"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

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Post by Gogeta SSJ Blue » Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:58 pm

Kinokima wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:54 pm
Jinto wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:22 pm I'm surprised that Frieza is keeping quiet about his revival although we already saw his army conquering a planet in the Broly movie :think:
Well I assume Granola has been asleep for some time

Also I can maybe see him not knowing about Goku but if he was aware of Frieza being killed wouldn’t he have been aware there were some Saiyans alive in Frieza’s army

Some of the information he has and doesn’t have seems strange to me

I assume Oatmeal may be relying some info to Granola and I guess Oatmeal’s intelligence is incomplete to say the least
You know, I think you might be right!

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Post by Ziegander » Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:09 pm

Still very intrigued by Granolah and glad to see he's not Tsufurian. Not sure why everyone is screaming Baby, especially given that we know Granolah is not a Tuffle. :think: That being said, if he's not a Tuffle, being so technologically inclined and having him be the survivor of a past Saiyan attack is... well it does seem a bit stale if I may force a cereal pun. He's got a cool design, his motivations are complex and interesting if he is indeed a villain, so that's all very cool, but, especially if that was Bardock in the flashback... I've got to wonder where they're trying to go with this.

Granolah has spent, I dunno, 40 years on the run from the Frieza force. In the last, what 7 to 8 years you'd think he's had some time to breathe, Frieza's been dead, the Saiyans long dead. So what's he been up to? Hopefully we find out, but how does that lead into the arc? As of right now, and I could be proven wrong in a week, Granolah doesn't seem to know that a few super-powerful Saiyans still exist or that Frieza has been brought back to life. He does know about OG-73, though? Confusing or perhaps I'm missing something. We still don't know why he wants 73 or why he attacked that other facility that was producing all those OG-72s, so perhaps with a bit more light shed on that we'll understand more. He also doesn't seem, at least to me, to be a man on a quest for vengeance. :eh:

What do you guys think Granolah wants with OG-73? If it's not related to some goal of revenge on characters he seems to think are dead, then perhaps it's got something to do with "other Cereal-jin" like him. It seems he's not the only survivor, so... hm, but how could OG-73 be of any assistance to the remaining cereal peeps except as either a giant battery or a programmed protector?

Man, I still cannot see where this arc could possibly be going, another "testament" to Toyo's capability with twists and surprises, but that always makes me leery. Generally when Toyo pulls out a twist it's either unsatisfying or bullshit or both. :lol:
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Post by Gogeta SSJ Blue » Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:00 pm

Sincerely, I don't see Granolah as a true villain!

But it will be indeed interesting to know his motivations about Saiyans and 73.

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Post by Magnificent Ponta » Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:09 pm

OrangeBanana wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:55 am Does 73 still have access to Moro's abilities? because if so I feel like that will play some vital part in the story.
I guess it depends what Ichi-go's scumbags meant by the 'data' OG73-I still has, and whether "capabilities" does just mean the abilities he copied - if so, then when Moro consumed him, he had Moro's abilities, Piccolo's abilities, and Gohan's abilities, and the latter was implicitly replaced by Vegeta's - though, Moro's 'back-up' could have been completely resolved by integration with Moro himself. I guess it also might depend on whether Merus's abilities are retained, and if so, whose they would replace.

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Post by precita » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:16 pm

Goku is the focus of this arc again? Man, when will they ever focus on one of the main characters who isn't the hero of the franchise for once.

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Post by OrangeBanana » Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:19 pm

Looking through the drafts again I am more inclined to believe this is going to be the last arc before the end of Z starts.
Everything from Goku mastering UI to Granola seemingly tying everything back up with his involvement with both the saiyans and Frieza plus the fish foreseeing something bad happening. All this to me screams CLIMAX at least for this segment of time.

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Post by GodVegetto91 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:32 pm

SupremeKai25 wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:16 am
GodVegetto91 wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:20 am I prefer the MODERN!

Not the ancient and primitive..

I prefer the stylish, the elegant, the divine, and the slim and skinny versions over their opposites!

I prefer the feminine.. over the masculine..! (in this specific case at least!)

No body hair > yes body hair.

No tail, more human-like > yes tail, more animalistic.

Goku Black, Zamasu, and the Angels are the perfect examples of what I’m looking for! As are SSJ God Goku and UI Goku!
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The Gods are elegant, divine, and beautiful. Very clearly a literal monkey man isn't elegant, divine, nor beautiful. So it makes 0 sense for a God transformation to have all this needless fur, tails, unkept hair, etc.

This is the image of elegant, divine, and beautiful:
Not a fucking half-naked animal like SS4.

Some people complain that "God forms are just recolours", but that is EXACTLY THE POINT. It's meant to be clean, so it's "just" a recolour. That's the point lol. It wouldn't be clean if it added a layer of fur, 10 tails, no eyebrows, weird hair, etc. would it?

It's not a secret that simplicity is more elegant than 20 different elements splattered all over something.
Yes!

