, he might be able to create Dragon Balls after fusing with Kami. Being a dragon clan type and all. Eliminating the need for Dende.

It would be a terrible arc for King Piccolo to go through, undercutting the meaning of his character in the first place. Also, just because King Piccolo and Piccolo Jr. were created to be "pure evil" does not mean that both can be reformed.

King Piccolo actually cared when his offspring were killed. I could buy him forming an attachment to Gohan during training.

[PurestEvil]

If Piccolo Jr. can turn good, so can King Piccolo.

I can't imagine much would change if you replace Jr. with his father. They are literally the same being. King might be a little more outspoken and less stoic than Jr in terms of personality. And I suppose he'd have his old abilities like spitting out eggs. Hell, he might be able to create Dragon Balls after fusing with Kami. Being a dragon clan type and all. Eliminating the need for Dende.

It would be a terrible arc for King Piccolo to go through, undercutting the meaning of his character in the first place. Also, just because King Piccolo and Piccolo Jr. were created to be "pure evil" does not mean that both can be reformed.

King Piccolo actually cared when his offspring were killed. I could buy him forming an attachment to Gohan during training.

I mean, King Piccolo did not care when Piano or Drum were killed off, and I am pretty sure most of his concern over his children dying before was that it caused great physical pain to him (it should be noted that he was still too "weak" to mass produce offspring).
Moreover, Piccolo forming an attachment with Gohan strong enough for him to sacrifice himself to save him? Okay, maybe he would be upset, but I don't think he would have bothered himself to save Gohan.