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Post by Alruneia » Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:49 pm

precita wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:16 pm Goku is the focus of this arc again? Man, when will they ever focus on one of the main characters who isn't the hero of the franchise for once.
I can't really tell if you're making a joke, so I'll just answer as if you aren't: We're very unlikely to ever get an arc that doesn't mostly revolve around Goku. Not because it's impossible or anything, but because that's just how Super gets written. The other characters will always get their moments, especially Vegeta, but Goku will continue to play the main part, organically or otherwise.
OrangeBanana wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:19 pm Looking through the drafts again I am more inclined to believe this is going to be the last arc before the end of Z starts.
It would be great if that was the case, since this is the 9th story in the same general time period (starting with Yo! Son Goku as the 1st), but I don't think it's going to be. At the very least I'd say it's still too early to draw any conclusions about it. There are reasons to believe that we are eventually going to get somewhere, for example that Goku has indeed mastered UI and can use it at will now, but there could still be like 6 more story arcs before EoZ despite that.
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Post by Trouser » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:02 pm

precita wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:16 pm Goku is the focus of this arc again? Man, when will they ever focus on one of the main characters who isn't the hero of the franchise for once.
Ikr. How could they use the protagonist at all? Outrageous.
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Post by Kinokima » Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:30 pm

precita wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:16 pm Goku is the focus of this arc again? Man, when will they ever focus on one of the main characters who isn't the hero of the franchise for once.
I am not sure if this is a joke but I like that the focus is on Goku from the start and they don’t try to pretend that it could be someone else

Well there isn’t much to go with so far but if Granolah did see Bardock’s human form and not just his Great Ape form he would have a special reason to dislike Goku.

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Post by GodVegetto91 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:28 pm

Gogeta SSJ Blue wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:10 pm
GodVegetto91 wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:02 pm
Gogeta SSJ Blue wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:53 pm Curiously, Vegeta seems to be bothered by Goku attaining UI against Whis!

So, hopefully he will train to reach it too!

Or will he still remain with his SSBE unique transformation?

What is your opinion about that?
I REALLY want Vegeta to get Ultra Instinct! I don’t care what anyone says! I don’t want another bullshit powerup like SSJ Blue 3 or GT’s bs SSJ4 or anything like that nonsense. I don’t see what fans see in that. Nothing beats the divine elegance and awesome style of Ultra Instinct!😎
I totally agree with you!

He really deserves to have it too, at least at this point.

It was already during quite some time an exclusive to Goku.

But how and when do you think he will finally attain it?
Vegeta not only trained under Whis for longer than Goku has.. But he now as acquired even more Spirit Control than Goku did on Yardrat!

And before Vegeta came to Planet Yardrat, his Spirit Control level was truly pathetic, despite having trained with Whis.. But now, it’s truly impressive! Being able to sense things from so far ahead, even Goku can’t sense it!

If anything, Vegeta DESERVES to attain the ultimate state of the Gods - Ultra Instinct!!!

I think he will achieve it by the end of this Arc through one way or another..

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Post by Gogeta SSJ Blue » Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:39 pm

GodVegetto91 wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:28 pm
Gogeta SSJ Blue wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:10 pm
GodVegetto91 wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:02 pm
I REALLY want Vegeta to get Ultra Instinct! I don’t care what anyone says! I don’t want another bullshit powerup like SSJ Blue 3 or GT’s bs SSJ4 or anything like that nonsense. I don’t see what fans see in that. Nothing beats the divine elegance and awesome style of Ultra Instinct!😎
I totally agree with you!

He really deserves to have it too, at least at this point.

It was already during quite some time an exclusive to Goku.

But how and when do you think he will finally attain it?
Vegeta not only trained under Whis for longer than Goku has.. But he now as acquired even more Spirit Control than Goku did on Yardrat!

And before Vegeta came to Planet Yardrat, his Spirit Control level was truly pathetic, despite having trained with Whis.. But now, it’s truly impressive! Being able to sense things from so far ahead, even Goku can’t sense it!

If anything, Vegeta DESERVES to attain the ultimate state of the Gods - Ultra Instinct!!!

I think he will achieve it by the end of this Arc through one way or another..
Vegeta truly had an immense grown as a character on my opinion in the Moro arc.

And is now much more prepared to attain Ultra Instinct than he ever was, without any doubt!

I simply hope he attains it rather sooner than later...

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Post by Kinokima » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:00 pm

Gogeta SSJ Blue wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:39 pm
GodVegetto91 wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:28 pm
Gogeta SSJ Blue wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:10 pm

I totally agree with you!

He really deserves to have it too, at least at this point.

It was already during quite some time an exclusive to Goku.

But how and when do you think he will finally attain it?
Vegeta not only trained under Whis for longer than Goku has.. But he now as acquired even more Spirit Control than Goku did on Yardrat!

And before Vegeta came to Planet Yardrat, his Spirit Control level was truly pathetic, despite having trained with Whis.. But now, it’s truly impressive! Being able to sense things from so far ahead, even Goku can’t sense it!

If anything, Vegeta DESERVES to attain the ultimate state of the Gods - Ultra Instinct!!!

I think he will achieve it by the end of this Arc through one way or another..
Vegeta truly had an immense grown as a character on my opinion in the Moro arc.

And is now much more prepared to attain Ultra Instinct than he ever was, without any doubt!

I simply hope he attains it rather sooner than later...
I wouldn’t get your hopes up

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Post by ZodiacBeast » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:15 pm

It would be neat if Vegeta's new level of power granted to him by Spirit Control had given him an aura or eyes, etc. similar to Ultra Instinct. Kinda like making Veggie a little distinct and showing how much he'd grown but not giving him UI in the Moro arc.

I dunno, just theorizing if Spirit Control could be tied to Ultra Instinct...somehow. Even if it just makes it easier to obtain.

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Post by GodVegetto91 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:32 pm

ZodiacBeast wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:15 pm It would be neat if Vegeta's new level of power granted to him by Spirit Control had given him an aura or eyes, etc. similar to Ultra Instinct. Kinda like making Veggie a little distinct and showing how much he'd grown but not giving him UI in the Moro arc.

I dunno, just theorizing if Spirit Control could be tied to Ultra Instinct...somehow. Even if it just makes it easier to obtain.
100% agreed! The manga version of SSBE SUCKS!!!! It has no visible pupils, no fully formed eyes.. Nothing! Unlike the awesome Anime version which DOES have it!

The Anime version of SSBE looks WAY better than the manga version!

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Post by Tai Lung » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:50 pm

sunsetshimmer wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:17 am
Tai Lung wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:03 pm vegeta achieved it through training ... beerus and toppo have god ki without the need for a ritual

with ssj4 in the first instance ...
why does ro kaioshin know that? Why didn't he suggest it with super buu?
It seems that none of them knew what was going to happen ... since Goku went with the idea that simply making his tail grow was enough ...
ro kaioshin doesn't even think about "Blutz Waves" ...
How is it possible that the ozaru can be combined with the ssj when them are 2 different transformations ...
when did goku learn to control the ozaru? .. never
baby vegeta went through the same process and did not transform into ssj4 etc etc

it was all a set of improvisations very poorly put together
It was clearly explained that Baby's cells were the reason why Vegeta couldn't go SSJ4 before despite having control over Oozaru.
They were implying that you need to be pure blood to go SSJ4, even though DBH doesn't seem to follow that, but that's DBH.

The reason why old kaioshin didn't say anything about it during Buu saga is probably because they weren't strong enough as it was also suggested you need certain power level to reach SSJ4.

Also:
How is it possible that the ozaru can be combined with the ssj when them are 2 different transformations
The same way SS Blue is SSG + SS making the dumbest named transformation aka. SSGSS
the difference is that both are in the same "group" ssj ... and since the ssj god as such is only to obtain "god ki" that any race can have with a training ... it was explained that goku and vegeta trained this as they explains it
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Post by Gogeta SSJ Blue » Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:14 pm

Kinokima wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:00 pm
Gogeta SSJ Blue wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:39 pm
GodVegetto91 wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:28 pm
Vegeta not only trained under Whis for longer than Goku has.. But he now as acquired even more Spirit Control than Goku did on Yardrat!

And before Vegeta came to Planet Yardrat, his Spirit Control level was truly pathetic, despite having trained with Whis.. But now, it’s truly impressive! Being able to sense things from so far ahead, even Goku can’t sense it!

If anything, Vegeta DESERVES to attain the ultimate state of the Gods - Ultra Instinct!!!

I think he will achieve it by the end of this Arc through one way or another..
Vegeta truly had an immense grown as a character on my opinion in the Moro arc.

And is now much more prepared to attain Ultra Instinct than he ever was, without any doubt!

I simply hope he attains it rather sooner than later...
I wouldn’t get your hopes up
I won't, but someday, he might attain it...

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Post by EGonzo » Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:22 pm

I really hope Bardock wasn't just a cameo, because that's one of the few ways Goku can still grow as a character. He already accepted his Saiyan name, so the next step could be to learn about his Saiyan ancestry beyond "you are a Saiyan", and maybe learn of his parents and stuff

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Post by Grimlock » Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:30 am

I was thinking, it might be just a cameo after all. In the next chapter, we only see that character's dream, at best revealing that he saw Bardock's base form and that's it. But we won't get to see more of that concept until he meets Goku, which might take some time/a few chapters in.

Well, at least that's what I hope if all we can see in the next chapter turns out to be just a cameo/brief stuff.

Besides agreeing with what you said, I'm also digging the idea of Goku having to atone for his father's sin. An issue that hasn't been tackled yet. And here I thought nothing more could be done with Goku, but there's still stuff related to his father, of course. Certainly something has to be done between those two, even if no one will ever make them meet each other.

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Post by emperior » Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:49 am

Goku being confronted directly with the sins of his biological father would be interesting. He shouldn’t care much and has already said that Saiyans got what they deserved, but it would be interesting nonetheless to have someone point out to him the terror his father generated.

It’s even more ironic because that same murderer was the one who eventually saved his life, and did so to save someone once in his life after having killed so many innocents.

Maybe the arc will explore more about how Saiyans carried out their genocides. This is actually the first time we see Saiyans doing their dirty work in canon, outside of the scenes in Minus!
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